British/Italian Tempest (GCAP) Fighter : News and Discussion
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Meteor, Brimstone II, Taranis, Starstreak II, APKWS II, CAMM, some Type 45s, Astute SSNs etc. participation in the F-35.
Tejas is a Mirage III wannabe 60 years late to the party.
The most advanced naval radar in NATO currently sits on a Type 45.
It's clear neither of you two imbeciles know what you're talking about on this matter.
You clearly don't understand what aerospace is. Missiles are aerospace.
Flown successfully, concept proven, possible use in future loyal-wingman-type concepts.
Let me narrow it down to platforms since that's what you were discussing for the past few pages.
Flown successfully & concept proven with the last flight in 2013 after which penury forced you to join the French bandwagon - nEUron & that's where the project is as of now with you at the mercy of the French.
Your loyal wingman would fly subject to the mother ship - the Tempest being proven which as of now is still on the drawing board awaiting clearance & a budget. It's another matter how technologies pf the last decade would be relevant in the 2030's when the Taranis would be needed.
The fact is the last time Britain developed a fighter jet on its own was the Sea Harrier. Whereas our Mirage III wannabe is still better configured than a Typhoon.
The most advanced naval radar in the world sits atop the Kolkata class destroyer. What's your point? The SAMPSON is nothing impressive compared to what the Israelis have achieved. It's a pretty old radar by today's standards as well, whereas the MFSTAR comes with GaN and digital beamforming.
Dude, you fail basic math when comparing Gripen and Typhoon radars. Please stop assuming you know this subject.
Yeah, and that 1960s Harrier was one of the most successful aircraft ever and is still in service with many today. Don't know what point you were making there.
The S1850 is more advanced.
Look up the gain equation. Transmitted power 1.5x higher, Gain^2 2.25x higher, 3.375^(0.25) x better. 36% better at detection, engagement and EA.
Platforms don't come around often but clearly Typhoon, Taranis and the F-35 are more advanced than any cack you've been gluing togteher.
No, Tempest was started. nEUROn is nothing to do with us.
Tempest is progressing at the rate you would expect for an aircraft at this stage. Ever heard of left shift? Left shift is used so you don't end up with shite like the Su-57, or Nimrod for that matter. We've learn painful lesson in aircraft development and left shift is so we don't repeat them. You have these painful lessons yet to learn.
RAF to start production of high-speed unmanned drone prototype
Production of the RAF's new unmanned high-speed 'loyal wingman' combat drone is set to begin in Northern Ireland in a £30million project, the Ministry of Defence has announced.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Spirit AeroSystems (pictured), in Belfast, has been selected to lead Team Mosquito in the next phase of Project Mosquito
'This is a great win for the Northern Ireland defence industry and will showcase some of the most pioneering engineering work currently being undertaken in the UK,' UK Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quin said.
'The £30 million project will accelerate the development of the UK's future air power by delivering cutting-edge uncrewed aircraft, maintaining our position as a world leader in emerging technologies.'
The director of Future Combat Air at the MoD, Richard Berthon, said: 'Project Mosquito is a vital element of our approach to Future Combat Air, rapidly bringing to life design, build and test skills for next generation combat air capabilities.
'Autonomous 'loyal wingman' aircraft create the opportunity to expand, diversify and rapidly upgrade Combat Air Forces in a cost-effective way, now and in the future.'
British shell out seed funding for ‘loyal wingman’ combat drone
If the project is successful, the "Mosquito" loyal wingman platform could eventually become the first drone in British service able to target and shoot down enemy aircraft.
www.defensenews.com
British shell out seed funding for ‘loyal wingman’ combat drone
By: Andrew Chuter 19 hours ago
Computer-generated image of the Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft (LANCA) concept flying alongside an F-35B. (British MOD image)
LONDON — A British initiative to develop an unmanned air vehicle known as a “loyal wingman” has received a boost with the announcement by the Ministry of Defence that a Spirit AeroSystems-led consortium is to build a full-scale test vehicle.
The Belfast, Northern Ireland-based arm of Spirit and partners, including Northrop Grumman UK, have been awarded a £30 million (U.S. $41 million) deal to lead a partnership, known as Team Mosquito, for building the demonstrator vehicle in time to start a test flight program by the end of 2023.
Work maturing the Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft, or LANCA, will run for three years until the conclusion of the flight trials, an MoD official said.
Following completion of the demonstration phase, the Royal Air Force will analyze the data and use it to inform capability decisions, said the official.
The unmanned vehicle is part of the air force’s push to produce a low-cost machine in a fraction of the time of normal combat jets.
The Spirit Mosquito team, previously known as Blackdawn and led by Callen-Lenz , secured the deal beating out proposals from partnerships led by Boeing and Blue Bear Systems.
Spirit acquired the Belfast-based aerostructures operations of Canadian commercial and business jet builder Bombardier last year.
Designing and building the airframe is a small but significant win for the company, which centers on building structures for the Airbus A220 airliner and other civil sector work.
For the nth time, F-35 is not your project. You were glorified coolies in that project.
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The article's from June 2020 & the development program of Taranis stopped much before that. It gets better.
UK was the one to put the brakes on drone demo project, industry says
British and French industry were disappointed after their offer to build a technology demonstrator for a combat drone was put on hold, mainly by the U.K., Eric Trappier, chairman of the Gifas trade body, said April 12.
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The concept of locating the radar in the nose was admittedly ahead of it's time. As a child , the concept of Nimrod quite fascinated me. Too bad the project itself ended in failure.
Oh, we're learning from your failures, Paddy. So that we don't end up like BAe & the rest of the British aerospace ecosystem subordinated to US interests such that we cease coming up with constipated reasoning like yours in order to justify something that's soon to be extinct viz the Brit aerospace ecosystem & all the companies it contains.
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Tch tch! So this is what the Brit aerospace ecosystem has now been reduced to? Churning out low cost low tech drones. How the mighty have fallen!!RAF to start production of high-speed unmanned drone prototype
Production of the RAF's new unmanned high-speed 'loyal wingman' combat drone is set to begin in Northern Ireland in a £30million project, the Ministry of Defence has announced.www.dailymail.co.uk
Spirit AeroSystems (pictured), in Belfast, has been selected to lead Team Mosquito in the next phase of Project Mosquito
'This is a great win for the Northern Ireland defence industry and will showcase some of the most pioneering engineering work currently being undertaken in the UK,' UK Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quin said.
'The £30 million project will accelerate the development of the UK's future air power by delivering cutting-edge uncrewed aircraft, maintaining our position as a world leader in emerging technologies.'
The director of Future Combat Air at the MoD, Richard Berthon, said: 'Project Mosquito is a vital element of our approach to Future Combat Air, rapidly bringing to life design, build and test skills for next generation combat air capabilities.
'Autonomous 'loyal wingman' aircraft create the opportunity to expand, diversify and rapidly upgrade Combat Air Forces in a cost-effective way, now and in the future.'
British shell out seed funding for ‘loyal wingman’ combat drone
If the project is successful, the "Mosquito" loyal wingman platform could eventually become the first drone in British service able to target and shoot down enemy aircraft.
British shell out seed funding for ‘loyal wingman’ combat drone
By: Andrew Chuter 19 hours ago
Computer-generated image of the Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft (LANCA) concept flying alongside an F-35B. (British MOD image)
LONDON — A British initiative to develop an unmanned air vehicle known as a “loyal wingman” has received a boost with the announcement by the Ministry of Defence that a Spirit AeroSystems-led consortium is to build a full-scale test vehicle.
The Belfast, Northern Ireland-based arm of Spirit and partners, including Northrop Grumman UK, have been awarded a £30 million (U.S. $41 million) deal to lead a partnership, known as Team Mosquito, for building the demonstrator vehicle in time to start a test flight program by the end of 2023.
Work maturing the Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft, or LANCA, will run for three years until the conclusion of the flight trials, an MoD official said.
Following completion of the demonstration phase, the Royal Air Force will analyze the data and use it to inform capability decisions, said the official.
The unmanned vehicle is part of the air force’s push to produce a low-cost machine in a fraction of the time of normal combat jets.
The Spirit Mosquito team, previously known as Blackdawn and led by Callen-Lenz , secured the deal beating out proposals from partnerships led by Boeing and Blue Bear Systems.
Spirit acquired the Belfast-based aerostructures operations of Canadian commercial and business jet builder Bombardier last year.
Designing and building the airframe is a small but significant win for the company, which centers on building structures for the Airbus A220 airliner and other civil sector work.
only 30 million pounds? it is to produce Heller scale models ?
UK is broke & Paddy, here, is trying to make a virtue out of a necessity.
In fact, I wouldn't be off the mark when I suggest to the moderators & administrators here to either delete the RAF & this thread or merge it with the USAF thread since the future if both is bleak.
Point being the last time Britain made a fighter jet was back when the Cold War began. Whereas Saab's fighter jet program is still ongoing.
All your "actual" experts are either retired or dead. Today all you have are pretend experts with some experience in airframe design. The FBW and avionics of the Typhoon come from outside Britain. All you have going for you is engine design, but even there you are busy in the process of forcing Rolls-Royce down the shitter.
Otoh, India has 4 fighter jet programs ongoing simultaneously, along with 2 hypersonic aircraft programs. I think it's time for India to buy Rolls-Royce.
Your basic math is wrong because you have incorrectly assumed the Gripen's radar is 30% smaller, when it's no more than 15% smaller or even less. Typhoon's radar diameter is 700mm, Gripen's old radar diameter is 600mm, and the AESA is apparently 650mm. So it's just 50mm at worst, or 75-100mm at best.
Completely wrong factually, the ownership of those companies might be foreign but the engineering is domestic. Just like with BAE SYSTEMS and BAE SYSTEMS plc.
I'm afraid you're wrong. Gripen's radar is no bigger than the Rafale's.
Maybe you mean no bigger than the F-35? Because the size of the Rafale's antenna is classified and you can't know it, but the size of the F-35's is known:
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Finally the APG-81 has only 1000 T/R.....No wonder I found it has the same detection performance as the RBE2 AESA
600mm on Gripen C vs 700mm on Typhoon. Mig-29's is 624mm. LCA's is 650mm.
Only Rafale's radar is 550-600mm. But the Gripen's is definitely 600mm.
Read the data posted on this forum.
SAAB JAS-39 Gripen Avionics & Swedish Datalinks
A thread to discuss the avionics of the very interesting JAS-39 Gripen. I will post some information from the Aerofax book shortly.
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- Antenna Unit: lightweight 600 mm diameter low sidelobe monopulse planar array, with guard channel antenna, IFF dipoles and digital servo control, weighing 25 kg
You flunked out on facts and then the math.
I don't see any data on the Typhoon radar there and how do you know whether 600mm is the diameter of the actual radar or its mount. This says only 500 modules.600mm on Gripen C vs 700mm on Typhoon. Mig-29's is 624mm. LCA's is 650mm.
Only Rafale's radar is 550-600mm. But the Gripen's is definitely 600mm.
Read the data posted on this forum.
The PS-05/A radar comprises six Line-Replaceable Units (LRUs):SAAB JAS-39 Gripen Avionics & Swedish Datalinks
A thread to discuss the avionics of the very interesting JAS-39 Gripen. I will post some information from the Aerofax book shortly.
- Antenna Unit: lightweight 600 mm diameter low sidelobe monopulse planar array, with guard channel antenna, IFF dipoles and digital servo control, weighing 25 kg
You flunked out on facts and then the math.
Saab AESA trial offers Gripen C/D users new upgrade path
Saab has begun promoting an active electronically scanned array antenna for its PS-05/A fighter radar, offering an upgrade option for operators of its Gripen C/D, and other legacy types.
www.flightglobal.com
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No. 1,676 These sources are garbage.Maybe you mean no bigger than the F-35? Because the size of the Rafale's antenna is classified and you can't know it, but the size of the F-35's is known:
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Finally the APG-81 has only 1000 T/R.....No wonder I found it has the same detection performance as the RBE2 AESA
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Size of Rafale's radar is 898 modules, it's been counted, so sorry, not classified but nice try.