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SAAB Gripen : Updates and Discussions
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BVR-X: The Gripen E conducts its first live-fire exercise with the Meteor missile in Brazil
BVR-X: el Gripen E ejecuta en Brasil su primera campaña de tiro real con el misil Meteor
Firma: LeonardoEl objetivo principal del ejercicio ha sido probar la capacidad del F-39 Gripen para disparar el misil aire-aire de largo alcance Meteor en escenarios de fuego real y avanzar ...
Not bad. Gripen E is turning out to be a huge success. 20 out of 150 for Ukraine, 60 more for Canada. And 120+ already ordered or in the process with more expected.
Comfortably exceeds LCA Mk2's potential orderbook by at least two times.
Nice cannon fodder for Su-57/35/30SM2.
?? MK2 is still in its design phase, so any comparison with an operational jet is completely unwarranted. MK2 order book will completely overwhem Gripen E, once it becomes ready. Mark it.
Gripen e is superior to su35/sm2 by miles(gan aesa + meteor)
Yeah, but i dont think that it will get any export orders in 2032 onwards.
Just GaN AESA and Meteor won't make them superior to Super Flankers. With R-37M & R-77M, backed by Russian IADS, Gripen E would become toast even before it could muster a fight. Also don't forget that Russia now has over 50 Su-57s. A tag-team of Su-57 with 35S/SM2 would be even harder for Gripen E to overcome.
Rafale would be a far tougher target but eventually it will be crushed by Super Flankers and Su-57 too.
Our indigenous order book will far overwhelm them.
I cannot comment on the air combat aspects. However, most folks would agree that 20 FAs will not make much of a difference when it comes to the Ru-Ukr war.
Also, another thing to note here: The first batch of 16 donated Saab JAS 39 Gripen C/D fighter jets is scheduled to arrive in Ukraine in early 2027.
Also, another thing to note here: The first batch of 16 donated Saab JAS 39 Gripen C/D fighter jets is scheduled to arrive in Ukraine in early 2027.
Off topic but i dont understand how rafale(even with gan) is far superior or say even superior to gripen e in a2a ?
Both have enough meteor, enough endurance, gan radar(similar tr module count) , equally capable ew suit.
gripen was not passed mmrca because they have not even had first flight of gripen e and gripen c/d was just same as tejas mk1
yeah , agree on this, we might eventually order over 200
Nope. Rafale is a high-end twin-engined omni role Air Superiority Fighter while Gripen E is low-end in comparison. It means that Rafale's acceleration, climb rate, max ceiling, top speed, weapons load and range are far higher than Gripen E. Rafale's SPECTRA is also better than their Arexis. Just because Gripen E is using GaN AESA & ECM, doesn't make it superior to Rafale.
Rafale would represent the highest level of threat to both Russian fighters and their GBAD sans F-35. But Russians have updated and refined their air-combat doctrine to nullify any advantage Rafale would have. R-37M is the biggest game-changer. The Super Flankers would zoom climb to 21kms altitude and release it at Mach 1.5, increasing its effective range to almost 450kms. Rafale, may try to fly low and fast, but R-37M would still catch it.
And I haven't brought Su-57 in the above scenario yet. If you include it, Rafale has no other option than to retreat or get effed. F-35 acquisition by Ukraine is their ONLY counter against a growing fleet of Su-57 and not any 4th/4.5gen fighter. With the latter, at best it would be a stalemate and at worst total annihilation of UkAF.
Absolutely and even in terms of export, MK2 has better chance of succeeding than MK1A.
I’m told, the USG has made it clear that if the CDN gov reneges on the contract signed by the Trudeau gov in Jan 2023 to purchase 88 x F35A’s in 4 batches, in order to buy a number of Gripen E’s, then 3 things will happen quickly.
1. LM with the full backing of the USG will launch a lawsuit to recover lost funds. When the Chrétien gov did the same thing with EH101 purchase, the CDN gov paid AgustaWestland nearly $1 billion in compensation.
2. CDN based businesses that exist solely to provide various components for the 3 variants of the F35 will have their future parts orders cut by 50%. This will cost them roughly $1.5 billion in revenue.
3. The USG will notify Saab & the Gov of Canada, that they will veto the export permit for the GE F414 engine, making any sale of the Gripen E to Canada impossible. The Biden admin, threatened this when the sale of the Gripen E to Columbia was announced, the Trump admin followed through with the threat & formally vetoed the use of the engine, which killed the deal. When the Columbia challenge occurred Saab engineers looked at the cost of using a Rolls Royce engine & concluded it would add $3-5 million USD to the flyaway cost to each Gripen E & add 5-8 years to the delivery timeframe while the airframe was modified & new testing & certification was completed.
Last point, the RCAF has made clear their position, 1 fighter jet & the best option is the F35A, why exactly should short term politics play a roll in a $20 billion dollar purchase that will not be finalized until long after Trump is not just out of office but likely deceased.
Perhaps they should just honour the contract they signed just 3 years ago & as recommended by the very people who risk their lives using the aircraft, no?
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Of all the things mentioned, the engine veto is the one most likely to kill the deal, if employed.
The usual American fighter trap. Lol. You are screwed if you have them and even if you don't
.The engine ban threat is why we need to work with the French to have a GE414 class engine of our own. The Americans could screw us just like that once we head out to export MK2(MK1A is trapped for life
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Dunno about Su-57, but Gripen E and LCA Mk2 have been designed to consistent beat Flankers and Eagles. And the Chinese agree.
150+60+120 = already at 330
Brazil plans 120 overall, so real number will soon be over 400.
LCA Mk2 at max is 200 for the IAF. And once developed, will have to compete with Gripen E and F-50.
Gripen E is a post-war option at the current rate. They plan to get up to 150 jets overall.
No chance for Gripen E or Rafale here.
Chinese pitted old J-11s against Thai Air Force' Gripen C, where Gripen dominated the BVR owing to lower RCS and stronger radar while J-11s owned the WVR regime.
Against Su-35S/Su-30SM2, that have far far stronger PESA radar, very powerful ECM and very strong engines along with much lower RCS than those old Chinese J-11s, Gripen E has no chance especially when R-37M is put in the fray. Twin-engined jets have far better operational ceiling and kinematics than these single-engined ones allowing the Russian Super Flankers to fly higher and faster, imparting more energy into their BVR shots, thereby putting the enemy on the defensive.
LCA MK2 will beat that.
Saab's global eyse along with Gripen will be a deadly combo. Its reported detection range is 650 km for Gripen. With that detection range, Gripen can fire missiles at safe distance or runaway from the scenes. I don't think any of the flankers will have that luxury.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil @Rajput Lion
What sorcery had done by sweedish people? 650 km detection range for air target for a tiny aews. Not even USA or Israel have such capability
Our netra MK2 will have 500km i think.
I dont want PAF operating Globaleye during round. If they want they can field multiple global eyes such a way that it will be out of S400's range yet will be able to cover entire Pak airspace and few hundred kilometers in to our land.
Agree, @Rajput Lion unnecessarily give too much imp to kinematics and hence is organically baised toward flankers and twin engine rafale.
Modern warfare is more electronics heavy than kinematic heavy
I too believe that even tejas mk1a will kick the *censored* of su35 in a2a when it will get astra mk2/3
Both radars are pretty much at the same level. 650 km is the instrumented range, that's the max range it's expected to deliver results to operators. It means if a target is at 649 or 650 km, it will display the target on the console. If the target is at 651 km, it removes the target from the display. Actual radar performance is much lower than that.