Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Koi Nahi Bhai...
Yeh kon sii aakhri laraee thii hamaray darmiyaan?
Abhi tou sirf sattar Saal Huey humain lartay Huey.
Aaindaa bhii bahut laraai honi hay.
Jou kamii kotaahi aap kii taraf sey yaa hamaari taraff sey iss baar reh gaee...aglii baar poori Ker lein gey

Exactly , this is the Right attitude

There should be No shame in accepting
Mistakes And losses

And there is NO sense in making False Claims

We are infact very happy that because of
Everything that happened , IAF has only gotten better and stronger

India always needs a push to make changes and improvements

PAF base Shahbaz.
Viper 606 being decorated with SU-30 kill marking.
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See suppose you are walking in your own garden inside your house

And if a gunman shoots you from outside 5 times but you escape and the gunman misses everytime then You are a HERO ie Su 30 in this case
and the Gunman is an IDIOT -- PAF pilots in this case

You should Fire your F 16 pilots for wasting 5 Amrams

PAF F-16 missile approach warning system.. I am not sure what type it is , but it is there

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But these MAWS dont work , Get a new one

Otherwise the DOOSRA BANDA would have been alive

 

[safriz]

But these MAWS dont work , Get a new one

Otherwise the DOOSRA BANDA would have been alive

Yes sure... Abhinandan himself said he was "looking for targets" not chasing one ..
And his jet came down with all 4 missiles and fuel tanks which is got rid of , if a fighter jet engages in air battle. He didn't know where he was and was asking locals if it's India or Pakistan.
All Pakistani jets were networked via link 16 and link 17 to at least two AWACS and two ground based 500 KM range AESA 3D AN-TPS radars. And had a strict instruction of keeping out of the missile range of Indian jets.
IAF in their own statement said that PAF were locking on to them from outside their missile ranges,and that's why india scrambled to buy new BVR as all Indian air to air missiles that day proved to be inferior to AIM-120C5.
The only missiles fired at Pakistani jets were MICA which were fired by Mirage-2000 on the Thunders, and missed targets.
No Mig or SU fired any missile that day

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Yes sure... Abhinandan himself said he was "looking for targets" not chasing one ..
And his jet came down with all 4 missiles and fuel tanks which is got rid of , if a fighter jet engages in air battle. He didn't know where he was and was asking locals if it's India or Pakistan.
All Pakistani jets were networked via link 16 and link 17 to at least two AWACS and two ground based 500 KM range AESA 3D AN-TPS radars. And had a strict instruction of keeping out of the missile range of Indian jets.
IAF in their own statement said that PAF were locking on to them from outside their missile ranges,and that's why india scrambled to buy new BVR as all Indian air to air missiles that day proved to be inferior to AIM-120C5.
The only missiles fired at Pakistani jets were meteors which were fired by Mirage-2000 on the Thunders, and missed targets.
No Mig or SU fired any missile that day

See it is ONE thing that you keep on lying
But please dont make a mockery of Air Combat

Your foolish pilots could do Nothing
1 They could not Hit Su 30 or engage Mirage 2000s
2 They could not bomb properly
Just as STONE THROWERS they were throwing bombs

3 Your F 16 pilots could not see an Incoming R 73

4 Your AWACS pilots did not see the 6 MIG 21s having scrambled

5 Your BARCAP could not stop Abhinandan from entering and Shooting down F 16

BVR combat is all about who gets into the position to fire the First shot

Since Our Su30s were on CAP at a lower you fired at them from 40 K

Wasting 5 Amraams is Not an Achievement

We fired ONLY ONE R 73 and it hit the target

In a Real.war you will.waste all your BVR s
In 2 days

 

[safriz]

Again you are an INCORRIGIBLE IDIOT

Mirage 2000s carry MICA

And JF 17 were well outside the Range of Mica , so they did not fire anything

I Myself remember your Oscar saying on PDF ( he has changed his name now )

He wrote and I quote " We did not get to see the Kinematic performance of R 77 and Mica "

Thunders were in the attack party and closest to Indian jets as carrying REK glide bombs.
Tbunders locked on 9 targets on their own but did not have clearance to shoot.
Abhinandan had no radio communication with base as all coms were jammed by our blinders.
His MAWS gave him no warning. Because AIM-120 comes from above in BVR mode.
Gains altitude after firing then uses gravity to sustain speed.
We only fired 2x AIM-120 as confirmed by ground crew and pilots themselves.
Both hit targets.
The target perimeters were given by AWACS and the missiles mid course update was provided by erieye AWACS hence very accurate.
No wonder India complained to Sweden about Pakistani erieye.



India Pakistan: Swedish Awacs in focus again after PAF used it against India

Swedish Awacs in focus again after PAF used it against India

 

[Nilgiri]

Meteors fired by mirages lol.

What am I even reading...facepalm.

Oh right its an abdul from country that struggles to submit more than 10 patents a year to the US that it then has to grovel for baksheesh.

This is the level of aptitude that's to be taken seriously.

 

[safriz]

Meteors fired by mirages lol.

What am I even reading...facepalm.

Oh right its an abdul from country that struggles to submit more than 10 patents a year to the US that it then has to grovel for baksheesh.

This is the level of aptitude that's to be taken seriously.

Yeah..typo... Corrected already..

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Thunders were in the attack party and closest to Indian jets as carrying REK glide bombs.
Tbunders locked on 9 targets on their own but did not have clearance to shoot.
Abhinandan had no radio communication with base as all coms were jammed by our blinders.
His MAWS gave him no warning. Because AIM-120 comes from above in BVR mode.
Gains altitude after firing then uses gravity to sustain speed.
We only fired 2x AIM-120 as confirmed by ground crew and pilots themselves.
Both hit targets.
The target perimeters were given by AWACS and the missiles mid course update was provided by erieye AWACS hence very accurate.
No wonder India complained to Sweden about Pakistani erieye.



India Pakistan: Swedish Awacs in focus again after PAF used it against India

Swedish Awacs in focus again after PAF used it against India

We said to Sweden that since you sell Equipment to Pakistan , we cannot buy from you , that is a normal thing in diplomatic relations

Thunders are Useless because 4 of them were afraid to Engage with 2 Mirages

That day basically you guys did NOT COME TO FIGHT

You came to Show Off your so called Capabilities

But what did this " Cabaret dance " Give you -- Foolish people , PAF is foolish and UNPROFESSIONAL

Now we know.all your Tactics and Technologies

YOU GUYS are feverishly PRAYING THAT.
there should be no further conflict

Because if you could not hurt us in a so called surprise ; You will be VERY badly hurt in the next round

 

[safriz]

We said to Sweden that since you sell Equipment to Pakistan , we cannot buy from you , that is a normal thing in diplomatic relations

Thunders are Useless because 4 of them were afraid to Engage with 2 Mirages

That day basically you guys did NOT COME TO FIGHT

You came to Show Off your so called Capabilities

But what did this " Cabaret dance " Give you -- Foolish people , PAF is foolish and UNPROFESSIONAL

Now we know.all your Tactics and Technologies

YOU GUYS are feverishly PRAYING THAT.
there should be no further conflict

Because if you could not hurt us in a so called surprise ; You will be VERY badly hurt in the next round

In other news

Hit and run - The Week

The thunders were carrying KG600 jamming pods and played a crucial role in jamming Indian jet radars , none of whom had an AESA.

 

[Ashwin]

The thunders were carrying KG600 jamming pods and played a crucial role in jamming Indian jet radars , none of whom had an AESA.

Tbunders locked on 9 targets on their own but did not have clearance to shoot.

The only missiles fired at Pakistani jets were MICA which were fired by Mirage-2000 on the Thunders, and missed targets.

Your level of technical understanding of these topics is always a pleasure to watch.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

In other news

Hit and run - The Week

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The thunders were carrying KG600 jamming pods and played a crucial role in jamming Indian jet radars , none of whom had an AESA.

See because of you I am getting warnings

You are annoying and irritating me a Lot

I am reminded of that funny proverb

" Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "

From India' s point of view , Whatever happened was Excellent

You can do Hundreds of Exercises but Real war experience is infinitely better

 

[safriz]

Your level of technical understanding of these topics is always a pleasure to watch.

Ok Mr DRDO or NASA... You are welcome to correct me.
No seriously... I like technical discussions... Go for it.

See because of you I am getting warnings

You are annoying and irritating me a Lot

I am reminded of that funny proverb

" Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "

From India' s point of view , Whatever happened was Excellent

You can do Hundreds of Exercises but Real war experience is infinitely better

I am not using bad language, you are.
Plus this is just an online discussion. No need to get annoyed.
I don't know about you , but I am following online discussion boards since they were invented. Initially following Hexus as technology forum. Then following defence forums after 2009 when I started visiting air shows , Farnborough being my first one.
Being passionate is one thing and taking it personal is another.
Just don't take it personal.

 

[RajibJ]

Sameer Joe adding few new video of F16. Requesting to visit his twitter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234124829780893696

 

[Sathya]

In other news

Hit and run - The Week

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The thunders were carrying KG600 jamming pods and played a crucial role in jamming Indian jet radars , none of whom had an AESA.

Easy to quote a haters of their country.
Alas we don't have the capabilities of ISI , who even silence the critics.

 

[vvabhiram]

already few astrologers in Twitter are predicting similar Balakot type of conflict can occur between March 15 to 30. If any such thing occurs, I just hope that IAF will shoot down F-16 and show the visible proof

 

[Ashwin]

Ok Mr DRDO or NASA... You are welcome to correct me.
No seriously... I like technical discussions... Go for it.

Why bother. I can see you are just posting memorabilia here. How many times have you used 'whatever makes you sleep at night' phrase to avoid real discussions?

Here is abhinandan's chai, his suit his underwear, etc. But hey we could not keep him even for a few days. No introspection on basics, is there any evidence for MKi kill, what about doosra banda, Overwhelming evidence of second crash along Mig-21, Why were all the AIM-120 failed? What would have happened if Abhinandan did not cross LoC, That would mean 24 fighter strike formation achieved nothing?

We have had enough introspection on our side and it's still going on. And it's all in public. Critiques are invited to talk with COAS present, Court-martial is going on the friendly file. All these were critically analyzed on earlier pages of this thread. If you are serious about discussion reply to those with deliberate arguments. For that first, you have to come down from the wonderland.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

PAF base Shahbaz.
Viper 606 being decorated with SU-30 kill marking.
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Why stopping at Su30 only? You could claim F35, Su35 and others too.

already few astrologers in Twitter are predicting similar Balakot type of conflict can occur between March 15 to 30. If any such thing occurs, I just hope that IAF will shoot down F-16 and show the visible proof

Or IAF can opt for old tried and tested strategy of sitting with their tail between their legs, while we are told about another night in some interview before election.

 

[screambowl]

PAF F-16 missile approach warning system.. I am not sure what type it is , but it is there

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Looks like the same f16 which IAF shot down.

 

[safriz]

This claim was originally made by BS Dhona and the specific TV interview in which he made this claim is rediculous as the host was feeding him about what missile abhinandan allegedly fired .

Why bother. I can see you are just posting memorabilia here. How many times have you used 'whatever makes you sleep at night' phrase to avoid real discussions?

Here is abhinandan's chai, his suit his underwear, etc. But hey we could not keep him even for a few days. No introspection on basics, is there any evidence for MKi kill, what about doosra banda, Overwhelming evidence of second crash along Mig-21, Why were all the AIM-120 failed? What would have happened if Abhinandan did not cross LoC, That would mean 24 fighter strike formation achieved nothing?

We have had enough introspection on our side and it's still going on. And it's all in public. Critiques are invited to talk with COAS present, Court-martial is going on the friendly file. All these were critically analyzed on earlier pages of this thread. If you are serious about discussion reply to those with deliberate arguments. For that first, you have to come down from the wonderland.

Yet not a single such statement from the Man himself.
Abhinsndan was a valiant. We know one when when we see one and he was a great soldier.
He knows he didn't shoot anything and he never said so.
Same as any brave soldier would do. Not claim something he hasn't done.
In all honesty if anything or anyone who genuinely surprised us was Abhinandan.
We just didn't expect a man of such great professionalism and such moral values as Abhinandan.

 

[safriz]

Why stopping at Su30 only? You could claim F35, Su35 and others too.


Or IAF can opt for old tried and tested strategy of sitting with their tail between their legs, while we are told about another night in some interview before election.

Likewise why stop at one F-16? Claim a whole squadron.

In any case , for us who are a 1/3rd of an airforce than india and have 1/5 the of the military budget compared to India , attacking India in reply of their attack was still a job well done.
From what Indians think about us, that how week we are, we should not have been able to do anything.. But that day was an eye opener for Indians.

 

[Ashwin]

Likewise why stop at one F-16? Claim a whole squadron.

In any case , for us who are a 1/3rd of an airforce than india and have 1/5 the of the military budget compared to India , attacking India in reply of their attack was still a job well done.
From what Indians think about us, that how week we are, we should not have been able to do anything.. But that day was an eye opener for Indians.

Pakistan never lacked the will to attack. In the entire history of its existence, it was always the first to strike. Even when its probability of achieving the objective is low (71), misjudging the foes will to fight (65) or sheer stupidity (99). Nothing stopped the military state to go berserk in its hope to find relevance.

And the Indians never misjudged you, at least in this regard. It's certain that there will be a response and we were adequately prepared. What we did not expect is ISPR owning up to the balakot strike so publically. Everyone assumed that the response will be of denial like that of surgical strike.

On the flipside, Pakistani deep state was stunned at the Indian resolve to strike its 'mainland' with no regard for consequences. The hard realization that days of 'nuclear bluff' are over and repeated 'strikes' need to be answered became imperative.

End of the day, the balance of power has recalibrated.

@The Deterrent @Falcon