LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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AI can't tell the difference between right and wrong info, and most definitely cannot analyze using clues.
It's fine for fact-checking established and proven things, but not for things that are still happening or yet to happen.
This is a lesson that if you are dependent on other nations for LRUs and other subsystem level components for your prototypes then that is definitely going to have an impact on the readiness of the prototype.
I seriously wonder why we went ahead with importing the IRST module when DRDO's indigenously designed & developed IRST was there.
IMO, if you look at the pattern, most major milestones in Indian public sector companies seem to be planned around the financial year-end. Because of that, expecting major progress from HAL in the middle of the year may be unrealistic. If the IAF does not accept the LCA Mk1A by the financial year-end, it could turn into a deadlock between the HAL and IAF leadership. Hope the MoD is looking into the matter.
The thing is HAL cannot book revenue until aircraft start getting delivered.
As of May 2026, they have completed roughly 30 LCA Mk1A, and going by a rough estimate of Rs.450-500 crore per aircraft, that is already Rs.13,500 - 15,000 crore in unbooked revenue and eventually HAL will struggle in paying back its suppliers for which it's dependent on the final assembly of the LCA, and their stock as a result will bear the brunt.
Honestly, I don't think much has changed for LCA Mk2.
DRDO Chief said first flight in mid-2026, but he probably meant roll-out. And if HAL says first flight by March 2027, it makes sense that there will be roll-out and taxi trials for a few months, at least 6 months. So even if it's delayed from end 2026 to early 2027, it's overall just a delay of a few months.
yeah it happens every few years to few decades, nothing new about it.
yeah as long there are bakra tax payers whose govt keeps giving tenders to HAL there is nothing to worry about stock price.
I have seen school kids come up with better rebuttals, this ain't X mate.
The point I was trying to make is that unless HAL delivers the said aircraft to the IAF, they cannot book any revenue and as time progresses, the amount of aircraft stored up at their facilities across Bengaluru and Nashik is only going to increase.
They have already accumulated close to Rs.15,000 crore in unbooked revenue due to a variety of factors, and adding more and more to this ever increasing backlog isn't sustainable to them.
They also need to pay their suppliers, most of them are Pvt MSMEs who will stop doing their work if they don't get paid.
They are monopoly as such it is a guaranteed revenue if not today they get paid later, there will be zero penalty. For private companies there is a floor plan cost which they need end up paying for vehicles idling on the lots, no such thing for our govt PSU's. As such it will be creative accounting at the end of the day for these PSU's, they will just book the revenue for next year. It will not have much impact on stock price.
At the end of the day we taxpayers end up ponying for the inefficiency of the PSU and their masters, Govt. Frankly govt companies should not allowed to list, bcos govt will eventually bail them out or artificially pump up the price by asking LIC to buy its share. It is just another way to steal from public.
I don't know why anyone thinks HAL isn't in most hurry to deliver the aircraft, more than anyone in this cycle. It's the only way they get paid, it's the only way to protect their reputation.
But what are they going to do if the user won't accept the aircrafts, acceptable given signed requirements are not filled, or some new requirements are asked for
I never believed the previous dates because the prototype wasn't even in assembly at that point.
This year, the prototype is at its final stage of assembly. So it's only a matter of months, not years.
HAL has to absorb costs themselves.
The lesson is not to trust these people with timelines.
UTTAM is fully Indian, who are we going to blame delays of it? martians ?.
One has to be serious dumbass to call indian IRST is "ready".
DRDO made a rational choice to import because they knew very well that it would take a long time to be ready. Imagine fully betting on UTTAM 5 years ago. Today, at least they can blame third-party proven radar for integration delays.
It's a DPSU and a monopoly. Everyone's job is secure regardless of how the company is perceived. The user has no choice but to come back again, regardless of the shoddy workmanship or even the risk of loss of life, because it is a monopoly.
What reputation?
First time I'm hearing of an imported IRST for LCA Mk2.
Nah, it's getting DRDO's IRST and MAWS.
Looks like the Internet making sh!t up as usual.
That is no reason to hold the prototype that is primarily for flight testing. They could've gone for a dummy IRST with equivalent weight distribution rather than waiting for an imported one.
This would've been a valid thing had they been using the IRST from day-1 which isn't the case at all.
It's likely fake news. Any attempt at searching for this throws me in the direction of Pirate. There's no contract for it.
DRDO once said they are developing an IRST and it works like Pirate. It appears someone's decided to think it means we are buying Pirate. Even some search results throw statements like DRDO's IRST is designed around Pirate, which doesn't make sense 'cause we don't have access to it.
Anyway, if DRDO IRST isn't ready, there's no need to import one just for prototypes. They can simply use ballast until it is ready. An import is necessary only if the goal is to deliver the jets with IRST.
You mean to tell me that DRDO developed IRST system which was showcased first at Aero India 2025 isn't ready?
This IRST system was only unveiled to the general public after having successfully completed flight testing and a industry partner having been selected.
Now there were also reports that for the Tejas Mk2 prototypes, the IRST unit was sourced from Russia, and the delivery of this system was delayed which is holding up prototype completion.
The workmanship on the Tejas Mk1A is anything but shoddy.
The fit and finish on that thing is leagues ahead of any Russian platform.
Now, you are a special kind of stupid to make this kind of comment even after spending all these years on the forum.
Showcasing first time on aero india doesnt mean squat. UTTAM was shown in 2017, i was there. Its not "ready" even today after 9 years.
BrahMos-NG was displayed previously, but they have not started test firing yet.
I have not heard of sourcing IRST from russia, must be some clickbait source according to your standard. Thank you for wasting time.