Chinese Wuhan Virus Thread

[STEPHEN COHEN]

No. It means if any sane person should’ve been ruling Delhi, like say Sheila Dixit, she/he should have done the necessary arrangements and resolved the crisis. Or
1 Should’ve installed O2 generators like we have in every Medical College Hospitals including all central Hospitals in Delhi like AIIMS etc.
2 Orders small concentrators from China and other manufacturers which cost roughly 40-50 thousand a piece. Or about 1 lacks with multiport facility.
3 should’ve arranged few cryo tankers like all other states to transport Alloted O2 rather than playing blame games with Centre.
BTW Centre do have few Cryo tankers for their own Hospitals like all the AIIMS etc and also for other purposes.
but to blame central government for your incompetence when people are dying on streets and hospitals of Delhi is just outrageous.
But it’s working because two different parties are ruling there. When you are a shameless person like Kejriwal, you can justify anything and have huge online paid media and influencers to back you up.

It is all semantics

The Rule books dont care for people dying

But People of Delhi must be watching

Who will they curse for their suffering

In Hindi I will say

Unki बद्दुआएं किसे लगेंगीं

ie who will be affected by their Curses -- Kejriwal or Modi , Time will Tell

This is not the Villages of UP Bihar where people die without Care

It is Delhi , where Oxygen supply is.getting affected by politics of BOTH parties

 

[jetray]

It’s not fault of vaccine makers but the people. We will not hesitate to sell each other for few bucks. One can see this behaviour more prominent in places like Delhi. Extorting thousands for few kilometres is just criminal. And it’s common people who are doing it. Not Doctors not Drug or vaccine . People are hoarding empty oxygen cylinders here, the PCM, ivermectin, antivirals,surgical masks and what not to earn easy blood money.

manufacturers but people like you who blame businessman and Doctors for every ill in society.
Have you wondered why Govt labs failed to produce vaccine similar to those “costly” vaccines produced by these “blackmailers” ? Instead of feeling good that you have companies having capacity to produce vaccine and providing it to you in very affordable price like few hundred rupees ( which is provided free anyway by the states) you are blaming them for blackmailing?
And about Doctors, have you seen any Doctor increasing his/her fee during pandemic? Or demanding huge money like that ambulance driver? I guess Not. But you will still complain about those doing something useful to help people.

Look if there was no pandemic , you can give that reason. The head of the bharat biotech said money is required for future R&D that's the reason price increase was necessary. Their aim right now is not taking actions to eradicate pandemic but to make money. Do we need more ppl to suffer just bcos these companies need money for their future ? This is a one time opportunity for them and they are taking advantage of it.

Both the companies are still talking about capacity expansion for the past year since the pandemic started but have done nothing towards it. I would not be surprised if there is no capacity expansion , bcos companies can make money by just manufacturing at same rate for another 12 months & there by stretching the pandemic.

 

[jetray]

Anyways as I am covered already both via employer mediclaim and own health insurance, money wasn't concern then. However it made me realise that not every doctor is doing things which are necessary. Though it's my personal observation limited to only 4 doctors during my condition altogether.

If you have health insurance it is a curse & blessing as well. Blessing as the companies will have a pre-negotiated the price so the hospitals cannot take you for a ride. If the hospitals to try increase the cost they wont be part of the network next time thereby losing customers. But curse is that they know how much they can gouge out from a particular insurance policy.

At the end of the day its the ppl how they behave and govt how they enforce rules that matter, no amount of infra or manpower will fix it, its just our attitude that's needs to change. Just imagine what hospitals will do to ppl with no insurance ?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Look if there was no pandemic , you can give that reason. The head of the bharat biotech said money is required for future R&D that's the reason price increase was necessary. Their aim right now is not taking actions to eradicate pandemic but to make money. Do we need more ppl to suffer just bcos these companies need money for their future ? This is a one time opportunity for them and they are taking advantage of it.

Both the companies are still talking about capacity expansion for the past year since the pandemic started but have done nothing towards it. I would not be surprised if there is no capacity expansion , bcos companies can make money by just manufacturing at same rate for another 12 months & there by stretching the pandemic.

Covaxin was deliberately Ridiculed by Opposition parties for being " Untested " , We lost 2 months time
Due to Hesitation

From 16 Jan to 24 March , Only 5 crore doses were given

And in the next 5 weeks , 10.6 crores

Infact I have seen Whatsapp messages asKing people to Avoid Covaxin

It is only when Pandemic Exploded like a Bomb , that people are scrambling for vaccines

 

[jetray]

Covaxin was deliberately Ridiculed by Opposition parties for being " Untested " , We lost 2 months time
Due to Hesitation

From 16 Jan to 24 March , Only 5 crore doses were given

And in the next 5 weeks , 10.6 crores

Infact I have seen Whatsapp messages asKing people to Avoid Covaxin

It is only when Pandemic Exploded like a Bomb , that people are scrambling for vaccines

Its not just covaxin even sputnik was denied the permission to use as full trials were not completed yet.

On the other hand even pfizer vaccine which has completed all the phases is not tested for long term effects. At this point of time every thing is a gamble to save lives.

 

[AbRaj]

Look if there was no pandemic , you can give that reason. The head of the bharat biotech said money is required for future R&D that's the reason price increase was necessary. Their aim right now is not taking actions to eradicate pandemic but to make money. Do we need more ppl to suffer just bcos these companies need money for their future ? This is a one time opportunity for them and they are taking advantage of it.

And who’s job is to manage the pandemic? A businessman can’t survive without making money out of his business to invest further. It’s neither is government and nor a charity organisation to provide free services. Can’t you comprehend that ? Let’s assume I am a Doctor and is running a Small hospital. Do you expect me to provide free services to everyone just because there is a pandemic ? It doesn’t works in that way. All you can expect from a businessman like me is to keep my ethics and provide the services at reasonable price keeping in mind that I’ve to manage the hospital too and don’t want to shut it down after pandemic is over or I’ve burned all my cash in charity work.

Let the governments care about pricing and availability of vaccines to poor people. Why do you want a businessman to provide its product free to anyone ?

Both the companies are still talking about capacity expansion for the past year since the pandemic started but have done nothing towards it. I would not be surprised if there is no capacity expansion , bcos companies can make money by just manufacturing at same rate for another 12 months & there by stretching the pandemic.

And how do you know that they have done nothing? Are the vaccines we are getting are coming from somewhere else like any government owned facilities like that one in Kolkata? I know it’s not.

and no one can meet the expectations of sceptics like you who demand free services from businessman and also demand top class services at the same time.
btw your logical fallacies are quite silly. Like why a company don’t like to sell its product much more knowing fully well that there are other competitors waiting to fill the demand. Isn’t it stupid to assume that ?
And any kind of expansion requires money which they get from the product (vaccines) they sell. They are not media influencers to get paid for nothing.

 

[AbRaj]

This is not the Villages of UP Bihar where people die without Care

It is Delhi , where Oxygen supply is.getting affected by politics of BOTH parties

Life of a UP wala is as important as a free loader of Delhi. At least that’s what a UPwala like me believes.
and village of UP Bihar have way better and healthy lifestyle that 90% of the slum called Delhi.
So don’t talk like that at least with a UPwala or Bihari for your own good. It’s a honest advice

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

And who’s job is to manage the pandemic? A businessman can’t survive without making money out of his business to invest further. It’s neither is government and nor a charity organisation to provide free services. Can’t you comprehend that ? Let’s assume I am a Doctor and is running a Small hospital. Do you expect me to provide free services to everyone just because there is a pandemic ? It doesn’t works in that way. All you can expect from a businessman like me is to keep my ethics and provide the services at reasonable price keeping in mind that I’ve to manage the hospital too and don’t want to shut it down after pandemic is over or I’ve burned all my cash in charity work.

Let the governments care about pricing and availability of vaccines to poor people. Why do you want a businessman to provide its product free to anyone ?

And how do you know that they have done nothing? Are the vaccines we are getting are coming from somewhere else like any government owned facilities like that one in Kolkata? I know it’s not.

and no one can meet the expectations of sceptics like you who demand free services from businessman and also demand top class services at the same time.
btw your logical fallacies are quite silly. Like why a company don’t like to sell its product much more knowing fully well that there are other competitors waiting to fill the demand. Isn’t it stupid to assume that ?
And any kind of expansion requires money which they get from the product (vaccines) they sell. They are not media influencers to get paid for nothing.

For All the AATM NIRBHAR song and dance we did in January and February
It has come back to bite us

Covaxin production is very small quantity , ie Right now when we need huge quantities

Covishield is limited to 6 crore doses per month , 6 crore doses were exported

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Life of a UP wala is as important as a free loader of Delhi. At least that’s what a UPwala like me believes.
and village of UP Bihar have way better and healthy lifestyle that 90% of the slum called Delhi.
So don’t talk like that at least with a UPwala or Bihari for your own good. It’s a honest advice

You have misunderstood me

What I meant was is that right now small town people are also suffering

Infact in my Grandfather's village many people above 50 have died because no facilities are available

But Delhi Oxygen crisis is a product of politics

That would hurt the citizens much more , ie IF Modi wanted he could have arranged for Oxygen

Kejriwal hurt Central Govt with Farmers protest , now it is the Centre's turn to throw the Rule book at Kejriwal

Ten days are over since this crisis began yet we are at the same place

 

[AbRaj]

For All the AATM NIRBHAR song and dance we did in January and February
It has come back to bite us

Covaxin production is very small quantity , ie Right now when we need huge quantities

Covishield is limited to 6 crore doses per month , 6 crore doses were exported

LoL it’s not like Modi had done something special to become “Atmnirbhar” in vaccine production.
the SII and other Pharma companies invested their own money in purchasing IP right from Oxford-Az consortium. And simultaneously funding their own R&D. Govt did zilch unlike US and UK who provided funds to companies like Pfizer and JJ etc for vaccine development and setting up manufacturing.
Imagine that being done by Modi and we have @jetry and cohorts crying Ambani and Adani and Modi rezzaiin for years to come. Lol.
Anyway our best bet is all what we have as GOI can’t afford to import vaccines for 1.7 billion people specially in this cut throat demand. US companies are literally demanding arms and legs for their vax. Chinese one is just placebo.
Sputnik is the only other real alternative which Dr raddy is going to manufacture anyway.
Can we have fast tracked it ? Yes definitely but the GOI sat on it for months

 

[AbRaj]

You have misunderstood me

What I meant was is that right now small town people are also suffering

Infact in my Grandfather's village many people above 50 have died because no facilities are available

But Delhi Oxygen crisis is a product of politics

That would hurt the citizens much more , ie IF Modi wanted he could have arranged for Oxygen

Kejriwal hurt Central Govt with Farmers protest , now it is the Centre's turn to throw the Rule book at Kejriwal

Ten days are over since this crisis began yet we are at the same place

I honestly don’t believe that Modi can gain anything by denying a life saving commodity like Medical oxygen. It will bite to both of these Assholes in near future.
To me it’s just utter incompetence and lack of priority and lack of planning by the centre.
otherwise we have 21 other states too and almost none of them suffering that bad even though Delhi is so small and have many Central Hospitals too which are working ok.
UP , Bihar , MP, WB etc have much larger population and too few hospitals to cater to people.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I honestly don’t believe that Modi can gain anything by denying a life saving commodity like Medical oxygen. It will bite to both of these Assholes in near future.
To me it’s just utter incompetence and lack of priority and lack of planning by the centre.
otherwise we have 21 other states too and almost none of them suffering that bad even though Delhi is so small and have many Central Hospitals too which are working ok.
UP , Bihar , MP, WB etc have much larger population and too few hospitals to cater to people.

If you have time , Read this
The arguments in Delhi High Court

Between Centre and Delhi Govt

Kejriwal wants The Blame to Fall on MODI

He is absolutely sure that when in future , he blames Modi for the present tragedy , People will Believe him

https://twitter.com/x/status/1388810587522560002

 

[AbRaj]

I you have time , Read this
The arguments in Delhi High Court

Between Centre and Delhi Govt

Kejriwal wants The Blame to Fall on MODI

He is absolutely sure that when in future , he blames Modi for the present tragedy , People will Believe him

https://twitter.com/x/status/1388810587522560002

People are idiots. If they can believe in bafoonry of idiot like Tikait, Kejriwal and YoYa is like experienced con artists.
Anyway who cares. Let’s take care of ourselves and get the vaccines.
#Make Cowbelt Great Again


Let them decide what to believe and what not.

More people dye in RTA everyday but people still drive like idiots. It’s incurable disease

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Oxygen crisis: Delhi is creating a facade to hide its incompetence, Centre tells High Court

It also alleged that “apathy on part of the Delhi government has become a regular and daily affair”. The court was also told by the Centre that the allocation of Delhi has been increased to 590 MTs but it is receiving only some 440 MTs on a daily basis.

indianexpress.com

 

[randomradio]

Sputnik is the only other real alternative which Dr raddy is going to manufacture anyway.
Can we have fast tracked it ? Yes definitely but the GOI sat on it for months

Govt didn't sit on it. Bridging trials were ongoing. It was approved once interim data became available. Covaxin was also approved based on interim data. So the final data is yet to be released for both. Covaxin's is expected in June.

Also now American dalals are busy pushing Pfizer and Moderna vaccines over Covaxin and Covishield without bridging trials. No one should take any vaccine without bridging trials.

 

[Saaho]

Look if there was no pandemic , you can give that reason. The head of the bharat biotech said money is required for future R&D that's the reason price increase was necessary. Their aim right now is not taking actions to eradicate pandemic but to make money. Do we need more ppl to suffer just bcos these companies need money for their future ? This is a one time opportunity for them and they are taking advantage of it.

INR 400 per dose is NOT profiteering. They have to operate BSL3 labs to produce this vaccine.

 

[Saaho]

Govt didn't sit on it. Bridging trials were ongoing. It was approved once interim data became available. Covaxin was also approved based on interim data. So the final data is yet to be released for both. Covaxin's is expected in June.

Also now American dalals are busy pushing Pfizer and Moderna vaccines over Covaxin and Covishield without bridging trials. No one should take any vaccine without bridging trials.

Indeed! Bridging trials are done before a pharma product is launched in the country.

Pfizer and Moderna are not workable in India. Covishield, Sputnik, Covaxin, Zycov-D (it will get approval in May/June) and upcoming Novovax (called Covovax) are more than enough provided supply chains are not blocked.

The failure of government lies elsewhere. It lies in the fact that they did not consult the manufacturers about their supply chains and did not procured supplies in advance. It was fair to say that disruption of supply chain was expected. India was one of the first country to actually mass produce vaccines (SII did even before approval). So consumables like reactor bags, tubing, filters and cell culture media were known limiting factors atleast to manufacturers. There should have been a "empowered panel" to buy and stockpile these materials before hand. We had almost entire of 2020 and january. Biden invoked DPA in Feb 2021.

 

[randomradio]

I honestly don’t believe that Modi can gain anything by denying a life saving commodity like Medical oxygen. It will bite to both of these Assholes in near future.
To me it’s just utter incompetence and lack of priority and lack of planning by the centre.
otherwise we have 21 other states too and almost none of them suffering that bad even though Delhi is so small and have many Central Hospitals too which are working ok.
UP , Bihar , MP, WB etc have much larger population and too few hospitals to cater to people.

Bangalore has far more active positive cases than Delhi and Mumbai combined. But we are not struggling with oxygen supplies. I think we are lucky that we are partly a mining state, but it shows that at least our state govt was better prepared.

I believe that rich states should have taken care of themselves. Mumbai/Pune and Delhi at the very least shouldn't have faced such problems. This kinda problem should have been in rural India and smaller towns.

But if our main cities end up failing, then the situation for the rest of India is obviously utterly dismal.

 

[randomradio]

Indeed! Bridging trials are done before a pharma product is launched in the country.

The failure of government lies elsewhere. It lies in the fact that they did not consult the manufacturers about their supply chains and did not procured supplies in advance. It was fair to say that disruption of supply chain was expected. India was one of the first country to actually mass produce vaccines (SII did even before approval). So consumables like reactor bags, tubing, filters and cell culture media were known limiting factors atleast to manufacturers. There should have been a "empowered panel" to buy and stockpile these materials before hand. We had almost entire of 2020 and january. Biden invoked DPA in Feb 2021.

I don't think supplies were affected. Even Poonawalla said that he doesn't need raw materials for Covishield but for a new vaccine called Covovax.

Need raw materials for Covovax, not Covishield, SII to US

SII had earlier indicated it was planning to start at-risk manufacturing of Covovax—mass production of a medical product even before it gets regulatory clearance—in late April, but has not yet started it due to lack of raw materials, the person said.

www.hindustantimes.com

It appears a lot of information is still clouded and the media seems to have spun their own story. The fact is Covishield's production is still going strong, as per Poonawalla, and it's Covovax's production that's affected.

 

[AbRaj]

Bangalore has far more active positive cases than Delhi and Mumbai combined. But we are not struggling with oxygen supplies. I think we are lucky that we are partly a mining state, but it shows that at least our state govt was better prepared.

I believe that rich states should have taken care of themselves. Mumbai/Pune and Delhi at the very least shouldn't have faced such problems. This kinda problem should have been in rural India and smaller towns.

But if our main cities end up failing, then the situation for the rest of India is obviously utterly dismal.

Delhi is going backwards since Sheila Dixit Departure. Its infrastructure is crumbling and slums/illegal colonies are spreading like wildfire