Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions
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not in ICBM/SLBM though, it's all russians there. India is a milking cash cow for both countries, US and west to are part of the great game, behind the curtains. If you know what I mean
isn't that how really geopolitics and wealth transfer works globally. avg guys like us are just a mean to an end for the elites.
Thats how geopolitics works. We will be naive to believe that India built everything on it's own. Wassenaar arrangement has given India an opportunity to explore more in the recent times. China is not a member of it.
The outline of the arrangement is set out in a document entitled "Guidelines & Procedures, including the Initial Elements".[1] The list of restricted technologies is broken into two parts, the "List of Dual-Use Goods and Technologies" (also known as the Basic List) and the "Munitions List". The Basic List is composed of ten categories based on increasing levels of sophistication:
- Category 1 – Special Materials and Related Equipment
- Category 2 – Materials Processing
- Category 3 – Electronics
- Category 4 – Computers
- Category 5 – Part 1 – Telecommunications
- Category 5 – Part 2 – Information Security
- Category 6 – Sensors and Lasers
- Category 7 – Navigation and Avionics
- Category 8 – Marine
- Category 9 – Aerospace and Propulsion
It's not about do we have access to things or not. why would anyone share such high end technology with other country which can threaten them to in long run without any strategic or long term economic gain in first place ? It would be naive for us to believe that AQ khan manage to stole such high end technology secret without western agencies knowing it specially Dutch and Germans.
what were the long term benefits ? Why Norway and other European powers actively colluded with separatist like LTTE, khalistani and one in Kashmir... why all khalistani, economic offenders in India go hide in UK, Germany Canada and US ?
One possiblity is that all great powers elites (deep state) have a tactical understanding behind close doors on how to run global economic system...... Who will be the big capitalist dog (USA)... who will challenge the big dog and loose to it ( communist Soviet Union in past communist China in present ), Germany and Japan before WW2...which country will remain poor and which will emerge from the rubble and make sure such tussle remain which leads to great power competition , resulting in inovation and so forth while elites can make sure equality among masses is never achieved as it doesn't benefit them.
Call me conspiracy nuts or whatever. but even a retard can see that this North Korean missile look similar to American
ATACMS.
Now how did north Korea gets its hand on it? and it's range only threaten South Korea and Japan... is US playing double game here to kowtow Japan ?
look at the similarities between these missiles from Ukraine, Russia to both Korea's. what the hell is going on here.
Well I know the globalist conspiracy but in case of the South Koreans the Russians have done a lot of back handed deals with them. Also Russians sold them t80's and iglas so it's much more of the same way Russians give some of their designs to smaller countries. The N.K route must be from the Chinese/Russians . Isn't Iskander hypersonic? I doubt both these missiles are hypersonic like iskander
Both the countries, US and Russia still hold the two centers in an ovoid. The technologies what they have been building past so many years through cold war and beyond is still very latest for rest of the world. There fore, they will use every opportunity to milk us. The game never stopped even after cold war, the rules just got changed.
When south korea deals with Russia, it gets to know about China and NoKo in return of purchase, may be.
lol I don't see any similarities .................
nope you are wrong there is no involvement of Israel in our strategic missiles plus the guidance system and computer are completely indegeneous.
1. 1st stage
Solid fuel , flex nozzle
2. Interstage 1/2
3. 2nd stage
Solid fuel , flex nozzle
4. Interstage 2/3
a. Contains a pair of vents for gas generators to create a bubble for transition through water.
b. Contains 2 pairs of heavy thrusters arranged parallel to each other and equidistant from the centre. They fire moments before the missile breaks the water surface to propel the missile into the air and the missile is lifted to a safe predetermined height from the water surface.
5. Nose fairing ( contains the 3rd stage which is part of payload bus ).
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Sequence of events associated with Kfour launch
1. Gas generator fires
2. The obturator pushes the missile out of the silo
3. As soon as nose is clear of silo , the gas generator in the interstage 2/3 fires through the 2 gas vents to create a bubble around the missile surface as the missile is being pushed upwards by the obturator.
4. As the nose breaks the water surface ,the 2 pairs of heavy thrusters in the interstage 2/3 fires to lift the missile clear of the water into the atmosphere . It travels to a predetermined height.
Note : I am of the opinion that the 2 pair of heavy thrusters in 2/3 interstage are not used till burnout . Those thrusters keep enough fuel as reserve to use during later maneuvers as per requirements eg highly depressed trajectory etc.
5. Then the 1st stage fires to carry the missile to the desired altitude
6. After burnout of 1st stage , it gets seperated along with the interstage 1/2 .
7. Then the 2nd stage fires to carry the payload further.
8. After burnout of 2nd stage , it is discarded along with the interstage 2/3.
9. Then the 3rd stage fires, nose fairing discarded just before that , the 3rd stage comprises of reaction control system (RCS) and velocity trimming module (VTM) , it is part of the payload bus . All eventsassociated with 3rd stage happens in space.
10.The payload bus maneuvers in space to allow for accurate positioning of payloadbus for accurate dispersion of RV(s).
11.The RV(s) are released.
Note : Kfour uses fins as control surfaces , since it is not known where exactly , i am inclined to believe they are used in theRV(s).
Solid fuel , flex nozzle
2. Interstage 1/2
3. 2nd stage
Solid fuel , flex nozzle
4. Interstage 2/3
a. Contains a pair of vents for gas generators to create a bubble for transition through water.
b. Contains 2 pairs of heavy thrusters arranged parallel to each other and equidistant from the centre. They fire moments before the missile breaks the water surface to propel the missile into the air and the missile is lifted to a safe predetermined height from the water surface.
5. Nose fairing ( contains the 3rd stage which is part of payload bus ).
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Sequence of events associated with Kfour launch
1. Gas generator fires
2. The obturator pushes the missile out of the silo
3. As soon as nose is clear of silo , the gas generator in the interstage 2/3 fires through the 2 gas vents to create a bubble around the missile surface as the missile is being pushed upwards by the obturator.
4. As the nose breaks the water surface ,the 2 pairs of heavy thrusters in the interstage 2/3 fires to lift the missile clear of the water into the atmosphere . It travels to a predetermined height.
Note : I am of the opinion that the 2 pair of heavy thrusters in 2/3 interstage are not used till burnout . Those thrusters keep enough fuel as reserve to use during later maneuvers as per requirements eg highly depressed trajectory etc.
5. Then the 1st stage fires to carry the missile to the desired altitude
6. After burnout of 1st stage , it gets seperated along with the interstage 1/2 .
7. Then the 2nd stage fires to carry the payload further.
8. After burnout of 2nd stage , it is discarded along with the interstage 2/3.
9. Then the 3rd stage fires, nose fairing discarded just before that , the 3rd stage comprises of reaction control system (RCS) and velocity trimming module (VTM) , it is part of the payload bus . All eventsassociated with 3rd stage happens in space.
10.The payload bus maneuvers in space to allow for accurate positioning of payloadbus for accurate dispersion of RV(s).
11.The RV(s) are released.
Note : Kfour uses fins as control surfaces , since it is not known where exactly , i am inclined to believe they are used in theRV(s).
Algorithms for for 6 DOF and 3 DOF engagement programs on Visual FORTRAN came from where then?
Determination of peak miss and steady state miss algo was not written ingeniously lol
Did you give a thought to the remote possibility that porky_kicker might actually stumble across this post of yours here and have a heart attack ?
Good job , you killed him
RIP porky_kicker
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But North Korea is also operating copies of Iskander and where the hell did they get ATACMs copies from?
Many mighty russian technology itself comes from west and it's coming from the time even before WW2...... Russia is an enemy that US and NATO deep state need to play the great game...they never fought each directly but made sure whole third world turn into a battle ground so they can test there shiny toys....what they did in past they are doing it now in middle east.
You might be right and I might be wrong here I agree. If those thrusters are fired after K 4 is out than it means that gas generator is not powerful enough to lift whole missile out from firing depth in one go compared to there western, russian and Chinese counterparts....and as @Chain Smoker said those 2 thruster at interstage which help lift K 4 are probably also used for late stage Maneuvering.
here's one similar Russian SLBM which uses such thrusters for late stage Maneuvering.
Atacms is inferior to Iskander in every parameter except accuracy and the n.k and s.k one both look like iskander. Also chances are higher that both the s.k and nk missiles are actually tochka clones. Tochka is an older variant of Iskander.
Also the atacms doesn't look anything like iskander or tochka. If that's the case even agni 5 looks like atacms does that mean Americans gave us missile tech?
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@Nikhil Also you are forgetting the era of the cold war and why it was cold. Both sides were equipped with weapons that would have made most of the earth unliveable. Those things were not controllable by any globalist. Both countries were fighting an ideological war . They used that ideology to increase their influence and control over other nations and make them their vassals. Technology was shared during and post world war and even took Nazi scientist to become more powerful. That's why the west is scared of an arms race because they were in a constant fear of being wiped out by the Soviet union. The jet technology for the mig 15 was given by the Brits to the Russians over a game of billiards. The only real conspiracy comes from the American involvement in the war. The entry into pearl Harbor and follow up to it. The whole globalist conspiracy comes from players in limited countries of Europe and the Russians are not sitting in this table. The Chinese have bought their seat with the elites. I support the whole part of wars being created for some special interests but saying the Russians are connected to it is bs. The Russians were always the one who wanted to be part of the great game of controlling people and they did but the west has been more successful in creating vassal states like the Japanese and Koreans. The Russians and Slavs were never considered equals by the western Europeans. The whole Bolshevik movement is said to be a Jewish conspiracy but I personally think there's more to it than meets the eye.
U.S becoming powerful is shady itself because it tries to make itself a player in Eurasia where it is irrelevant. Personally people cry over the N.W.O but the reality is U.S is the N.W.O. Countries like Russia, China, Iran,N.K oppose them openly and get sanctioned others are just vassal states of the Americans. We are still in the process of becoming vassal state with the signing of defense agreements like LEMOA,COMCASA and so on. The Americans don't like equals so even if our economy suddenly comes close enough to beating them they could very well force us into signing a deal like the Japanese and shuting us down forever. Right now we are a non-player and are region of interest is in the subcontinent. The moment we try to increase our influence and be blatant is the moment we will become the new villain for the west. Right now it is the Chinese in future a time will come where either we will be the villain or the vassals of the americans
U.S becoming powerful is shady itself because it tries to make itself a player in Eurasia where it is irrelevant. Personally people cry over the N.W.O but the reality is U.S is the N.W.O. Countries like Russia, China, Iran,N.K oppose them openly and get sanctioned others are just vassal states of the Americans. We are still in the process of becoming vassal state with the signing of defense agreements like LEMOA,COMCASA and so on. The Americans don't like equals so even if our economy suddenly comes close enough to beating them they could very well force us into signing a deal like the Japanese and shuting us down forever. Right now we are a non-player and are region of interest is in the subcontinent. The moment we try to increase our influence and be blatant is the moment we will become the new villain for the west. Right now it is the Chinese in future a time will come where either we will be the villain or the vassals of the americans
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Are you sure , because those are the tractor puller rockets on the nose cap which is ejected just after the missile clears the water
I can certainly speak on behalf of the late porky_kicker ( RIP bro)
Based on the the picture of the Kfour interstage which porky_kicker ( RIP ) had and believes to be the interstage 2/3 based on evidence from the video and logical deductions based on basic rocketry as per the best of his capabilities.
So he put forward the idea that the Kfour Interstage 2/3 has a pair of vents for gas generators to create a bubble for transition through water and 2 pairs of heavy thrusters at either sides of missile which fires to propel the missile into the air just moments before the missile is about to breach the water surface and then the thrusters keep firing till the missile is lifted to a safe predetermined height from the water surface.
hence in the video you see 2 streams of dense gas at either sides on the missile as it breaks the water and rises up.
Also as per late porky_kicker ( RIP bro ) given the internal volume ( considerable large fuel capacity ) of the interstate 2/3 and shaping of the exhaust vents he believes in addition to the above mentioned functions , the thrusters on interstate 2/3 will be used for roll control and trajectory shaping ( which you wrongly interpretated as late stage maneuvering ) . Heat build up on the missile surface is a cause of concern during flight in a depressed trajectory . Plus use of ablative coatings on missile body for thermal protection and range increase requires equal distribution of heat during flight and which can be done only by rolling the missile while in flight. Manuverability is an additional benifit at any stage of flight as per needs.
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Just a clarification , kindly don't mind my light hearted banter and leg pulling , I am just having some fun , you know corona and all . So don't mind me and enjoy posting.