British/Italian Tempest (GCAP) Fighter : News and Discussion
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I have a query which may sound very basic to you. Till what age do test pilots typically do testing? I always thought, test pilots would be in their 40s.
To go back on the topic of that "Tempest" aircraft, I'm very skeptical. I do not forget that the Franco-British FCAS project has been put on hold on the British side because of credit cuts.
Now of course I understand that BAE worries about its future. For a start, they haven't fully designed a combat aircraft in a long while. Their last were the Hawk and Hawk 200, the Harrier, and its variant the Sea Harrier. All others were in partnerships, including the Harrier II (with McDonnell Douglas/Boeing), the Jaguar (with Dassault-Breguet), the Tornado (in the Panavia consortium with Airbus and Leonardo), and the Typhoon (in the Eurofighter consortium with again Airbus and Leonardo). And the JSF is probably the worst deal, since they're just a subcontractor here rather than an actual partner. All the IP is safely Lockheed's. It might bring them money, but it won't help them maintain their edge, quite the opposite.
So they're looking every which way for partnerships, in the hope that making bits for a lot of different planes will be equivalent to making a full plane. That's debatable. They're trying to get things going with Turkey and with Japan, and this Tempest project is there to probe if there's an interest from the Italians. They've also hunted at projects with Saab, to probe in the direction of Sweden.
But, do you really think the British government will be able to fund all that stuff? Again, just look at the joint project with France to get an idea what will happen. London will face "political and budget uncertainty" and the international partners will be left hanging to express their disappointment.
So yeah, I firmly believe Tempest to be vaporware. I am not impressed at all by paper airplanes like those:
Now of course I understand that BAE worries about its future. For a start, they haven't fully designed a combat aircraft in a long while. Their last were the Hawk and Hawk 200, the Harrier, and its variant the Sea Harrier. All others were in partnerships, including the Harrier II (with McDonnell Douglas/Boeing), the Jaguar (with Dassault-Breguet), the Tornado (in the Panavia consortium with Airbus and Leonardo), and the Typhoon (in the Eurofighter consortium with again Airbus and Leonardo). And the JSF is probably the worst deal, since they're just a subcontractor here rather than an actual partner. All the IP is safely Lockheed's. It might bring them money, but it won't help them maintain their edge, quite the opposite.
So they're looking every which way for partnerships, in the hope that making bits for a lot of different planes will be equivalent to making a full plane. That's debatable. They're trying to get things going with Turkey and with Japan, and this Tempest project is there to probe if there's an interest from the Italians. They've also hunted at projects with Saab, to probe in the direction of Sweden.
But, do you really think the British government will be able to fund all that stuff? Again, just look at the joint project with France to get an idea what will happen. London will face "political and budget uncertainty" and the international partners will be left hanging to express their disappointment.
So yeah, I firmly believe Tempest to be vaporware. I am not impressed at all by paper airplanes like those:
To go back on the topic of that "Tempest" aircraft, I'm very skeptical. I do not forget that the Franco-British FCAS project has been put on hold on the British side because of credit cuts.
Now of course I understand that BAE worries about its future. For a start, they haven't fully designed a combat aircraft in a long while. Their last were the Hawk and Hawk 200, the Harrier, and its variant the Sea Harrier. All others were in partnerships, including the Harrier II (with McDonnell Douglas/Boeing), the Jaguar (with Dassault-Breguet), the Tornado (in the Panavia consortium with Airbus and Leonardo), and the Typhoon (in the Eurofighter consortium with again Airbus and Leonardo). And the JSF is probably the worst deal, since they're just a subcontractor here rather than an actual partner. All the IP is safely Lockheed's. It might bring them money, but it won't help them maintain their edge, quite the opposite.
So they're looking every which way for partnerships, in the hope that making bits for a lot of different planes will be equivalent to making a full plane. That's debatable. They're trying to get things going with Turkey and with Japan, and this Tempest project is there to probe if there's an interest from the Italians. They've also hunted at projects with Saab, to probe in the direction of Sweden.
But, do you really think the British government will be able to fund all that stuff? Again, just look at the joint project with France to get an idea what will happen. London will face "political and budget uncertainty" and the international partners will be left hanging to express their disappointment.
So yeah, I firmly believe Tempest to be vaporware. I am not impressed at all by paper airplanes like those:
That image.
Hypersonic plane fighters are still ways off.
unmanned is probably going to be integrated somehow into this system. i'd think it's what USA is doing as well.
Also, UK is good on deep strike aircraft given the F-35 purchase, so they need something with a heavy focus on A2A.
Are you speaking of the 110 plane for IAF or the 57 for the Navy? (or the two?)
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None of the two. Mine is a design for STOBAR carrier based fighter which will be fit for ops from CATOBAR also. It is optimized for more demanding STOBAR ops. It will be like F-35A & C. Or F-35C converted for ops from shore for IAF.
I don't understand.
You are speaking of a new order of Rafale or MSA/LSA/XYZ ?
My design is not in conflict with any on going procurement of fighters for any service in India. 110 will go to Rafale only as far as I know. IN order is still open.
I work on UTC time so IST is not applicable to me. We are now going to start the full fledged work on the aircraft with a definitive design to be displayed by 2019 Aero India.
Another lemon in the making.
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The U.K.'s New 'Tempest' Stealth Fighter Project Already Faces Serious Challenges
If they get a private company in the first place. By the way things are going its otherwise.