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I have an unconfirmed news of a rather strange nature.

It seems that the Pakistanis were told over a 'friendly chat' by 'well wishers' that should Pakistan choose to expand conflict with India, Nuclear option was a no go without Pakistan being bombed back to stone-age and then some.

No clue who said that, but multiple 'well wishers' of Pakistan told it to keep its 'exploits' limited to Social Media.

With the emerging situation, and expectation of increased Indian pressure along LC come May, and a deterioration in their Internal Security environment, the economic costs will rise exponentially. The interesting question, then, that comes to fore is 'what are Pakistan's option'?

Should it continue to play a holding game that it seems may only increase its costs or should it try to do something to make it an India-Pakistan affair?

I leave it to members to speculate on this aspect now.

I had previously asked a question on similar lines. But if this is the case, Pak Army should have hit earlier, before India got its massive military machine in place. Now with India quite well prepared there is only a single outcome that is possible.

The only probable deviation on this projection is that Pakistan will hit quick and hard, score some PR points before India can really turn the screws praying that the West will not allow India to dismember Pakistan or even decisively defeat it. Pak Army General are known to build stone bridges on feathers of hope (Op Gibraltar, Kargil etc.) and might just do it again.
 
Kashmiris aren't warlike at all. That's why the Pakistanis have had to pump in Afghan jihadi veterans from Pashtuns to Punjabis, to Uzbeks to the occasional Arabs into Kashmir to fight India. The PA is pretty derisive in their assessment of the ordinary Kashmiri's fighting abilities. The ordinary Kashmiri is known to be a crafty operator though. Something, we still haven't caught on.

I'm sure @Falcon will be able to fill in the rest here, should he choose to.
Well, pet dogs in Seattle are very very well behaved and gentle. So much that you can sometime wonder how the hell can these gentle creatures have any connection to those vicious ones on Indian streets. I used to wonder that too.... Then I visited a breeder.

The breeder told me that they don't let the aggressive dogs breed and dilute aggression over several generations.


But once in a blue moon some puppies are born which are vicious. Really vicious. And it happens in all breeds. These puppies are either put to sleep or sold to people who keep dogs for hunting or security and not just vanity.....

I just hope we can get some jucy bones and feed them half tummy. After all you don't need entire dog population to be vicious... you need few lone wolfs for a 8/8.
 
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Right now US, France, UK are puffing up India by aggressively promoting banning process of Masood Azhar at UN through the alternate route if China does not withdraw its technical hold by April 23. They may be promoting creation of a fragile pride in India by making it feel that the three veto powers are aggressively pursuing India's interest. But, as their actions speak, they go absolutely mute when actions like SCS invasion happens and allow it to happen unobstructed. Later for the world's consumption, with mutual collusion they dramatize posturing against each other by navigating via sea and by air in proximity to the islands. It's all fake show.

And when China will indeed pour men and machines in GB, these same powers will simply do lip service and celebrate seeing the two giants fight each other. India should know that it is on its own in this game.

It is, but that doesn't change my view - it will be similar to the '80s when India had a chance to stop Pakistan going nuclear and didn't - the results over the last ~3 decades are there for us all to see. We cannot allow another long term "game changer" like that to occur.
 
Why India wanted to purchase Smerch Rockets in urgent basis?

We haven't used it till now..

Do we have to indent weapons in the last minute ?
 
@Sancho [In replay to an earlier conversation]

Pakistani nuclear doctrine - Its basically first strike, they outlined multiple thresholds: Spatial, military, political etc. ie, so many reasons to use a nuclear device. Do not dare to poke us. (Also, unlike our doctrine they do not have a fully defined one. Its somewhat ambiguous )

Indian Nuclear doctrine - Its no first use with disproportionate and massive retaliation. One device use on our land or force (CSD), Pakistan will cease to exist.

Pakistani Nuclear blackmail - It means to issue a threat to the adversary and the international community with 'possible' nuclear device use. This flexibility comes from the first strike nature of nuclear forces. Which is not the case for India or China.

Pakistan used irregular radicals inside India which give them plausible deniability and nuclear blackmail give them room to control indian escalate without much cost (2001, 2008 terror attacks). The blackmail is a regular thing from the days of Kargil. Even during the last conflict, the first thing they did was to call the Nuclear Command Authority (Because IAF bombed forest apparently!). From Kargil days we were careful what we do explicitly using conventional forces because we were unsure what the thresholds are. Nuclear blackmail doesn't mean their conventional forces are incompetent. They were and are fully capable to defend themselves.

During kargil, we were using our conventional force against 'irregulars' which occupied our land. There was no nuclear factor since we didn't breach land/airspace of Pakistan. They simply didn't have any reasoning to use conventional force against us then. They were equally capable to do a retaliation like now if we would have done a balakot then.

With the surgical strike, we crossed LoC to attack terror camps which they denied. ie, no nuclear factor or need to reply using conventional forces. With Balakot, we attacked deep inside Pakistan (Unprecedented in the history of nuclear nations). Which ISPR admitted first. Thus a retaliation was warranted. How can a security state survive without the confidence of the public?. They actually failed to do the intended but got the trophy of abhinandan and the moral high ground of his release. Thus the optic was taken care of and deescalated.

Balakot changed the entire nuclear power balance of the subcontinent. It proved the nuclear umbrella has enough room to escalate without touching thresholds. It proved a terrorist strike inside india can invite direct retaliation inside Pakistan mainland. Which in turn can escalate to be consequences to not only military but also economical and diplomatically which will hurt the nation.

Few Balakot or SS are not going to deter a security state like Pakistan from using irregulars to destabilize India. It will continue to happen as long as the nation exists in its current form (ideology/military deep state). We can only increase the cost of such action to the Pakistani deep state and control it somewhat. Basically, Offensive defense.
 
within two days of start of hostilities Indian Army commanders had clearly mentioned that the nature of fire being withered down shows that they are regulars.
From the nuclear standpoint doesn't matter as long as Pakistan denies it. Just like the Surgical Strike.
 
From the nuclear standpoint doesn't matter as long as Pakistan denies it. Just like the Surgical Strike.
I am sure you have read my posts about Pak nuke capability. Even today there is no pen and the hand which will use it to sign the death warrants of 22 crore Pakistanis. You can butcher them, dismember them and yet they will not use nukes. I know very well that entire Pakistan is hostage to Pak Army and its serving and retired Generals who have built huge properties in Punjab and elsewhere. They will never risk their lives. Trust me, even if we go into Sindh tomorrow, they will only defend Punjab and nothing else.
 
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