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I'm all but certain that he has passed away.

He had gone on a long hiatus a while before his last activity and later posted on his blog that he had undergone heart surgery...my guess is that there were complications following the surgery and he unfortunately couldn't make it.

I contacted Ghazala Wahab on Twitter earlier this year (she's the editor of FORCE magazine for which PKS used to write) and this was the answer:

So yeah, I think it's safe to assume that he has passed.
Rip, he was a pretty decent guy. He will be missed.
 
>contract to HAL: US$140 million for six units of GE LM2500 for NGMV. [20~23 mil per unit]

>contract to BEL: US$250 million to supply "state-of-the-art technology" including sensors and weapons equipment for the NGMV project [40~41 mil per unit]. Here "equipment" means:
1. Weapon equipment - 4 units of brahmos🤭
2. Fire Control systems
3. Communication equipment

what a fu/cking joke is this navy......are bc gold ka toilet lagaya hai kya. How does any of this add upto US$210 million.
It would've been better to just directly import the ships. In the name of domestic shipbuilding, we just make the superstructure, everything else is imported. We pay 10 times more for the ships just to feel better about atmanirbharta, meanwhile the only indian thing in the ship is the steel. lmfao....
 
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>contract to HAL: US$140 million for six units of GE LM2500 for NGMV. [20~23 mil per unit]

>contract to BEL: US$250 million to supply "state-of-the-art technology" including sensors and weapons equipment for the NGMV project [40~41 mil per unit]. Here "equipment" means:
1. Weapon equipment - 4 units of brahmos🤭
2. Fire Control systems
3. Communication equipment

what a fu/cking joke is this navy......are bc gold ka toilet lagaya hai kya. How does any of this add upto US$210 million.
It would've been better to just directly import the ships. In the name of domestic shipbuilding, we just make the superstructure, everything else is imported. We pay 10 times more for the ships just to feel better about atmanirbharta, meanwhile the only indian thing in the ship is the steel. lmfao....
Be cautious, as "Navy is best" fanboys might not take this critique lightly. The entire naval procurement process is an absolute mess and frankly, a joke. The only truly indigenous components in Indian ships are the steel, some combat management systems, and a few secondary items like decoys. It’s been 10 years since 2014, yet there’s still no real progress on a proper Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) system. It took Project Kusha for them to even consider a Naval SAM, but they’ve essentially been asleep at the wheel for the past decade, perhaps deliberately, to keep the Barak-8 gravy train rolling. Not even an attempt has been made to improve its range with a larger booster.


There's still no news on a Vertical Launch System (VLS) capable of firing a combination of four Short Range SAMs and one Long Range SAM. The so-called VL-SRSAM program feels like a disjointed effort with no grand vision to integrate it into something like a Universal VLS (UVLS). It’s been 4 or 5 years since that radar was spotted on the experimental ship, and they’re dragging their feet like it’s some never-ending chai-samosa break. There’s absolutely no sense of urgency. After all, why jeopardize the lucrative Israeli radar gravy train that costs a fortune to import? Now, these clowns are doubling down on yet another ridiculous stunt by importing the Mogami-class UNICORN mast without even trying to fund an indigenous program. Companies like Astra Microwave and others can manufacture radars—why not at least commission a feasibility study and provide funding? If it fails, then fine, consider importing. But no, they’re drooling over foreign equipment as if it’s a magic bullet against PLAN, with no genuine intent to even attempt something homegrown.


Do they even take a good look at Indian Navy ships? What’s the point of a stealth mast when the ships themselves look like a joke in terms of stealth? To justify a mast like that, you need proper shaping at the level of Zumwalt or Mogami.


Radar? Nil.
SAM? Nil.
SSM? Nil.
Integrated Radio Mast? Nil.
Main Gun? Nil.
AA Gun? Nil.
RCWS? Nil.



An utter joke of a Navy.
 
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We currently have 65 vessels under construction and 63 of them (are being built) in Indian shipyards

1. Samarthak class MPV = 02
2. Kalvari class SSK = 01
3. Visakhapatnam class DDG = 01
4. Nilgiri class FFG = 07
5. Talwar class FFG = 04
6. Mahe class ASWSWC = 08
7. Arnala class ASWSWC = 08
8. Sandhyak class SVL = 02
9. Nistar class DSV = 02
10. Diving Support Craft = 05
11. Fleet Support Ship = 05
12. Cadet Training Ship = 03
13. Next Generation OPV = 11
14. Next Generation Missile Vessel = 06

@aditya g

Now we are having the correct distribution as one Sandhayak class is already delivered to the IN.
Delivery timelines for each ship in this document.
 

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"Next Generation" OPVs by GRSE:
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

compared to Pipavav shipyard's design from 2010s:
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A pvt shipyard's design vs A PSU design for OPVs. You can see the coherence in ship design coming out of a pvt shipyard vs whatever disjointed mess the so called "Next Generation" OPVs are.

Once you take a look at the previous generation Saryu class OPVs, you might think that the design has regressed a bit.

Saryu class:
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These chai-samosa PSU workers cant innovate one bit. PSU shipyards dont exist to serve the navy, they exist to create guaranteed job employment. As long as IN shipbuilding is cornered by MDL, GRSE, GSL, etc, etc there is no hope. Pvt shipyards will need to come in. Modi govt's efforts towards privatization has fizzled out too. He's now going towards the opposite direction. God help this country.

This malaise of the entire system[retarded govt policies + govt owned shipyards] also explains why Indian navy is built up the way it is. All its frontline ships have imported subsystems including the radar/propulsion/missiles. A pvt shipyard would've started working with local companies to offer solutions on its own. But the chai-samosa workers are not concerned with these petty little things.



The perfect example of chai-samosa workers is actually the MBT program. We started licence manufacturing of Vickers Mk.1 in 1965. almost 60 yrs later, we still licence manufature foreign tanks.
 
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INDIAN NAVY YEAR END REVIEW

SHIPBUILDING PROJECTS

With over 133 ships/submarines having been built and commissioned in India to date, the Indian Navy continues to propel the domestic shipbuilding industry’s growth by supporting self-reliance in defence manufacturing. The IN remains the key pillar that supports the growth of Indian shipbuilding sector, with 63 of the 64 warships planned to be inducted in the Navy being built in India, orders for 62 more ships and submarines being in the final stages of approval, and steadfast focus on achieving higher indigenisation content across weapons, sensors and equipment.

The ships/ submarines which have been commissioned/ delivered and those scheduled for delivery this year are as follows:-

  • INS Sandhayak, the first of four Survey Vessel Large (SVL) was commissioned into the Indian Navy in the presence of Raksha Mantri in February 2024, at Visakhapatnam. Induction of the vessel has enhanced the hydrographic survey capabilities of the Navy and the Nation.
  • The second ship of SVL project, Yard 3026 (Nirdeshak), was delivered to Indian Navy by GRSE on October 08, 2024 and commissioned in the presence of Raksha Rajya Mantri on December 18, 2024.
  • The contract for construction of two ships, Addl P1135.6 FO, ex Russia, was signed on October 23, 2018 between MoD and JSC RoE. The first of the two ships, INS Tushil, was commissioned on December 09, 2024. The ship is installed with state-of-the-art weapon and sensors and would significantly enhance the combat capability of the Indian Navy.
  • Delivery of the fourth Ship of P15B - Y12707 (Surat), being constructed at MDL, is being targeted by December 2024.
  • Seven P17A ships are at various stages of construction, with four ships being built at M/s MDL and three ships at M/s GRSE. Delivery of the first ship, Nilgiri, is planned in December 2024.
  • The sixth and final submarine of Kalvari class (Vaghsheer) is planned to be delivered in December 2024.
  • The first ASW SWC, Arnala, is at advanced stage of readiness and delivery is targeted by December 2024.
  • Three 25 Tons Bollard Pull tugs, four of the eleven Ammunition Cum Torpedo Cum Missile barges and fifth of the eight Missile Cum Ammunition barges were delivered to Indian Navy in 2024 by MSME shipyards namely, Shoft Shipyard Pvt Ltd, Suryadipta Projects Pvt Ltd and SECON Engineering Projects Pvt Ltd respectively.


NAVAL AVIATION

  • Induction of Drishti-10 MALE RPAs marks an important addition to the Indian Navy’s RPA inventory. This technologically advanced aircraft would significantly bolster Indian Navy’s surveillance capabilities and augment Maritime Domain Awareness efforts.
  • Rotary Naval Shipborne Unmanned Aerial Systems have been inducted in the IN in early 2024. Four systems comprising two aerial vehicles have been integrated on Fleet ships and are being effectively utilised for surveillance.
  • First nine of the 24 MH 60Rs helicopters being procured by IN have been operationalised onboard Fleet ships. These multi-role helicopters have significantly bolstered IN’s Anti-Submarine Warfare capabilities. The aircraft have also participated in multinational exercises such as MALABAR, SIMBEX and MILAN 24. The first MH 60R Squadron, INAS 334, was commissioned at INS Garuda, Kochi in March 2024.


OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS/ EXERCISES

  • Mission Based Deployments: The Indian Navy (IN) undertook Mission Based Deployments in Areas of Interest in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to safeguard national maritime interests and maintain continuous/ near continuous presence in the areas of maritime significance in the IOR. IN ships and aircraft were regularly deployed in the Gulf of Oman/Persian Gulf, Gulf of Aden/Red Sea, South and Central IOR, off Sunda Strait, Andaman Sea/ approaches to Malacca Strait and Northern Bay of Bengal. These deployments aligned with the larger GoI vision of 'Security And Growth for All in the Region (SAGAR)', whereby enhanced Maritime Domain Awareness, swift Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) assistance to IOR littorals, security to Indian and international maritime community were ensured, and operational engagements with friendly navies through capability development and capacity building programmes were facilitated.
  • Anti-Piracy Patrol in Gulf of Aden (Op PoG): Anti-Piracy Patrol in Gulf of Aden commenced in 2008 to ensure safe passage of Indian Flagged Merchant Vessels, and 127 IN ships have since been deployed in the Gulf of Aden. In addition, IN commenced deployments to counter piracy off the West Coast of Africa, in Gulf of Guinea, since 2022. Over the last year, the Indian Navy has successfully conducted six Anti-Piracy operations, saving 120 lives.
  • Maritime Security Operations: In view of the Israel-Hamas conflict, the Indian Navy commenced Maritime Security Operations. The high tempo of operational deployments of IN assets continues to be maintained, with a close watch on Indian Flagged Merchant Vessels and vessels carrying critical commodities for India. Over the last one year, in response to Houthi shipping attacks, and rising incidents of piracy in the Western Arabian Sea, the Indian Navy has deployed over 30 ships in the region and has responded to over 25 incidents. The credible and swift actions of IN saved more than 400 lives, irrespective of the nationality of the crew. As of November 2024, IN has safely escorted over 230 Merchant Vessels, carrying over 90 Lakh Metric Tons of cargo, valued at over Four Billion USD. IN efforts have garnered international/ national acclaim, consolidating its position as a ‘Preferred Security Partner’ and ‘First Responder’.
  • Response to Maritime Incidents: Mission deployed unit(s) in Gulf of Aden (GoA) and adjoining seas have responded to numerous maritime incidents with resolve and alacrity. Salient operations undertaken/ assistance provided include with respect to MV Ruen; MV Lila Norfolk; MV Marlin Luanda; MV True Confidence.
  • Anti-Narcotics Operations: Over the last three years, 13 Anti-Narcotics Operations have been undertaken by the IN, resulting in seizure of narcotics worth about Rs 35,000 crore. In February 2024, an IN Ship seized the largest ever consignment (by quantity) amounting to 3,300 kgs of narcotics in northern Arabian Sea. In April 2024, IN Ship deployed for Focussed Operations Crimson Barracuda seized about 940 kgs of contraband from a Fishing Vessel in South Western Arabian Sea. In November 2024, IN ship again apprehended another vessel and seized over 750 kgs of narcotics.
  • MILAN - 2024: MILAN 2024 was conducted at/off Visakhapatnam from February 19-27, 2024. This year’s edition was conducted at an unprecedented scale, involving participation of over 36 ships, two submarines, 55 aircraft and senior leadership of 47 friendly countries from six continents.
  • P8I Deployment in North Sector: P8I aircraft of Indian Navy was deployed in Northern Sector for surveillance on various occasions in support of Army/Air Force taskings. The deployments enhanced inter-service operability and jointmanship.
  • Twin Carrier Operations: IN’s carriers participated in MILAN 2024 and twin carrier operations were conducted off Goa in March 2024 on the sidelines of the first edition of the biannual Commanders’ Conference. These operations have been a potent demonstration of IN’s fast growing blue water capability and gained considerable attention from national and international media.
  • Exercise Poorvi Lehar: IN conducted Exercise Poorvi Lehar in March 2024 in multiple phases on the East Coast. The exercise was aimed at validation of procedures towards assessment of Indian Navy’s preparedness to respond to various maritime security challenges.
  • Coastal Security: Regular coastal security deployments and exercises have greatly assisted in streamlining the SOPs and enhanced interoperability with various stakeholders. Coastal security exercises Sea Vigil, Prasthan, and Op Sentinel have been conducted in 2024.
  • Navika Sagar Parikrama II - INSV Tarini: INSV Tarini, with two women officers embarked onboard, sailed from Goa on October 02, 2024 for dual handed Navika Sagar Parikrama (sailing expedition around the world). The expedition encompasses ocean sailing over 21,600 Nm in about 240 days, across four continents, three oceans and three challenging Capes. The voyage aptly highlights Nari Shakti and Atmanirbharta in sail boat construction, whilst also contributing to maritime consciousness.
  • Final Operational Clearance of INS Vikrant: INS Vikrant, the first indigenously built aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy, post-certification of aviation facilities, commenced Final Operational Clearance in January 2024. As part of the FOC, more than 750 hours of flying have been undertaken from Vikrant with various types of carrier-borne aircraft, including extensive day and night flying by fighter aircraft and all types of helicopters in the Indian Navy.


EXERCISES WITH FOREIGN NAVIES

  • Ex-Malabar: The 28th edition of Exercise MALABAR, which is a multinational maritime exercise between India, Australia, Japan and the US, was hosted by Indian Navy at/off Visakhapatnam from October 08 to 18, 2024.
  • RIMPAC: IN Ship Shivalik, P8I aircraft and team of Marine Commandos were deployed in South China Sea and Pacific Ocean from May to August 2024 for participation in the 29th edition of multinational exercise RIMPAC at/off Pearl Harbour, Hawaii, from June 27 to August 02, 2024.
  • JIMEX 24: The eighth edition of bilateral maritime exercise between the Indian Navy and the Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force, JIMEX 24, was held in Yokosuka, Japan in two phases, from June 11 to 14, 2024.
  • Ex-Indra: IN Ship Tabar participated in Exercise Indra 2024 from July 25 to August 01, 2024 with the Russian Federation Navy. The ship also took part in the Russian Navy Day celebrations at St. Petersburg, Russia.
  • Ex-Varuna: The 22nd edition of Exercise Varuna was conducted from September 01 to 04, 2024, in the Mediterranean Sea, wherein maiden P8I European detachment was undertaken at Istres, France for participation in Ex-Varuna 24.
  • IBSAMAR VIII: IN Ship Talwar participated in the India-South Africa- Brazil trilateral exercise IBSAMAR VIII at/ off Simon’s Town, South Africa, from October 10 to 16, 2024.
  • Ex-Tiger Triumph: In consonance with the established partnership between India and the US, an advanced large scale joint amphibious Tri-Service Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) Exercise between both the countries, Tiger Triumph 24, was conducted on the Eastern Seaboard of India from March 18 to 31, 2024.
  • Ex-Kakadu: IN P8I aircraft participated in multinational exercise Kakadu-24 at Darwin, Australia, from September 05 to 22, 2024.
  • Ex-Sea Dragon: IN P8I aircraft operated from Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, for the multilateral exercise Sea Dragon from January 08 to 22, 2024. The Indian P8I crew was adjudged first in the identification of tonals.


ASSISTANCE TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS

Sri Lanka


  • One IN Dornier (DO) aircraft was handed over to the Government of Sri Lanka (GoSL) on August 15, 2022 for a period of two years. An IN technical team consisting of five personnel (two officers and three sailors) has also been deputed to Sri Lanka to oversee maintenance of the aircraft. Regular training of Sri Lankan Navy (SLN) pilots on ALH operations and of SLAF and SLN crew on Dornier operations is being undertaken.
  • A Letter of Exchange was signed between GoI and GoSL for positioning one Dornier 228 Maritime Patrol Aircraft at Sri Lanka, for undertaking Maritime Surveillance and Search and Rescue operations. Dornier aircraft IN 234 has been handed over to Sri Lankan Air Force on August 27, 2024 at Kochi on yearly turnaround basis.
Maldives

  • As part of refit preparatory activities of MCGS Huravee (ex-Tarmugli; gifted by IN to MNDF), a three member IN technical delegation from Naval Dockyard (Mumbai) was deputed to Maldives from June 23 to 26, 2024 for undertaking assessment of the scope of work. Expeditious provisioning of machinery spares, including that of control systems, was undertaken to Maldives in August 2024 for sustenance of MCGS Huravee.
Mozambique

  • Two Fast Interceptor Crafts from IN inventory have been gifted to Government of Mozambique. These were transhipped onboard IN Ship Gharial to Mozambique in October 2024.
Seychelles

  • Two detachments were undertaken by the IN DO squadron from March 19 to 23, 2024 and July 17 to 21, 2024. The squadron flew several surveillance missions in areas off Seychelles.
Mauritius

  • Maiden Short Refit of MCGS Victory was conducted from October 15, 2023 to January 31, 2024. The refit of the ship was successfully completed within the promulgated timelines.
HADR & SAR OPERATIONS

  • Op Sadbhav – Typoon Yagi: IN ship Satpura was deployed to Yangon, Myanmar on September 17, 2024 to provide HADR in response to the flash floods caused by Typhoon Yagi. IN swiftly delivered 21.5 Tons of essential supplies such as medical aid, food and shelter materials.
  • Cyclone Hidaya: In the aftermath of Cyclone ‘Hidaya’, making a landfall off Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania on May 04, 2024, mission-deployed IN ship off Somalia (for anti-piracy operations) was diverted to render HADR assistance. The ship handed over HADR relief material (food, clothes and medicines) to Government of Kenya at Mombasa on May 10, 2024.
  • SAR Assistance to MV Prestige Falcon: On July 15, 2024, IN responded to provide SAR assistance towards locating and rescuing crew of Comoros Flagged Oil Tanker MV Prestige Falcon, which had capsized at about 70 nm South of Duqm, Oman (approx. 800 Nm West of Mumbai). IN ship Teg rescued nine surviving crew members (eight Indians and one Sri Lankan) and recovered mortal remains of one crew member (Indian).
  • SAR Assistance on Landslide in Karnataka: On July 16, 2024, IN diving teams ex-Karwar helped to locate and recover one missing LPG tanker from Gangaveli river in Uttar Kannada, post landslide near NH 66.
  • Disaster Relief Operations at Kerala: On July 30, 2024, IN personnel were deployed to Wayanad to render SAR assistance in the aftermath of massive landslide near Meppadi in Wayanad District, Kerala. The deployed IN personnel provided medical aid, undertook extensive SAR ops and distribution of relief material.
  • SAR Assistance in Andhra Pradesh: On September 01, 2024, IN teams were deployed at Nuziveedu town (approx. 60 km from Vijayawada and 280 km from Visakhapatnam) for SAR efforts based on the request from District Collector, Eluru District, Andhra, post incessant rains. A total of 751 civilians were rescued and 4537 Kg of relief material were distributed.
  • Food Relief at Vijayawada: During floods at Vijaywada from September 01 to 04, 2024, two ALH, two Chetak and one Dornier aircraft were deployed to the affected areas. 22 stranded individuals were rescued and more than 1000 Kg of food aid was air dropped. 10 Flood Relief Teams were also deployed to rescue citizens stranded in the flooded areas.
  • SAR Assistance in Jharkhand: IN provided SAR assistance from August 22 to 27, 2024 at Chandil Reservoir (approx 100 Km South East of Ranchi), on request of the District Administration, Seraikella-Kharsawan, Jharkhand for two seater training aircraft (Cessna VT-TAJ, with two pilots), which had reportedly crashed on August 20, 2024. Mortal remains of both the pilots were recovered and aircraft debris/ wreck were salvaged by IN team and handed over to District Administration on August 27, 2024.
WELFARE AND EMPOWERMENT

IN has taken significant steps for becoming a true gender-neutral and inclusive force, both in letter and in spirit. IN has commenced induction of women into all branches, and all avenues for career progression are now available for women in the IN. In the last two decades, newer ships have been inducted into the Navy that cater for gender specific needs of women, and their appointment onboard warships commenced from December 2020.

  • Women Officers: Women officers are inducted into the Navy through a common entrance process and are subject to uniform ‘Terms and Conditions’ of Service. Further, duties, job specifications and training for women officers is in no way different from their male counterparts. The working conditions, promotion prospects, as well as pay and allowances of women officers are also exactly the same as male officers.
  • Permanent Commission to Women Officers: SSC women officers are eligible for grant of PC. As on date, 72 women officers (excluding Medical and Dental officers) have been granted PC.
  • Women Officers Onboard Ships: Women officers are being appointed onboard warships. Currently, 44 women officers are deployed on afloat billets.
  • Naval Air Operations Officers on Helicopters: Women NAO officers have been appointed as specialist NAO officers to shipborne helicopter flights.
  • RPA Stream: Women officers can join the Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA) stream and the first woman officer joined a RPA squadron in March 2021.
  • Overseas Assignments: Women officers are being deputed overseas including as part of ‘Mobile Training Teams’ and other foreign cooperation engagements.
  • Command of Combat Units: Meriting women officers are being selected to command combat units. Indian Navy appointed the first woman Commanding Officer of a naval ship in December 2023.
  • A woman officer was appointed as Executive Officer of a ship in May 2024.
  • First woman helicopter pilot of IN was awarded ‘Wings’ on June 07, 2024 and also the first woman officer qualified as ‘P8I’ aircraft pilot in July 2024.
  • Women Sailors in the Navy
  • Agniveers: Indian Navy became the first Service to leverage Agnipath to tap into the vibrant ‘Nari Shakti’ of the nation’s workforce. Women Agniveers are subject to the same training curriculum, professional courses and enrolment criteria for selection as regular sailors as their male counterparts. Women sailors will be employed across all trades for sailors, including onboard frontline operational units. As on date, 1,321 women Agniveers are borne on the strength of Indian Navy.
ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES

  • President Smt Droupadi Murmu attended the ‘Day at Sea’ event off Goa on December 07, 2024. During the visit, the President witnessed several naval operations, including missile firing drills, and fighter aircraft operations from the deck of Vikrant, and was also briefed on the role of Indian Navy and the naval Concept of Operations.
  • Raksha Mantri laid the foundation stone of a new Very Low Frequency Station of the Indian Navy at the Damagundam Reserve Forest site, Pudur Mandal in Vikarabad, Telangana in October 2024. The facility, built at a cost of Rs 3,200 crore, will be spread across 2,900 acres. It will bolster the Indian Navy’s operational readiness, ensuring effective command and control capabilities in challenging maritime environments.
  • As part of Navy Day celebration, an Operational Demo by frontline naval ships and aircraft, to demonstrate Indian Navy’s preparedness to respond to maritime threats and challenges, was conducted off Puri (at Golden Beach), Odisha in December 2024. The event is in consonance with the Government of India policy to celebrate Service Days in various cities apart from Delhi. The President presided over the event as the Chief Guest.
  • As part of first edition of Naval Commanders’ Conference 2024, Raksha Mantri interacted with the Naval Commanders on the inaugural day of the conference on March 05, 2024 and witnessed the naval Operational Demonstration, including Twin Carrier operations.
  • Nausena Bhawan, the newly-constructed Headquarters of the Indian Navy, located at Delhi Cantt. was officially inaugurated by Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh in March 2024.
  • As part of Project Seabird, four major marine piers at Karwar have been completed/handed over to Indian Navy in early 2024. Further, five more piers are scheduled for delivery by end December 2024.
 
"Next Generation" OPVs by GRSE:
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

compared to Pipavav shipyard's design from 2010s:
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A pvt shipyard's design vs A PSU design for OPVs. You can see the coherence in ship design coming out of a pvt shipyard vs whatever disjointed mess the so called "Next Generation" OPVs are.

Once you take a look at the previous generation Saryu class OPVs, you might think that the design has regressed a bit.

Saryu class:
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These chai-samosa PSU workers cant innovate one bit. PSU shipyards dont exist to serve the navy, they exist to create guaranteed job employment. As long as IN shipbuilding is cornered by MDL, GRSE, GSL, etc, etc there is no hope. Pvt shipyards will need to come in. Modi govt's efforts towards privatization has fizzled out too. He's now going towards the opposite direction. God help this country.

This malaise of the entire system[retarded govt policies + govt owned shipyards] also explains why Indian navy is built up the way it is. All its frontline ships have imported subsystems including the radar/propulsion/missiles. A pvt shipyard would've started working with local companies to offer solutions on its own. But the chai-samosa workers are not concerned with these petty little things.



The perfect example of chai-samosa workers is actually the MBT program. We started licence manufacturing of Vickers Mk.1 in 1965. almost 60 yrs later, we still licence manufature foreign tanks.
Investment in competitive private companies by rewarding contracts would have given good results (some could have emerged as better alternatives over a period of time). It can be considered a policy failure. Quite sad to be honest.
 
Be cautious, as "Navy is best" fanboys might not take this critique lightly. The entire naval procurement process is an absolute mess and frankly, a joke. The only truly indigenous components in Indian ships are the steel, some combat management systems, and a few secondary items like decoys. It’s been 10 years since 2014, yet there’s still no real progress on a proper Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) system. It took Project Kusha for them to even consider a Naval SAM, but they’ve essentially been asleep at the wheel for the past decade, perhaps deliberately, to keep the Barak-8 gravy train rolling. Not even an attempt has been made to improve its range with a larger booster.


There's still no news on a Vertical Launch System (VLS) capable of firing a combination of four Short Range SAMs and one Long Range SAM. The so-called VL-SRSAM program feels like a disjointed effort with no grand vision to integrate it into something like a Universal VLS (UVLS). It’s been 4 or 5 years since that radar was spotted on the experimental ship, and they’re dragging their feet like it’s some never-ending chai-samosa break. There’s absolutely no sense of urgency. After all, why jeopardize the lucrative Israeli radar gravy train that costs a fortune to import? Now, these clowns are doubling down on yet another ridiculous stunt by importing the Mogami-class UNICORN mast without even trying to fund an indigenous program. Companies like Astra Microwave and others can manufacture radars—why not at least commission a feasibility study and provide funding? If it fails, then fine, consider importing. But no, they’re drooling over foreign equipment as if it’s a magic bullet against PLAN, with no genuine intent to even attempt something homegrown.


Do they even take a good look at Indian Navy ships? What’s the point of a stealth mast when the ships themselves look like a joke in terms of stealth? To justify a mast like that, you need proper shaping at the level of Zumwalt or Mogami.


Radar? Nil.
SAM? Nil.
SSM? Nil.
Integrated Radio Mast? Nil.
Main Gun? Nil.
AA Gun? Nil.
RCWS? Nil.



An utter joke of a Navy.

Earlier naval deals were too small for indigenization. Trishul missile failed, hence Barak 8. The navy funded Kaveri for ship propulsion too. But GTRE rejected it saying the ordered numbers were too small. So it wasn't due to lack of trying.

IN has divided their indigenization efforts into three categories; Float, Move, and Fight. Float is the hull. Move is the propulsion system. Fight is weapons and sensors. They have achieved Float. Next step is Fight, which will be achieved on NGF and NGD with indigenous air defenses and cruise missiles. NGC will be the first new ship meant to start the process of achieving Move, with an indigenous diesel engine, while the gas turbine is imported. The goal is full indigenization of Move by 2047, using diesel engines and gas turbines for all types of ships. So ships built after NGC, NGF, and NGD will be fully indigenous.


SSNs will be our first class of vessels where all three will be achieved simultaneously.
 
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Earlier naval deals were too small for indigenization. Trishul missile failed, hence Barak 8. The navy funded Kaveri for ship propulsion too. But GTRE rejected it saying the ordered numbers were too small. So it wasn't due to lack of trying.

IN has divided their indigenization efforts into three categories; Float, Move, and Fight. Float is the hull. Move is the propulsion system. Fight is weapons and sensors. They have achieved Float. Next step is Fight, which will be achieved on NGF and NGD with indigenous air defenses and cruise missiles. NGC will be the first new ship meant to start the process of achieving Move, with an indigenous diesel engine, while the gas turbine is imported. The goal is full indigenization of Move by 2047, using diesel engines and gas turbines for all types of ships. So ships built after NGC, NGF, and NGD will be fully indigenous.


SSNs will be our first class of vessels where all three will be achieved simultaneously.

I dont get the fascination for indigenization of apex category of tech ... why aim for GTs to begin with, how about diesel alternators and moffussil other systems that fall in move category.
 
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I dont get the fascination for indigenization of apex category of tech ... why aim for GTs to begin with, how about diesel alternators and moffussil other systems that fall in move category.

As India gets bigger, we are soon gonna experience tech denials as we start pushing our weight.

It's already started.

Not starting chip production under UPA was a huge blunder. We can't repeat that in other critical sectors.

Plus, even if we do continue to import, we won't necessarily get top-of-the-line engines for our ships in the future. It's time we start developing our own tech, the navy's deals are becoming large enough to warrant that change anyway. Earlier, we used to buy 3 ships at a time. Now we can scale up to 8 at once followed by a follow-on for 8 or more.

Unlike before, our ship designs will become exportable too, so that's an added bonus. Small navies are more likely to go for one-stop shop designs as well.
 
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