Oh good. US and China can have a proxy war and have Australia as a collateral loss. In the footnote of the map, they also need to add, not to scale.
??? I was replying to this post. So 'they' are aei and zack cooper
AUKUS: Flawed by Design?
AUKUS has great potential. It could federate defense by allowing the United States and its allies to field capabilities in larger numbers and at lower cost. But that would require the United States and its allies to jointly procure systems to take advantage of economies of scale.www.aei.org
in summary: three parts of this deal raise questions:
1) This is a Frankenstein deal - Australia is going to buy a handful of two different submarines. We need to acquire allied capabilities at scale. So is this the right approach from a cost and complexity perspective?
2) Buying a few more Virginia-class subs would be cheaper and easier than a whole new AUKUS-class. So might a future Aussie government facing budget shortfalls rethink this approach and cancel its Phase 3 participation despite the political costs of doing so?
3) This plan effectively cuts 3-5 Virginia-class subs from the U.S. inventory in our greatest time of need. Australia is a sovereign country that can and should make its own deployment decisions. Is losing ~1/10th of the U.S. sub fleet the right choice in this timeframe?
(Zack Cooper)
Australian SSNs will open up opportunities for advanced undersea operations | The Strategist
The announcement of the agreed pathway for Australia to acquire nuclear-powered submarines (SSNs) under the AUKUS deal provides clarity about how and when Australia will have this important capability. The process begins with an increased ...
Yo pops ! It seems not all Aussies are like you , Some of them are actually intelligent which makes them think & as with all thinking people , they then ask troubling questions like your ex PMs cutting across the political spectrum like Keating & Turnbull. According to Keating , Wong the dyke & Miles took Albanese for a ride otherwise he was , err .. for want of a better word actually intelligent .
Now he's a true Aussie like you .
@Optimist
On the implications of AUKUS arrangements for India; pic.twitter.com/ruGfFFdUmG
— C. Raja Mohan (@MohanCRaja) March 15, 2023
on the planet. The members are the native English-speaking countries of the world, with a leadership elite that is predominantly Anglo-Saxon (the US, Britain, Canada, Australia & New Zealand).
— Jai Menon (@jai_menon) March 17, 2023
2. These states are the offspring of the British Empire, and are bound together by 2/n
3. What consolidates these links is a further, deeper, psychological connect arising from their "island state" reality. All of them are separated from Eurasia & Africa by huge water bodies: The Atlantic/Pacific (US/Canada), The English Channel (UK), The Pacific (Australia/NZ) 4/n
— Jai Menon (@jai_menon) March 17, 2023
it takes on existential dimensions immediately (Battle of Britain, or 9/11 reactions in the US).
— Jai Menon (@jai_menon) March 17, 2023
4. In fact, Britain & its successor the US regard the Eurasian/African landmasses as places where they can act with impunity with no pushback. This was so before World War 2, 6/n
until control can be established. The point being that the Anglosphere island will seek control or chaos in Eurasia, never stability.
— Jai Menon (@jai_menon) March 17, 2023
5. So when a "unique set of arrangements" is seen as a way forward, it would do well to keep in mind that what is happening in continental 8/n
Europe to EU member states - not to mention Ukraine - is the result of an a "unique set of arrangements" post-WW2, both bilateral & multilateral. The Anglosphere works only for itself, starting with its most powerful constituent. Given past experience, India must be wary. 9/END
— Jai Menon (@jai_menon) March 17, 2023
20 off-the-shelf conventional subs, built in Australia, for $30B, … OR … 8 new design nuclear subs, likely built overseas, for $368B? 20 conventional subs would do the job and leave $338B for other needs. #auspol #AUKUS #USUKA #TheWorstDealInHistory https://t.co/hpOGwzcVoj
— Rex Patrick (@MrRexPatrick) March 24, 2023
***BREAKING***
— H I Sutton (@CovertShores) April 1, 2023
France is joining #AUKUS submarine program with Australia, Britain and U.S!
Who is next? https://t.co/Evd5i4HKdZ
FAUKUS ( to be pronounced FUKUS as the A is irrelevant therefore silent...in more ways than one) is now a reality. What goes around comes around eh pops? @Optimist
France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program - Naval News
Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France.
www.navalnews.com
France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program
Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France. The United States is also providing key elements, including interim submarines for the Royal Australian Navy.
AUKUS: Flawed by Design?
AUKUS has great potential. It could federate defense by allowing the United States and its allies to field capabilities in larger numbers and at lower cost. But that would require the United States and its allies to jointly procure systems to take advantage of economies of scale.
in summary: three parts of this deal raise questions:
1) This is a Frankenstein deal - Australia is going to buy a handful of two different submarines. We need to acquire allied capabilities at scale. So is this the right approach from a cost and complexity perspective?
2) Buying a few more Virginia-class subs would be cheaper and easier than a whole new AUKUS-class. So might a future Aussie government facing budget shortfalls rethink this approach and cancel its Phase 3 participation despite the political costs of doing so?
3) This plan effectively cuts 3-5 Virginia-class subs from the U.S. inventory in our greatest time of need. Australia is a sovereign country that can and should make its own deployment decisions. Is losing ~1/10th of the U.S. sub fleet the right choice in this timeframe?
(Zack Cooper)
It's possible the leased Virginias will be decommissioned by the time the AUKUS design is delivered.
France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program - Naval News
Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France.
France Joins AUKUS Submarine Program
Under extended plans, France will join the AUKUS submarine program. This will see advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines built for Australia, United Kingdom and France. The United States is also providing key elements, including interim submarines for the Royal Australian Navy.
France has come back to haunt Australia.
I suppose they determined France's LEU reactors are the most important component versus HEU. It's the least controversial.
@Picdelamirand-oil
If only it wasn't April 1st.
Yes, it is a risk. And there are so many uncertainties and problems to overcome with this aukus deal
I think most risk is political. The UK needs a new class of subs anyway, and Australia will provide additional funds for their own version. This is like India's FGFA. UK does all the work, Australia gets some production and final assembly. In the meantime, the US will provide a downgraded sub. There's no real technical risk from the Aussie side except production.
The real problem will come when others start emulating it. I don't think the US will be able to stop the Chinese from doing this with other countries after a decade. Turkey could become a potential partner alongside Iran. That's a real headache for both our countries.
France Joins US, UK And Australia in AUKUS Submarine Program to Counter Chinese Influence In Indo-Pacific: Report
France has joined the previously tri-national AUKUS submarine program, reported Naval News. Notably, the French government is yet to issue an official statement in this regard., World News, Times Now
Times Now fell for the joke.
We stand corrected pops. The F-35 as it exists today is already downgraded . By design not by default.Is this like the downgraded F-35?
Why China Should Worry About Asia’s Reaction to AUKUS
Even some non-aligned countries have cautiously signaled support.
foreignpolicy.com
nothing about Indonesia, Malaysia, ... or India?Why China Should Worry About Asia’s Reaction to AUKUS
Even some non-aligned countries have cautiously signaled support.foreignpolicy.com
