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Food should go straight to the consumers, and the difference between wholesale and retail prices should be marginal; primarily transport, services and taxes. Middlemen should be as less as possible.
And how we should do that. Are u suggesting farmers should sell their crops directly to consumer?? That is going to be alot difficult.


And if food comes under private industries, nobody is going to sell food at low prices as majority of Indian population is poor. Food is basic necessity.
 
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Their monthly income is still the lowest in India. Statistics which you have shared doesn't translates that Biharis farmers are living in good conditions.
Ofcourse it will be less. Their population density is twice and farming area is less. And they are not getting as much as state subsidies. It took punjab three decades of growth from green revolution to be prosperous.
 
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Speaking English and being educated are not related. Having a PhD in physics doesn't make you educated in bureaucracy either. Politically-motivated protests happen even in developed countries. It's nothing to do with a person's education.
I am saying that only they are educated people.
Regardless Pepsico still bought those lower quality potatoes, which is the main benefit of dealing with private industry. But what's the point in forcin
I was saying only few of them are of bad quality, they can ignore those pieces instead they bought whole lot at low prices. And i was giving example what problem farmers will face if they have to deal with private players. MSP doesnt translates to profit for farmers.
 
And how we should do that. Are u suggesting farmers should sell their crops directly to consumer?? That is going to be alot difficult.

Not consumer, farmers should be able to sell to retailers directly instead of going through govt and bureaucracy.

And if food comes under private industries, nobody is going to sell food at low prices as majority of Indian population is poor. Food is basic necessity.

Food will get cheaper since only the private industry have the capacity to create complex logistics chains. Like our refrigeration industry is practically non-existent.

I am saying that only they are educated people.

They are demonstrating the opposite right now.

I was saying only few of them are of bad quality, they can ignore those pieces instead they bought whole lot at low prices. And i was giving example what problem farmers will face if they have to deal with private players.

Competition will take care of that.

MSP doesnt translates to profit for farmers.

Exactly. That's why we need to do away with it. MSP is translating into massive losses to the govt instead. Punjabis and Haryanvis have to tap other markets now.
 
Exactly. That's why we need to do away with it. MSP is translating into massive losses to the govt instead. Punjabis and Haryanvis have to tap other markets now

MSP brings FOOD SECURITY for 1.3 Billion people

If there is a Monsoon failure in large parts of the country , and EVEN IF
our foodgrain production falls by say 10 million tonnes , The Food inflation will rise by 30 percent

The Buffer stocks of FCI help in meeting temporary shortages

Why do Onion prices Double for a Few months though production is just slightly delayed by floods or droughts

Our consumption is huge
Food security is the Top most priority

Other wise there will be mass food riots in the country
 
Terminating MSP is also not a solution. Punjab and Haryana farmers grow wheat and rice bcz they are getting MSP on them, for other crops they are not getting and sometimes it remains unsold. Like i remembered sometimes ago, govt asked farmers to Grow pulses but it remained unsold and govt pickup wheat and rice again. Whose fault is this? From next year, farmers start growing wheat and rice again.

Instead of terminating MSP, why not govt announce the demand for each crop before the season and declare the MSP for each crop and they will pick up the crop according to demand only. And let local Mandis handle the % of sharecrop produced at each area like produce rice where ground water level is high.
Why farmers will not produce any other crop if they are getting MSP and govt wont have to handle with extra production.

And for the private sector, let me give an example again. Pepsico has asked farmers to grow potatoes for their lays, but when the time comes to buy them, bcz of some rotten potatoes, they said the quality of potatoes are not good and they will give less price due to this reason. Farmers cannot decide the quality of their crops, one or two potatoes will always be bad. You cannot control that.
Pls understand the context under which MSP was brought in. For those who came in late, while in the first 2-3 decades after independence , India was hugely dependent on outside aid for foodstuff, it was decided to take up self sufficiency in production of food grains with priority.

Post independence Punjab ( unified Punjab including Haryana + HP) was the prime candidate as since British times these areas benefitted from having advanced irrigation & power facilities which in turn owed itself to the munificence of nature what with 7 rivers flowing thru it & the canal colonies created which arguably was more in what's now Pakistani Punjab apart from better education.

Post independence, the biggest dam project the Bhakra Nangal was conceived, designed & executed precisely for these reasons in the Punjab. Hence, the Green revolution saw itself being inaugurated in Punjab & Haryana with these States emerging as the bread baskets of India .

Prosperity leads to more more prosperity as the income this earned led to creation of better infrastructure viz power, warehouses communication & transportation facilities etc. This ensured that P&H continued their dominance in food production which in turn lead to massive subsidies both direct & indirect which has continued till date.

Unfortunately, that's where things stopped . Instead of using this prosperity as a platform & springboard to vault into the industrial & services sector, partly due to the insurgency issue through the 80's & 90's & thru sheer lack of foresight & leadership subsequently leading to where we are today, where agriculture has reached a saturation point & cannot absorb new entrants into the working force there, has become inefficient in its mode of production & has over a period of time lost it's status as the bread basket of the country where other states are producing the same food grains at a cheaper rate of input cost & therefore sale which both P&H can't compete with & had no need to do so as long as MSP & picking up of their stocks by the FCI was guaranteed.

P&H enjoyed it's pre eminence only because in the 70's & 80's the other regions of India couldn't ensure that we could be self sufficient in good grain production without P&H. When this was achieved throughout the 90's & later decades, it was only a matter of time before those steps you're seeing now were enacted. You see, governments are opportunistic. As long as they needed P&H to ensure we were self sufficient in food grains production, they indulged in them. Once that need was removed, markets being unforgiving, this move being on the cards since 2 decades, had to be executed. It came to be so now.

While your points about the government not being clear in its plans procurement & communication w.r.t crop diversity is well taken, tell me how will farmers leading a hand to mouth existence in other parts of the country for whom MSP is a dream , who've had no choice but to sell it to the APMC at rates determined by the cartel there which isn't even half the MSP & for whom these laws promise a better income & consequently a better future look at the actions of the farmers from P& H .

It makes for horrible optics. Besides, even if the GoI bows down to the demands of the farmers from P&H & repeals those laws which is highly unlikely except for some cosmetic changes , do you think the farmers from the rest of the nation will take it lying down, now that the genie has been let out of the bottle?

This is the gist of the story of agriculture in P&H today.
 
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Removal of MSP and bringing the private sector in will benefit the farmers.
Not necessarily, it will benefit a section of the farmers especially the big ones but the small ones they might get wiped out unless they adapt. These reforms will certainly improve productivity of agriculture but to what extent we need to see.
 
MSP is very low as compared to the retail price

How else do you convince farmers that these reforms are meant to increase their incomes by shortening the supply chain from Farm to Fork / Plate

It is a battle of narratives
Its like selling a lottery to the farmer. Given the reputation of the govts in India it is going to be a hard sell. Just imagine after demonetization ,corona lockdown and now you are selling farm reforms to the masses, thats a tough job.
 
Not necessarily, it will benefit a section of the farmers especially the big ones but the small ones they might get wiped out unless they adapt. These reforms will certainly improve productivity of agriculture but to what extent we need to see.
Although I too agree that MSP should be there at least till a proper mechanism is devised (IMO similar to Amazon or Flipkart) where farmers can sell there produce directly in the market to the companies/customers).
current system is extremely inefficient and corrupt.
MSP is not the solution in long term.
 
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MSP brings FOOD SECURITY for 1.3 Billion people

If there is a Monsoon failure in large parts of the country , and EVEN IF
our foodgrain production falls by say 10 million tonnes , The Food inflation will rise by 30 percent

The Buffer stocks of FCI help in meeting temporary shortages

Why do Onion prices Double for a Few months though production is just slightly delayed by floods or droughts

Our consumption is huge
Food security is the Top most priority

Other wise there will be mass food riots in the country

You are confusing MSP and FCI's food stocks. FCI can buy from anywhere once MSP is gone. And they can buy stocks that they actually need and not simply buy all the rice and wheat that just 2 states produce.

The quality and distribtion of food stocks in the FCI will improve once MSP is gone. Plus it will get cheaper for the govt. And food wastage will decrease. Plus it will open up markets for export of excess food once price controls are released.
 
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Not necessarily, it will benefit a section of the farmers especially the big ones but the small ones they might get wiped out unless they adapt. These reforms will certainly improve productivity of agriculture but to what extent we need to see.

It will help more than 99% of all farmers out there. With MSP gone and the entry of private sector, farmers will actually make a significantly larger income than what the are making today. Plus all the attendent benefits.

The only ones it won't benefit are the ones completely reliant on MSP, mainly farmers from Punjab and Haryana, and do not adapt to the new changes, but that would be their own fault.
 
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Although I too agree that MSP should be there at least till a proper mechanism is devised (IMO similar to Amazon or Flipkart) where farmers can sell there produce directly in the market to the companies/customers).
current system is extremely inefficient and corrupt.
MSP is not the solution in long term.
True in an ideal world if every thing works out as expected. If farmers fold up and leave the space to private players there is also chances of cartels emerging. More than removing MSP we should also have a strong govt oversight to ensure that there is just & fair environment for everyone.
 
It will help more than 99% of all farmers out there. With MSP gone and the entry of private sector, farmers will actually make a significantly larger income than what the are making today. Plus all the attendent benefits.

The only ones it won't benefit are the ones completely reliant on MSP, mainly farmers from Punjab and Haryana, and do not adapt to the new changes, but that would be their own fault.
You are talking about an ideal scenario, but thats not always the case.
 
My ex manager is from a farming family and his brother is still doing farming. Their farm is 1300 acres and yet they are struggling to survive due to huge investments and low price of agricultural produce. It seems after rapid growth in 60s and 70s, prices became stagnant in US during early 80s and since then agriculture has lost it’s charm. Indian farmers should realize this and next generation must move into other professions either in manufacturing or services sector. Indian government cannot keep providing these subsidies or MSPs for ever.
Farming in US is at done at industrial scale I dont think we can have a even comparison with Indian farming. They cant expect to have a high valued currency and at the same time expect profit from exporting a low value commodity. Amount of subsidy given by India pales in comparison to what is given to US farmers. Frankly a country which imports bananas , tomatoes and sparkling mineral water has no business being in farming.
 
Farming in US is at done at industrial scale I dont think we can have a even comparison with Indian farming. They cant expect to have a high valued currency and at the same time expect profit from exporting a low value commodity. Amount of subsidy given by India pales in comparison to what is given to US farmers. Frankly a country which imports bananas , tomatoes and sparkling mineral water has no business being in farming.
In spite of the industrial scale and the subsidies, farming is not viable in US and many traditional farming families are moving out. In India, where land holding is already so small and getting even smaller with every generation, it just doesn’t make sense for small farmers.
 
True in an ideal world if every thing works out as expected. If farmers fold up and leave the space to private players there is also chances of cartels emerging. More than removing MSP we should also have a strong govt oversight to ensure that there is just & fair environment for everyone.
You are talking about an ideal scenario, but thats not always the case.
you are sounding like Communist Netas of 80s. There is nothing unrealistic about what I said, be it abolition of restrictions to sell our crops to whomever, wherever and whenever we want and nor the concept of a common marketplace like Amazon and Flipkart both of which are real world entities. Even govt thinks so.
whats more funny is we used to have similar MSP and quota system for automobile and telecom sector too, but no one like to bring back those policies tomorrow. wonder why ? because both Producer and customer benefited by abolition of those laws
 
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Usually I prefer to be silent reader of this forum and I have learnt a lot from it. However now I feel people here also getting misguided regarding these farm laws and are just protesting due to their emotional touch with farmers. Been in food industry for more than 2 decades I have seen plight agriculture industry and farmer with existence system.



At present we all get paid as per the market driven rates rather than minimum wage set by the govt, still most of us are propagating MSP for the farmers. This MSP system has made the farmer mostly of Punjab and Haryana too much dependent of cash crop such as wheat and paddy and they don't want to indulge in other crop such as corn, oilseeds which have much higher value in market. This over dependence on wheat and paddy has made them lazy and has brought drug culture in Punjab. Central govt buys more than 80-90% of food grains from these two states only, where the rest of the farmers in India are dependent on market player. I think govt should diversify their food grain buying from other states too...


At present only 23 crops comes under MSP and out of there only 2 crops are vastly bought under MSP having annual growth of 1-1.5%. Where as
poultry, dairy, fruits and vegetables are growing more than 7% are not part of MSP regime. So why there is much fixation of MSP in Punjab, its just because MSP give them guaranteed sale by govt and they are too lazy to diversify. Presently Govt of India has stock pile of 2-3 times of food grains and most of them getting rotten , which amounts to 1.08 lakh crore rupees. If tomorrow govt is forced to buy all Agri produce under MSP which farmers are demanding than please be prepare for addition tax govt will have to impose on us.

Lastly regarding the misconception regarding the contract farming where big players will take away the farmer land is totally false. Let me help you understand this, One of the biggest food industry in India is 'Amul" and we all are proud of it not just because it’s an Indian brand but because of millions of farmer are associated with this cooperative movement. Do you know Amul milk procurement system is just like a contract farming where farmer is contract with Amul and he gets paid as per the quality of milk produced by him. The same method is used by Nestle, Hatsun, Mother dairy and many other dairy player, similar mechanism is also being followed poultry industry too. Have anyone heard that Amul or any private players has taken away the cattle of farmers? So how big players will take away land of farmers.

In order to farmer to prosper they have to take plunge into the market where there will be course correction but on longer run, they will become efficient and will be able to compete with foreign players too.
 
Usually I prefer to be silent reader of this forum and I have learnt a lot from it. However now I feel people here also getting misguided regarding these farm laws and are just protesting due to their emotional touch with farmers. Been in food industry for more than 2 decades I have seen plight agriculture industry and farmer with existence system.



At present we all get paid as per the market driven rates rather than minimum wage set by the govt, still most of us are propagating MSP for the farmers. This MSP system has made the farmer mostly of Punjab and Haryana too much dependent of cash crop such as wheat and paddy and they don't want to indulge in other crop such as corn, oilseeds which have much higher value in market. This over dependence on wheat and paddy has made them lazy and has brought drug culture in Punjab. Central govt buys more than 80-90% of food grains from these two states only, where the rest of the farmers in India are dependent on market player. I think govt should diversify their food grain buying from other states too...


At present only 23 crops comes under MSP and out of there only 2 crops are vastly bought under MSP having annual growth of 1-1.5%. Where as
poultry, dairy, fruits and vegetables are growing more than 7% are not part of MSP regime. So why there is much fixation of MSP in Punjab, its just because MSP give them guaranteed sale by govt and they are too lazy to diversify. Presently Govt of India has stock pile of 2-3 times of food grains and most of them getting rotten , which amounts to 1.08 lakh crore rupees. If tomorrow govt is forced to buy all Agri produce under MSP which farmers are demanding than please be prepare for addition tax govt will have to impose on us.

Lastly regarding the misconception regarding the contract farming where big players will take away the farmer land is totally false. Let me help you understand this, One of the biggest food industry in India is 'Amul" and we all are proud of it not just because it’s an Indian brand but because of millions of farmer are associated with this cooperative movement. Do you know Amul milk procurement system is just like a contract farming where farmer is contract with Amul and he gets paid as per the quality of milk produced by him. The same method is used by Nestle, Hatsun, Mother dairy and many other dairy player, similar mechanism is also being followed poultry industry too. Have anyone heard that Amul or any private players has taken away the cattle of farmers? So how big players will take away land of farmers.

In order to farmer to prosper they have to take plunge into the market where there will be course correction but on longer run, they will become efficient and will be able to compete with foreign players too.

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I want to ask, why not Central Government instead of creating MSPs and other things.
Create an Amazon type central aggregator, which job will be to transfer fresh produce from here to there and also give FARMERS new Technologies when they go for crops from time to time.

Transportation can be offloaded to Transportation industries and companies here in India.

That way small farmers can atleast get government support directly also in the lieu of it government can do AADHAR and National Registration things.
With Modi at the helm atleast things will go smoothly.