Sukhoi Su-30MKI

[Gautam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884197790072668471

 

[Gautam]

 

[Rajput Lion]

There is this belief that 4+ gen fighters can't take on 5th gen fighters at all. I've always said that MKI UPG. will be able to counter Chinese VLO fighters and debated with @randomradio & @Parthu before regarding this topic.

Now a very interesting thing drops out from Pentagon's annual report. As per official Pentagon report, F-15 EX has successfully countered 5th gen fighters in test. Look at this:

The F-15EX has so far impressed in simulated combat, even against fifth-generation threats, although new enemy long-range missiles could prove a challenge

And read this whole report: F-15EX Nails Pentagon Test Campaign, Survivability Concerns Remain


Now, what does F-15EX countering VLO mean for us? Simply, if USAF, the biggest user of VLO jets is praising and admitting that F-15EX successfully countered VLO jets in test then our MKI will do that too. MKI UPG. will have bigger/better sensors than even the EX and equally good sensor fusion plus it'll also work with CCAs.

All-in-all, the above report bodes quite well for our future.

 

[randomradio]

There is this belief that 4+ gen fighters can't take on 5th gen fighters at all. I've always said that MKI UPG. will be able to counter Chinese VLO fighters and debated with @randomradio & @Parthu before regarding this topic.

Now a very interesting thing drops out from Pentagon's annual report. As per official Pentagon report, F-15 EX has successfully countered 5th gen fighters in test. Look at this:



And read this whole report: F-15EX Nails Pentagon Test Campaign, Survivability Concerns Remain


Now, what does F-15EX countering VLO mean for us? Simply, if USAF, the biggest user of VLO jets is praising and admitting that F-15EX successfully countered VLO jets in test then our MKI will do that too. MKI UPG. will have bigger/better sensors than even the EX and equally good sensor fusion plus it'll also work with CCAs.

All-in-all, the above report bodes quite well for our future.

I read the report. It just says EPAWSS performed well against threat radars. Maybe it could passively locate modern radars enough to cue weapons. That's about it.

Plus "surrogate" fifth gen aircraft simply means 4th gen jets pretending to be 5th gen. It doesn't mean the F-15 could defeat VLO.

 

[Rajput Lion]

I read the report. It just says EPAWSS performed well against threat radars. Maybe it could passively locate modern radars enough to cue weapons. That's about it.

Plus "surrogate" fifth gen aircraft simply means 4th gen jets pretending to be 5th gen. It doesn't mean the F-15 could defeat VLO.

"Surrogate" 5th gen adversary aircraft could definitely mean that or F-35 mimicking Su-57s/J-20s. Now F-35As have been part of aggressors too for sometime.

Look at this report: With a new unit and F-35s, US Air Force 'aggressors' are trying to replicate the latest threat posed by China.

Some quotes:

Prior to the ceremony, Gen. Mark Kelly, who oversees the organization, training, and maintenance of combat-ready units as head of Air Combat Command, flew an F-15E against the first F-35 assigned to the 65th Squadron, which was piloted by the squadron's new commander, Lt. Col. Brandon Nauta.

F-15E vs F-35

Another quote:

Precisely because we have this credible threat, when we do replicate a fifth-gen adversary, it has to be done professionally. That's the Aggressors," Kelly added. The 65th Aggressor Squadron flew F-15s out of Nellis from 2005 to 2014. After its deactivation, the 64th Aggressor Squadron, which flies F-16s, continued the mission. In 2019, Air Force officials announced plans to reactivate the 65th Squadron and assign it F-35As in order to help prepare pilots for "the high-end fight."

So gone are the days of ONLY F-16s mimicking Su-57s. Now PLAAF being their primary threat, F-35A aggressors are mimicking J-20s as Gen. Mark Kelly alluded as far back from 2022.

Look at this image from the same article:

F-15s have been training against such "surrogate" 5th gen adversary jets since long.

Anyways, here is the actual screenshot of the real report:

In my opinion, the surrogate 5th gen adversary aircraft is nothing but F-35A aggressor. But if you believe that it was an F-16 mimicking a 5th gen then both Gen. Mark Kelly and I politely disagree

 

[randomradio]

"Surrogate" 5th gen adversary aircraft could definitely mean that or F-35 mimicking Su-57s/J-20s. Now F-35As have been part of aggressors too for sometime.

Look at this report: With a new unit and F-35s, US Air Force 'aggressors' are trying to replicate the latest threat posed by China.

Some quotes:



F-15E vs F-35

Another quote:



So gone are the days of ONLY F-16s mimicking Su-57s. Now PLAAF being their primary threat, F-35A aggressors are mimicking J-20s as Gen. Mark Kelly alluded as far back from 2022.

Look at this image from the same article:

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F-15s have been training against such "surrogate" 5th gen adversary jets since long.

Anyways, here is the actual screenshot of the real report:

View attachment 40190

In my opinion, the surrogate 5th gen adversary aircraft is nothing but F-35A aggressor. But if you believe that it was an F-16 mimicking a 5th gen then both Gen. Mark Kelly and I politely disagree

F-35 is not a surrogate 5th gen, it's 5th gen itself. An F-35 replicating a J-20 is something else.