Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

[_Anonymous_]

The exact specs of the Pakistani HQ-19 are yet to be revealed. You can expect a lot of fud around it in the days to come.
If the system can intercept IRBM-class targets, I'd imagine any sale would be restricted under MTCR. Maybe this is an export version with downgraded capabilities?

It just struck me the Chinese must be on the horns of a dilemma. Pass on the best weapons in their arsenal to India be it the HQ-19 or the J-35 & they risk a few things namely -

1.) risk being exposed once again for supplying junk but get an insight into how India'd prosecute its wars against China

2.) assuming they do get the better of India , that'd prompt India to go back to the drawing board & modenize aggressively which you don't want if you intend to go up against India later this decade

3.) then there's this obvious risk of avoiding the prying eyes of the US for let's face it this is Paxtan we're talking about where everything is for sale & everyone has a price.

 

[Hydra]

The exact specs of the Pakistani HQ-19 are yet to be revealed. You can expect a lot of fud around it in the days to come.
If the system can intercept IRBM-class targets, I'd imagine any sale would be restricted under MTCR. Maybe this is an export version with downgraded capabilities?

Its up to the exporter to follow MTCR restrictions or not.

 

[South block]

The exact specs of the Pakistani HQ-19 are yet to be revealed. You can expect a lot of fud around it in the days to come.
If the system can intercept IRBM-class targets, I'd imagine any sale would be restricted under MTCR. Maybe this is an export version with downgraded capabilities?

HQ-9 was hyped the same.... Doesn't turned out good for Pakistani.... Indian SRBM & IRBM are not the same what countries like Iran & Pakistani uses. They are much more sophisticated & have better countermeasure to avoid being intercepted by such systems..... HQ-19 ain't intercepting Agni-1P.

 

[Speedster1]

It just struck me the Chinese must be on the horns of a dilemma. Pass on the best weapons in their arsenal to India be it the HQ-19 or the J-35 & they risk a few things namely

1.) risk being exposed once again for supplying junk but get an insight into how India'd prosecute its wars against China

Strangely, the Pakistanis had showed no interest in BMD till date. They apparently thought BMD systems are easily saturated. I think it's China upping the ante vs India with this deal. So they must thought through all the risks you mention and decided it was worth it.

HQ-19 is a THAAD class, high-end system that will likely feed into China's own BMD network. That complicates things for us.

HQ-19 made its debut at Zhuhai just last year so it's a brand new system. We'll have to see how it stacks up in real world conditions.

2.) assuming they do get the better of India , that'd prompt India to go back to the drawing board & modenize aggressively which you don't want if you intend to go up against India later this decade

HQ-19 will probably struggle against HCM and HGVs. But it's probably time for India to fit RF/IR decoys (like Russia's Iskander) and/or anti radiation RVs to our BMs. We'll need to build a lot more BMs now for redundancy.

3.) then there's this obvious risk of avoiding the prying eyes of the US for let's face it this is Paxtan we're talking about where everything is for sale & everyone has a price.

Judging from the number of top military officers who've vanished overnight in China off late, the Americans probably have all the data they could've asked for.

Chinese Scientist Defects to U.S. Carrying Hypersonic Weapons Secrets

Chinese Scientist Defects to U.S. Carrying Hypersonic Weapons Secrets

www.defensemirror.com

 

[Speedster1]

HQ-9 was hyped the same.... Doesn't turned out good for Pakistani.... Indian SRBM & IRBM are not the same what countries like Iran & Pakistani uses. They are much more sophisticated & have better countermeasure to avoid being intercepted by such systems..... HQ-19 ain't intercepting Agni-1P.

A lot of the specs have not been revealed. We'll probably get more info by the next Zhuhai air show.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Strangely, the Pakistanis had showed no interest in BMD till date. They apparently thought BMD systems are easily saturated. I think it's China upping the ante vs India with this deal. So they must thought through all the risks you mention and decided it was worth it.

BMD are crown jewels . Nobody's going to give them to you . You either develop them or pay good money to get a down graded model.Paxtan has neither the industrial know-how nor the base for it & certainly no money to pay for it either.

We ought to up the ante too. Inform the Chinese they go ahead with this sale , we reciprocate in Taiwan. Else be prepared for the slant eyes to keep upping the ante from now to 2030.

HQ-19 is a THAAD class, high-end system that will likely feed into China's own BMD network. That complicates things for us.

We've still no confirmation from the Chinese. It's only the Paxtanis who're yapping. That doesn't mean it isn't happening. Just that we've no confirmation from the Chinese. Could be they're testing the waters vis a vis India by getting the Paxtanis to comment.

HQ-19 made its debut at Zhuhai just last year so it's a brand new system. We'll have to see how it stacks up in real world conditions.

They'd be getting a downgraded model with Chinese operators under their protection.

HQ-19 will probably struggle against HCM and HGVs. But it's probably time for India to fit RF/IR decoys (like Russia's Iskander) and/or anti radiation RVs to our BMs. We'll need to build a lot more BMs now for redundancy.

We aren't going to deploy the HCM & HGVs before 2032 at least. Lots of testing pending. Then our laborious certification & excruciatingly painful procurement process will kick in .

We need to build everything in the tens of thousands from CMs to BMs to Drones to LMs to Rockets - Guided & Unguided to TBMs to ABM to SAMs to MANPADS - shoulder & tri pod mounted & so on .

Wrote about it 3 years ago then followed up by creating a thread on war gaming between India & China.

Judging from the number of top military officers who've vanished overnight in China off late, the Americans probably have all the data they could've asked for.

Chinese Scientist Defects to U.S. Carrying Hypersonic Weapons Secrets

Chinese Scientist Defects to U.S. Carrying Hypersonic Weapons Secrets

www.defensemirror.com

Lot of purges happening too ostensibly for corruption.