This is the rbe 2 aa radar and f35 radar
This is the 111th production rafale said to have rbe 2aa
Are these same or are they different. Also do we have the photo of the 2012 rbe 2 aesa??
This is one for the f3r standard. They look the same to me..
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This is the 111th production rafale said to have rbe 2aa
Are these same or are they different. Also do we have the photo of the 2012 rbe 2 aesa??
This is one for the f3r standard. They look the same to me..
Read all the post before writing another BS news.
The only pic available for RBE2 "active antenna" is that one.
A 12+ YEARS OLD PIC, OF A PROTOTYP ONLY, MADE OF VERY AVERAGE US MODULES, AND CALLED RBE2 AA.
THERE IS NO OFFICIAL PIC OF THE SERIALY PRODUCE RBE2 AESA
RBE2 AESA is a different beast then RBE2 AA.
Okay ?
I understand that there are three radars.
Rbe 2 pesa
Rbe 2 aa which is on the first pic
Rbe 2 aesa which seems to be the third pic.
Am I getting this right??
Also are you saying the third pic is not rbe 2 aesa when it clearly says that it's rbe 2 aesa. The trm count isn't done on the third pic. Or is it rbe 2 aa being shown as rbe 2 aesa??
Actual module numbers are military secrets. We only get ballpark figures for operational models. So the F-35's and Rafale's shows in the pic are not operational versions, they are likely prototypes or just models.
Also, the F-35's TRM count is not correct, the person who counted 1600+ later changed it to 1400+ because he claimed he counted the crests rather than the troughs since the F-35 uses Vivaldi antennas, he didn't know that. He ended up double counting at the edges. But then, it's only a model.
There is no pic of the true serially produced antenna.
Don't use old pic or scale model. The real figure is highly secret.
You're assuming the French were progressing at the same rate, seems unlikely given that their first AESA came 10 years later.
By that token the Captor-E must be 10 years ahead of the RBE2-AA. See what happens when you make assumptions?
And why would the number of modules be a secret?
Oh of course, those terrible plane manufacturers Lockheed of the F-22, SR-71, F-16, F-35, F-117A etc. You only have to look at the fact the French serve up frogs legs and pigeons as a delicacy to understand the quality of Gallic marketing.
They used better hardware components. You really think countries don't skip generations when they are developing for a later date?
IAF's Uttam radar will be GaN for the production models. So our first AESA will be GaN.
Yes, I believe exactly that. If the govts funding the programs have done their due diligence, the Captor-E and Raven's radar should be 10 years ahead. But that's only if they have done their due diligence. It's 'cause any new hardware will be significantly more expensive, whereas the hardware used on the Rafale will be significantly cheaper due to its maturity and long production run. Then it also depends on whether the TRMs the French created have already achieved the peak or at least approaches the peak for GaAs. If that happens then they might be similar.
We know for a fact that Rafale's TRMs are definitely superior to the ones used in American radars, dunno about SABR and RACR, but not so with APG-77 and 81. They decided to keep it cheap for the F-35 for whatever reason. The problem is the F-35 should have achieved FOC in 2014, and gotten a hardware update by now. Their miscalculation has cost them dearly.
The Rafale F4.2 will slaughter all these radars in quality and capability, so there's no use being slightly better than the Rafale today. Hopefully your Radar 2 will keep up, whenever it gets ready.
Exact numbers gives away too many answers. Like the exact power, exact beamwidth, extent of multi-function capability etc. Right now most of those are simply guesstimated. It's actually why there's not a single picture of an operational AESA radar available anywhere for any fighter jet. The only photos available are for prototypes and models.
Even the Russians have only showed off prototypes. Their actual production models are secret.
Boeing designed the 707, 727, 747,757, 767 and even the 777 and 787, but that didn't stop the 737 MAX.
It's funny how you don
It's funny how the same assumptions aren't made for Captor-E huh?
Or is it possible they reached the peak?
Not unless you know the output for each modules, or the size or the frequency-switching speed. Really the number of modules is just marketing PR, which is why I'm surprised the French haven't released it, unless it casts the RBE2-AA in bad light.
Sergey and Oleg have already provided us details of the Russian system.
The 737s problems are fixable software issues.
Naturally I do. All we know for sure is the French used superior hardware components compared to the Americans and other Europeans benefit from such development. If Captor-E is a better radar than RBE-2 AESA, then by extension it's obviously better than American radars as well.
There's nothing great about making a better radar than the RBE-2 AESA in 2021, even the French have moved on to better things.
Simply put, the Americans used tech invented in the 90s in the Raptor, the French used tech from early 2000s, and, if Airbus is sensible, they have used tech from late 2000s and early 2010s in the Captor-E rather than whatever was made for the RBE-2 AESA.
No one outside can tell. Maybe RBE-2 AESA is the peak, maybe Captor-E is the peak, maybe the peak is yet to be reached. We are never gonna find out anytime soon.
No one has released it though. We only have ballpark estimates for all operational fighter jet radars.
Everything else can be deduced since GaAs is already approaching or arrived at its peak. It's only the actual number of TRMs that are impossible to deduce.
We don't really know the F-35 does use the same components as the F-22. It certainly doesn't use the same stealth material for instance and has many times the processing power.
All I can say is that the Rafale radome is very small relative to other fighters, that doesn't bode well for the size of the radar or heat dissipation capabilities.
They don't lack any skills. They were acting cheap at Boeing outsourcing a critical function like that without adequate bench testing done for its validation.
F-35 may be a different case altogether.
Yes, relative to France, those great software geniuses....
Long ago I read an article which quoted important people within the program that claimed the F-35 uses the same avionics hardware as the F-22 since they wanted to keep the program cheap. Today there are naturally talks of replacing those avionics, like the radar, with better ones. This naturally means the avionics on the F-35 are now pretty old.
Anyway here's something that repeats the asme.
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Apparently both use the same 2nd gen TRMs.
Processing power changes every few years, there's nothing strange about that. The MKI's MC has changed 3 or 4 times in the last 20 years. Today it has IMA.
Yep. It's small. One of the reasons why there was talk of removing the radar and placing it all over the body. Anyway, even if it's small it provides anywhere between an estimated around 250Km against a 3m2 target if you simply double their advertised value for PESA, as per their claim. They claimed double performance over the PESA's 140Km against a 3m2 target, so that actually comes up to 280Km.
So, if the Captor-E uses the same hardware as the RBE-2 AESA, it could even match Irbis-E's 350Km performance. So all these figures are way above the capabilities of the older American radars on the F-22 or the F-35, 'cause we know for a fact that the F-35 falls short of the F-22, and the F-22 definitely falls short of the Irbis-E. Dunno if it's the same case with SH B3 and F-15EX.
We know the 100-150mi refers to a 1m2 target. So that's up to 130-200mi or 210-315 Km against a 3m2 target. So the average comes to 260Km, which is no different from the Rafale's 250 or 280Km. Naturally, 'cause the Rafale uses significantly superior hardware given its size.
So the Captor-E should have the same advantage, possibly even beating the Irbis-E using RBE-2 AESA's TRMs, never mind something better. Whether the software is up to code, that's debatable, that's where even the F-35 is stuck at.
Aren't the Russian using first gen aesa for byelka? Irbis should certainly inferior to both apg 81 and apg 77 maybe the byelka might match it's performance..Long ago I read an article which quoted important people within the program that claimed the F-35 uses the same avionics hardware as the F-22 since they wanted to keep the program cheap. Today there are naturally talks of replacing those avionics, like the radar, with better ones. This naturally means the avionics on the F-35 are now pretty old.
Anyway here's something that repeats the asme.
The current F-22 production radar is the APG-77v1, which draws heavily on APG-81 hardware and software for its advanced air-to-ground capabilities.Lockheed Martin F 35 Lightning II, The Smartest Guy Around.
It is an American Single Engine, Medium Capability Fifth Generation Fighter. There is a family of different aircrafts based on F 35. The F 35 is currently being introduced in service. F 35 is a...fullafterburner.weebly.com
Apparently both use the same 2nd gen TRMs.
Processing power changes every few years, there's nothing strange about that. The MKI's MC has changed 3 or 4 times in the last 20 years. Today it has IMA.
Yep. It's small. One of the reasons why there was talk of removing the radar and placing it all over the body. Anyway, even if it's small it provides anywhere between an estimated around 250Km against a 3m2 target if you simply double their advertised value for PESA, as per their claim. They claimed double performance over the PESA's 140Km against a 3m2 target, so that actually comes up to 280Km.
So, if the Captor-E uses the same hardware as the RBE-2 AESA, it could even match Irbis-E's 350Km performance. So all these figures are way above the capabilities of the older American radars on the F-22 or the F-35, 'cause we know for a fact that the F-35 falls short of the F-22, and the F-22 definitely falls short of the Irbis-E. Dunno if it's the same case with SH B3 and F-15EX.
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We know the 100-150mi refers to a 1m2 target. So that's up to 130-200mi or 210-315 Km against a 3m2 target. So the average comes to 260Km, which is no different from the Rafale's 250 or 280Km. Naturally, 'cause the Rafale uses significantly superior hardware given its size.
So the Captor-E should have the same advantage, possibly even beating the Irbis-E using RBE-2 AESA's TRMs, never mind something better. Whether the software is up to code, that's debatable, that's where even the F-35 is stuck at.
The first and second gen terms used here are not based on a defined standard. It only concerns Northrop Grumman's internal classification.