"Mono-pulse mode" if you are wondering is a mode of tracking by the onboard seeker of the Brahmos. This option wasn't previously available until the introduction of this seeker :
This is frankly tiresome to come across nowadays. Everybody is "negotiating", yet nobody is going anywhere. Thailand is in & Vietnam is out ? why ? Although I do like the steps taken to improve relations with the ASEAN.
Russians have no problem selling Kilos, sukhois, Gepard class ships, tanks, helos etc to the Vietnamese. What difference would the Brahmos alone make ?Russia has the VETO power
Russians have no problem selling Kilos, sukhois, Gepard class ships, tanks, helos etc to the Vietnamese. What difference would the Brahmos alone make ?
I know that. Isn't the effectiveness of the weapon the whole point of selling the weapon ? If it was useless who would buy that ? In any case we need to get rid of the last bit of Russian tech in the Brahmos. I am pretty sure we can do a better job than what we are doing at trying to sell the Brahmos.In one word - China.
China believes it can not counter Brahmos currently, which India can btw, thanks to Barak 8.
Is BARAK-8 the Antidote to Brahmos? - DefenceLover
I know that. Isn't the effectiveness of the weapon the whole point of selling the weapon ? If it was useless who would buy that ? In any case we need to get rid of the last bit of Russian tech in the Brahmos. I am pretty sure we can do a better job than what we are doing at trying to sell the Brahmos.
Even if the Brahmos is off the table there is no lack of other weapons that can get the job done. How about the Shaurya missile ? Its quasi ballistic with a velocity of around Mach 7.5. The unpredictable flight path combined with blistering speed should cause a lot of pain to enemy AD. The range will be a problem for the MTCR, but that can be capped.
We are not even trying.
I can agree with the rest but this I can't agree with. The Pakistani ballistic missiles are Chinese supplied, China is selling subs and ships to them, not to mention the support they provided to Pak in the development of nuclear weapons. Whatever understanding you claim we have with the Chinese doesn't stop them from doing anything. It only stops us. If they can supply nukes to Pak we should be supplying missiles to the ASEAN.If we sell one weapon to say Vietnam which China cant counter, China will sell 5 weapons to Pakistan which we cant counter.
Good points but if there was some tacit agreement between India & China, how do you explain the sale of the Yuan class SSK's with AIP and the modification of it to carry SLCM's - the proverbial second strike capability of Pakistan. Further, there are unconfirmed reports that Block III JF-17 will be equipped with Chinese make BVRAAM's of up to 200 kms.These reports of Brahmos sales are just signals given by India to China's policymakers that we can make life difficult for you too.I have been reading these reports since 2010 atleast.To me China and India seem to have a tacit understanding not to supply qualitative game changing weapons to each others adversaries.Even the capabilities of JF-17 were calibrated downwards during its development, citing lack of funds, to only deter India, unlike USA which was happy to supply F-16 in the 80s or before that the starfighter to Pakistan.
Any sale of Brahmos in the vicinity of China is not going to happen,unless China feels comfortable enough to deal with it because of two reasons.
1. Russia simply wont allow it.Relentless NATO pressure since 90s has pushed them deep into China's orbit.
2. If we sell one weapon to say Vietnam which China cant counter, China will sell 5 weapons to Pakistan which we cant counter.
And we can not afford to get in a escalatory confrontation with an economy 5 times our size unless we plan to end up broke like Pakistan of today and even then we will still end up loosing, just like Pakistan of today.
Is it for a fact? There once was an interview a year or so back of Dr Sivathanu Pillai , where he mentioned that engine is a blackbox they get from Russia, and hnoring the agreement, they (DRDO) never opens it to peek inside.The only piece of IP they own of the current Brahmos is the engine, which is also made in India.
Don't the russians undercut us by offering Yakhont-the original one ?Russians have no problem selling Kilos, sukhois, Gepard class ships, tanks, helos etc to the Vietnamese. What difference would the Brahmos alone make ?
Good points but if there was some tacit agreement between India & China, how do you explain the sale of the Yuan class SSK's with AIP and the modification of it to carry SLCM's - the proverbial second strike capability of Pakistan. Further, there are unconfirmed reports that Block III JF-17 will be equipped with Chinese make BVRAAM's of up to 200 kms.
That used to be the case a long time back. But it stated changing around 2010s :Is it for a fact? There once was an interview a year or so back of Dr Sivathanu Pillai , where he mentioned that engine is a blackbox they get from Russia, and hnoring the agreement, they (DRDO) never opens it to peek inside.
The original is the P-800 Onyx, Yakhont is the export version(290 kms) version of the original. It still uses the older bulky seeker with reduced performance, no monopulse mode etc. Also continues to use the older Onyx engine with reduced fuel load, that's inefficient. It won't have the support and upgradation package of the Brahmos which is planned to be upgraded to Mach 5 and 800 km range.(probably can't sell that version)Don't the russians undercut us by offering Yakhont-the original one ?
Meant the same. A combo of veto on Indian sales coupled with offer of equivalent or near equivalent russian products, packaged as a system, say coupled to an order of frigates etc is what I heard, is one of the stumbling block in exports. But i defer to posters who have better and accurate infoI don't see how they undercut us
Good. Actually double the numbers.