AMCA is a 5th gen fighter, which will demand higher electrical output too. I thing yesterday engine technology will not meet this requirement. I will tell we should go with RR proposal.
Then it was our mistake, we should have accepted the French offer. French are our best defence and strategic partners along with Russia and Israel.No we have proposed to share the know how, and the know why.
In my view, American engine tech is ahead of any other nation. But Americans are just not reliable enough for us to be dependent of such critical tech on them.
GE and Pratt & Whitney engines are by long shot more economical and bang for the money just by the huge order book being brought in by US DOD year after year. I don't believe anybody else can match that kind of bang for money at least.
I believe so too.
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The US has come back with its 2019 offer to jointly develop the AMCA jet engine with India shedding ‘export control’ concerns, , Magazine Issue 5 Nov 2022
What is "Meaningful transfer of technology"?
Other than Core( Hot section) of After burner part of engine, ??
You will get bang for money when you are purchasing not the best ot not a platform which dont have growth potential. We are short sighted thats why we are gonna uses a GE engine on AMCA.
If we get the 6th gen engine tech in this JV, it will turnout to be the best ever deal for us.
I replied to a specific query and did not mean to replace F15 engine with this one.
Yes, but the aim is to go for a family of engines upto and above 130KN. So this 116KN engine needs to evolve.
let us analyse the future. Russians, Europeans, Japanese and China are making their own engines. Going forward only major economy without this tech will be Indian. UK after brexit needs India to be able to save its own industries and for that they will give us whatever we want. Their tech is nearly at par with that of Americans due to a very large amount of JVs/Partnerships. Now the question for America is, should they let go of this Indian Market which will need the largest number of engines going into future or stick to their export controls. Americans may not be as good in biz as British but they are not fools.I believe so too.
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“If there’s a big inventory for GE engines, it makes sense sticking to it, if the condition for meaningful transfer of technology is met,”Second Thoughts
The US has come back with its 2019 offer to jointly develop the AMCA jet engine with India shedding ‘export control’ concerns, , Magazine Issue 5 Nov 2022www.businessworld.in
What is "Meaningful transfer of technology"?
Other than Core( Hot section) of After burner part of engine, ??
And we too should not be fools, we should get a gen 5 engine atleast not the yester year technology like f414. I prefer MRFA to go with French, a g2g deal with US to replace early models of MKI with F15EX & engine deals with RR, lastly no more Russian equipment.
Turkey and Soko too.
What industries in defense sector? Other than Engine by RR.. or BAE.
Technically yes, at par with US. But what about Cost?
Missed this point altogether. A key element in any defense trade relationship.
RR is not gonna give us such advanced tech.
The tech will come with full transfer, we won't be dependent on the Americans.
GE is the better bet. It's not just the F414, we can get access to the LM2500 as well. We are already assembling it. Would be even better if they help us make our own marine engine too.
They don't need to, they can give increased TOT on other parameters of engine, only the engine needs to deliver such high electrical output. With GE F414 engine we will not have such high electrical out i beleive.
LM2500 is not based on GEF414, and is old technology too. FYI RR was ready to co-operate with us with their new turbine engine which is capable of delivering 25 MW electrical out, such electrical out will be necessary for our upcoming vessels.
I know. My point was if the US is willing to hand over F414 tech, then it will be easier to get LM2500.
The way things are going we would unironically need to manufacture the m-88, ge-414 and hopefully the EPE. I do hope the RR engine is selected. It's by far the closest in terms of tech to the f-135.
May I ask, what exactly is an Adaptive Cycle Engine that GE is developing ? I mean what category of jet engine is it ? Is it the same turbofan engine with advancements and ability to adapt to sub-/trans-/supersonic speeds or is it an entirely new kind of engine which is different from turbo -jet/-fan/-prop/-shaft ?