AUKUS : US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China

Well thats your view, chinese also say the same thing about SCS as well. No one gives a f*** about ICJ. Guess what in another 20 years chinese will do the same to guam or japanese islands.

As for as the money is concerned, yeah I will take your word for it.
www.theguardian.com

Just £12,000 of £40m fund for displaced Chagos islanders has been spent

MP representing most of UK’s Chagossians says failure to use compensation money to help those facing hardship is outrageous
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China never agreed the sale/purchase of anything. The CCP took the Chinese mainland from the ROC (Taiwan), so they don't even legitimately own China let alone anything else. It's like if Britain still occupied India and started an argument over the ownership of Sri Lanka and the Indian Ocean. Not even slightly equivalent.

The ones living in the UK are receiving UK benefits, which is far more. Read the article. Picture of a guy with a union jack on his hat complaining that he wants more money. :ROFLMAO:
Less than £12,000 of a £40m fund set up to compensate Chagos islanders who were forcibly evicted from their homeland by the British government has reached those living in the UK.
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BMD said:
China never agreed the sale/purchase of anything. The CCP took the Chinese mainland from the ROC (Taiwan), so they don't even legitimately own China let alone anything else.
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seriously, why would they even purchase it when taiwan was territorially part of china before ?
So why not solve the northern Ireland issue by just paying them off? :ROFLMAO: You ppl are still stuck with colonizers mentality.
BMD said:
The ones living in the UK are receiving UK benefits, which is far more. Read the article. Picture of a guy with a union jack on his hat complaining that he wants more money. :ROFLMAO:
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benefits is not money. If you have 20 wives 20 children will get more benefits in way of tax breaks. If some one breaks your head you will get 2 weeks paid leave benefit, if you die in the process will reimburse funeral expenses. You can add more benefits to your laundry basket as you wish.
 
jetray said:
seriously, why would they even purchase it when taiwan was territorially part of china before ?
So why not solve the northern Ireland issue by just paying them off? :ROFLMAO: You ppl are still stuck with colonizers mentality.

benefits is not money. If you have 20 wives 20 children will get more benefits in way of tax breaks. If some one breaks your head you will get 2 weeks paid leave benefit, if you die in the process will reimburse funeral expenses. You can add more benefits to your laundry basket as you wish.
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You have it wrong, China was territorially part of Taiwan before. The CCP took over the mainland through military coup, they aren't the legitimate government of anything. Northern Ireland wants to be part of the UK.
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1973 Northern Ireland border poll - Wikipedia

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Benefits is very much money. Being in the UK is something a lot of people from Africa and Asia would literally pay money for.

You should educate yourself before posting half-arsed comedy videos.
 
BMD said:
Benefits is very much money. Being in the UK is something a lot of people from Africa and Asia would literally pay money for.

You should educate yourself before posting half-arsed comedy videos.
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I have already given examples why benefits are simply pure s****. Every one knows how your health system runs so well that that ppl would rather go elsewhere rather than die for it.
BMD said:
You have it wrong, China was territorially part of Taiwan before. The CCP took over the mainland through military coup, they aren't the legitimate government of anything.
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really then why did UK give hongkong to them if they are not legitimate? Is head part of your body or body part of your head.
BMD said:
Northern Ireland wants to be part of the UK.
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yeah , all the 180 cntries in the world recognized that 98.9% referendum as absolutely genuine. For all the farts you ppl produce, its still called "northern" Ireland for a good reason.
 
jetray said:
I have already given examples why benefits are simply pure s****. Every one knows how your health system runs so well that that ppl would rather go elsewhere rather than die for it.

really then why did UK give hongkong to them if they are not legitimate? Is head part of your body or body part of your head.

yeah , all the 180 cntries in the world recognized that 98.9% referendum as absolutely genuine. For all the farts you ppl produce, its still called "northern" Ireland for a good reason.
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The health system isn't classed as a benefit, you should look up what benefits are. A person would have to pay taxes on ~£80,000/annum of earnings to make up for the total average package of benefits a UK citizen has access to.

Because HK wasn't defensible.

The nationalists didn't vote but the union voted accounted for 57.5% of the total population of NI, so it would have won anyway.

Aren't facts fun.

Has anyone noticed how when alliances are being made to combat China there are certain antagonists who always pipe up about colonial BS from centuries ago?
 
jetray said:
just like your nonsensical statements.

oops , :LOL:
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Which statements would those be exactly?

Well yeah, you bring up a sale that happened 60 years ago. Let's all sell something, spend the cash and then ask for the item we sold back. Great business plan right there. Why stop there, maybe Russia can ask for Alaska back too.

As for empires, India had several of them too, so let's not play all innocent.
 
jetray said:
Australia is a valid nuclear target say the chinese ,1:51

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More than ever since AUKUS....
BMD said:
www.latribune.fr

Le pacte AUKUS, conséquence de l'inconséquence française

Si l'Australie s'est détournée du partenariat stratégique signé avec la France, c'est en raison de "l’insoutenable légèreté" de Paris sur le dossier calédonien, selon le groupe de réflexions Mars. L'indépendance de la Nouvelle-Calédonie "inquiète au plus haut point Canberra", qui "considère le...
www.latribune.fr www.latribune.fr

@Bon Plan, @Picdelamirand-oil
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Not false. Unfortunately.
 
Paul Buchanan, a NZ political scientist and consultant (36th Parallel Assessments (NZ) | Pacific regional security intelligence forecasting and assessments), gives a broad summary, starting with a 'for dummies' description of the submarines and then an examination of what it means in terms of a new Cold War with China and why most regional states have either welcomed or muted their criticism of the treaty.

Raucous AUKUS Ruckus.​

A significant strategic re-equilibration is underway in the Indo-Pacific. It may eventuate into a geopolitical tectonic shift but at a minimum it entails a reordering of the regional military balan…

www.kiwipolitico.com

The strategy behind AUKUS is simple: make it much harder and far more costly for the PLAN to push its reach beyond the mythical “first island chain” that extends out beyond Japan to the Aleutians in the North and the Philippines and Borneo to the Southeast, encompassing all of the East China and South China Seas and the straits connecting them and the Pacific. The second island chain, which extends from Japan through Guam to Papua New Guinea, has already been mapped by PLAN strategic planners, who have been considering forward basing rights in places like the Solomons, Fiji and, much further to the West, ports in Pakistan and Sri Lanka, extending to the current PLAN base in Djibouti. The Chinese concern with maintaining a permanent maritime presence in the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean is justified: over 95 percent of its oil imports and 80 percent of its trade with Europe, the Middle East and Africa cross the Indian Ocean and pass through the Strait of Malacca. PLAN power projection to the outermost island chain, extending from the Aleutians through Hawai’i to New Zealand, is at this point an aspirational target superseded by the drive to develop a PLAN Indian Ocean fleet while consolidating dominance over the first two island chains.

The cartographic aspect of China's thinking is interesting. We've heard of the 'nine-dash-line' claimed in the South China Sea. This is placed within the 'three-island-chain' schema.

As an aside, it reminds me of my (long ago) architectural education when I studied traditional Chinese concepts of spatiality. The principle of concentric zones and walls/lines is foundational and is reflected in city design and concepts of empire and why China referred to itself as 'the middle kingdom' ('central' is a better translation).

The first image is of the three island chain. The second shows the growth of (mediaeval on Western time scale) Beijing with concentric city walls about the imperial palace complex - the 'Forbidden City', the second illustrates the metaphysical hierarchy of courts within the Forbidden City with the approach to the throne carefully staged and controlled through gated walls and courts. The third shows modern Beijing where the old schema is still clear.

I remember seeing a cartoon years ago of negotiators leaving a meeting and one says to another, 'The problem is that we think we're playing chess while they think they're playing poker'. Coupled with the Belt and Road Initiative, and China's investment in infrastructure for Pacific Island and African nations (which leaves them deep in debt to China), this seems to suggest that China is thinking in terms of architecture - constructing rigid hierarchical defensive structures.

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BMD said:
www.channelnewsasia.com

Singapore welcomes Australia’s assurance that AUKUS will promote 'stable and secure' Asia Pacific: PM Lee

SINGAPORE: Singapore welcomes Australia’s assurance that its recent defence pact with the United States and the United Kingdom will meet a number of criteria including the promotion of a “stable and secure” Asia Pacific region, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Wednesday (Oct 27). Speaking...
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Malaysia is not happy and so is Indonesia
 
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AbRaj said:
They are tilting towards China in hope of some concessions in their claimed territories and off course for money and investment. I assume a Pakistan kinda deal.
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Good honestly. Both are muslims and can't be trusted. We are better off investing in the Singaporeans and Phillipines and they are closer to American sphere of influence too with better training and much more experienced military. I hope we don't sell tejas to the Malaysians they don't deserve it.
 
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Good honestly. Both are muslims and can't be trusted. We are better off investing in the Singaporeans and Phillipines and they are closer to American sphere of influence too with better training and much more experienced military. I hope we don't sell tejas to the Malaysians they don't deserve it.
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LCA has a very slim chances anyway. T50 is the most likely winner unless Chinese are willing to throw their economic might behind their offering
 
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LCA has a very slim chances anyway. T50 is the most likely winner unless Chinese are willing to throw their economic might behind their offering
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I just don't want LCA to win accidentally or otherwise it will be a future security problem for us if the LCA falls in Malaysian hands. We need to get mk2 online before starting to export the LCA but hal is too greedy and incompetent to care for national security.
 
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