Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

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"Mono-pulse mode" if you are wondering is a mode of tracking by the onboard seeker of the Brahmos. This option wasn't previously available until the introduction of this seeker :

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Ok so this is good news

IAF to gets its most lethal air-launched weapon "in a matter of weeks"

Top commander confirms that the Brahmos cruise missile now has an extended range of 450 km

July 29, 2019 By Vishal Thapar Video(s): By SP Guide Pubns Photo(s): By IAF



Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief Western Air Command, announcing on SP's Digital that the IAF shall wield the "very spectacular, very accurate" Brahmos "in just a matter of weeks"

The air-launched Brahmos cruise missile will be an operational weapon of the Indian Air Force (IAF) "in a matter of weeks". This will be India's most lethal conventional air-to-ground weapon.

"It is undergoing a set of trials. But it is working and it has shown itself to be very spectacular, very accurate and we're in the process of operationalising it. It is just a matter of maybe weeks or months before we have a capability," Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of India's Western Air Command told SP's in an exclusive interview.

He made this disclosure while talking about the significant upgrades in IAF capability since the Kargil War of 1999.

"Our weapon systems have improved tremendously. The Laser-Guided Bombs (during the Kargil War) could go 7,8, 10 km from the aircraft. Today, we have stand-off weapons like the Spice 2000 and the Crystal Maze which go (across) a much longer range. The Brahmos for example can go up to 450 km. I mean that is the IAF capability today. We've made a huge jump in capability terms," he told SP's.

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BRAHMOS MUSCLE: Induction of a 450-km range terrain-hugging air-launched supersonic cruise missile will add punch and depth to India's stand-off precision attack capability

This acknowledgement confirms SP's report of July 19 on the range of the Brahmos missile being increased from 290 km to 450 km on account of India's membership of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), which bars export of missiles or missile technology to a non-member where the weapon range is over 300 km. India was accepted as a full member of the MTCR in 2016, and the earlier restrictions imposed by the global export-control regime no longer apply to it (MTCR relaxations: Range of India's Brahmos cruise missiles increased to 450 km) .

Brahmos has been co-developed with Russia and is produced in India.

SP's also reported exclusively that 42 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters of the IAF will be armed with the air-launched Brahmos. The availability of this weapon increases India military options for launching surprise precision cross-border attacks from a stand-off range. It is a formidable weapon because it is difficult to detect and intercept in terrain-hugging flight mode at speeds up to 2.8 Mach.

IAF to gets its most lethal air–launched weapon “in a matter of weeks”
 
This is frankly tiresome to come across nowadays. Everybody is "negotiating", yet nobody is going anywhere. Thailand is in & Vietnam is out ? why ? Although I do like the steps taken to improve relations with the ASEAN.

Thailand in talks with India to buy BrahMos cruise missiles

By Dinakar Peri
New Delhi
Published : July 31, 2019 22:20 IST
Updated : August 01, 2019 06:34 IST
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Photo : Indian Navy Destroyer INS Rajput fires a Brahmos cruise missile from one her rear cannisters. Photo Courtesy : Indian Navy

The two navies are working closely in the areas of disaster risk management, maritime security safety, information sharing and interoperability

In possibly the first sale of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles to another country, Thailand is in talks with India for their purchase, official sources said. A few other countries have also expressed interest in BrahMos but nothing has fructified yet.

“Negotiations are on. It may not happen this year, but most likely next year,” diplomatic sources said. While Thailand expressed interest in the missiles some time back, discussions picked pace after the visit of Royal Thai Navy Chief Admiral Ruddit to India in December last year.

As part of the expanding defence cooperation between the two countries, Thailand has made a request for repair and refurbishing their Dornier maritime patrol aircraft.A joint team of Indian Navy, Bharat Electronics Limited and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited visited Thailand in mid-June to discuss the issue,” a defence source said.

In addition, Thailand Navy is looking to increase its capabilities and planning to induct more ships, defence sources said. In line with that, Indian Navy is exploring opportunities wherein India could help in ship design and has even “offered ship construction at the various defence public sector undertaking shipyards.” “The Indian Navy’s foreign cooperation initiatives include highlighting the capability of various Defence Public Sector Undertakings and Indian defence industry to friendly foreign navies,” the defence source stated.

Discussions are on to integrate Thailand into India’s coastal surveillance radar chain network which sources is “likely to be finalised by year end.” Several littoral states including Maldives and Seychelles have already been integrated into it.

Trilateral exercise

The inaugural India, Thailand and Singapore trilateral naval exercise announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his address at Shangri-La dialogue in June 2018 is scheduled to be held later this year. Finalising the exercise got delayed and it got a push during the visit of Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba to Thailand in April.

“India will host the first edition of the exercise in September this year,” diplomatic sources said adding Singapore will host the second edition and Thailand the third. The Initial Planning Conference to discuss the modalities of the exercise was held in May and the Final Planning Conference to finalise the details is scheduled to be held in August, officials said. Malaysia has also evinced interest in joining the exercise.

The two navies already conduct a Coordinated Patrol (CORPAT) and a new bilateral exercise is also in the works apart from the trilateral. As members of the Indian Ocean rim association (IORA) and Indian Ocean Naval symposium (IONS), navies of India and Thailand are working closely in the areas of disaster risk management, maritime security safety, information sharing and interoperability.

Thailand in talks with India to buy BrahMos cruise missiles
 
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This is frankly tiresome to come across nowadays. Everybody is "negotiating", yet nobody is going anywhere. Thailand is in & Vietnam is out ? why ? Although I do like the steps taken to improve relations with the ASEAN.

Russia has the VETO power
 
Russia has the VETO power
Russians have no problem selling Kilos, sukhois, Gepard class ships, tanks, helos etc to the Vietnamese. What difference would the Brahmos alone make ?

The only piece of IP they own of the current Brahmos is the engine, which is also made in India. There are plans to upgrade the engine and replace the old one to increase velocity and range, remember the news articles about increasing speed to near Mach 5 ?

When we got our own seeker on the Brahmos, the Russians were complaining about how they only have IP of the engine left with them and thus the license fee for every unit of Brahmos has reduced substantially. Delhi decided to go slow over the upgrade of engines largely to keep the Russians happy. Any veto of potential sale would only increase our desire to replace the engines.
 
In one word - China.

China believes it can not counter Brahmos currently, which India can btw, thanks to Barak 8.

Is BARAK-8 the Antidote to Brahmos? - DefenceLover
I know that. Isn't the effectiveness of the weapon the whole point of selling the weapon ? If it was useless who would buy that ? In any case we need to get rid of the last bit of Russian tech in the Brahmos. I am pretty sure we can do a better job than what we are doing at trying to sell the Brahmos.

Even if the Brahmos is off the table there is no lack of other weapons that can get the job done. How about the Shaurya missile ? Its quasi ballistic with a velocity of around Mach 7.5. The unpredictable flight path combined with blistering speed should cause a lot of pain to enemy AD. The range will be a problem for the MTCR, but that can be capped.

We are not even trying.
 
I know that. Isn't the effectiveness of the weapon the whole point of selling the weapon ? If it was useless who would buy that ? In any case we need to get rid of the last bit of Russian tech in the Brahmos. I am pretty sure we can do a better job than what we are doing at trying to sell the Brahmos.

Even if the Brahmos is off the table there is no lack of other weapons that can get the job done. How about the Shaurya missile ? Its quasi ballistic with a velocity of around Mach 7.5. The unpredictable flight path combined with blistering speed should cause a lot of pain to enemy AD. The range will be a problem for the MTCR, but that can be capped.

We are not even trying.

These reports of Brahmos sales are just signals given by India to China's policymakers that we can make life difficult for you too.I have been reading these reports since 2010 atleast.To me China and India seem to have a tacit understanding not to supply qualitative game changing weapons to each others adversaries.Even the capabilities of JF-17 were calibrated downwards during its development, citing lack of funds, to only deter India, unlike USA which was happy to supply F-16 in the 80s or before that the starfighter to Pakistan.

Any sale of Brahmos in the vicinity of China is not going to happen,unless China feels comfortable enough to deal with it because of two reasons.
1. Russia simply wont allow it.Relentless NATO pressure since 90s has pushed them deep into China's orbit.
2. If we sell one weapon to say Vietnam which China cant counter, China will sell 5 weapons to Pakistan which we cant counter.
And we can not afford to get in a escalatory confrontation with an economy 5 times our size unless we plan to end up broke like Pakistan of today and even then we will still end up loosing, just like Pakistan of today.
 
If we sell one weapon to say Vietnam which China cant counter, China will sell 5 weapons to Pakistan which we cant counter.
I can agree with the rest but this I can't agree with. The Pakistani ballistic missiles are Chinese supplied, China is selling subs and ships to them, not to mention the support they provided to Pak in the development of nuclear weapons. Whatever understanding you claim we have with the Chinese doesn't stop them from doing anything. It only stops us. If they can supply nukes to Pak we should be supplying missiles to the ASEAN.

The only to counter China is the Doklam way. Back paddling diplomatic nonsense gets us nothing.
 
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These reports of Brahmos sales are just signals given by India to China's policymakers that we can make life difficult for you too.I have been reading these reports since 2010 atleast.To me China and India seem to have a tacit understanding not to supply qualitative game changing weapons to each others adversaries.Even the capabilities of JF-17 were calibrated downwards during its development, citing lack of funds, to only deter India, unlike USA which was happy to supply F-16 in the 80s or before that the starfighter to Pakistan.

Any sale of Brahmos in the vicinity of China is not going to happen,unless China feels comfortable enough to deal with it because of two reasons.
1. Russia simply wont allow it.Relentless NATO pressure since 90s has pushed them deep into China's orbit.
2. If we sell one weapon to say Vietnam which China cant counter, China will sell 5 weapons to Pakistan which we cant counter.
And we can not afford to get in a escalatory confrontation with an economy 5 times our size unless we plan to end up broke like Pakistan of today and even then we will still end up loosing, just like Pakistan of today.
Good points but if there was some tacit agreement between India & China, how do you explain the sale of the Yuan class SSK's with AIP and the modification of it to carry SLCM's - the proverbial second strike capability of Pakistan. Further, there are unconfirmed reports that Block III JF-17 will be equipped with Chinese make BVRAAM's of up to 200 kms.
 
The only piece of IP they own of the current Brahmos is the engine, which is also made in India.
Is it for a fact? There once was an interview a year or so back of Dr Sivathanu Pillai , where he mentioned that engine is a blackbox they get from Russia, and hnoring the agreement, they (DRDO) never opens it to peek inside.

Russians have no problem selling Kilos, sukhois, Gepard class ships, tanks, helos etc to the Vietnamese. What difference would the Brahmos alone make ?
Don't the russians undercut us by offering Yakhont-the original one ?
 
Pretty sure Thailand are Chinese puppets, so I wouldn't sell them the Brahmos. But regardless of how Russia feels about it, India should either sell the Brahmos or spread the knowhow/technology behind it to Vietnam and any other country standing up to the Chinese. Once all of the anti-Chinese East Asian littoral states have Brahmos batteries along their coastlines, RIP PLAN.
 
Good points but if there was some tacit agreement between India & China, how do you explain the sale of the Yuan class SSK's with AIP and the modification of it to carry SLCM's - the proverbial second strike capability of Pakistan. Further, there are unconfirmed reports that Block III JF-17 will be equipped with Chinese make BVRAAM's of up to 200 kms.

I don't know.Maybe I am wrong.Maybe the subs come with assurance from Pakistan and China they will only be used if Pakistan faces existential threat/ for deterrence.Maybe China wouldnt have sold these subs if we had something similar to sell to Taiwan or any of SCS claimants and if they had appetite to buy from us.
 
Is it for a fact? There once was an interview a year or so back of Dr Sivathanu Pillai , where he mentioned that engine is a blackbox they get from Russia, and hnoring the agreement, they (DRDO) never opens it to peek inside.
That used to be the case a long time back. But it stated changing around 2010s :

“The BATL has already bagged orders worth Rs. 190 crore for various products, including Rs. 65 crore from the Indian Space Research Organisation. Given its performance, we have decided to ask it to make the entire BrahMos missile, including the nose cap, the whole of F3 [the missile section comprising airframe and fuel tank] and the ramjet engine. In effect, it will be the complete missile except the composite part and warhead. Anyway, the BATL is already making some critical airframe components of the missile such as the front docking unit and the shutter assembly,” BrahMos Chief Executive Officer A. Sivathanu Pillai told The Hindu at an interaction in New Delhi last week.

BATL set to make BrahMos engines

Don't the russians undercut us by offering Yakhont-the original one ?
The original is the P-800 Onyx, Yakhont is the export version(290 kms) version of the original. It still uses the older bulky seeker with reduced performance, no monopulse mode etc. Also continues to use the older Onyx engine with reduced fuel load, that's inefficient. It won't have the support and upgradation package of the Brahmos which is planned to be upgraded to Mach 5 and 800 km range.(probably can't sell that version)

Also labour costs in Russia are higher than India. I don't see how they undercut us. They could try to blockade us to help their exports. But thats not undercutting.
 
I don't see how they undercut us
Meant the same. A combo of veto on Indian sales coupled with offer of equivalent or near equivalent russian products, packaged as a system, say coupled to an order of frigates etc is what I heard, is one of the stumbling block in exports. But i defer to posters who have better and accurate info