Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

But the new-generation SEAD weapons like RudraM-1 is also designed for much higher accuracy and complete DEAD of IADS/SAM C3I. That's why we have put an active MMW seeker for it to track the SAM radars even once they've switched off. So a desired result is achieved via more accuracy resulting in less saturation/volumes. Thus, these new gen anti-radiation missiles differ quite a lot from their predecessors.

I am sure the French anti-radiation SEAD missile won't be any less capable than our NGARM.

PS: This admission by the French about Rafale needing SEAD missile nay also be an admission that "active stealth" isn't a guarantee like F-22/F-35's 'passive stealth' against modern AI backed AESA radars🤷‍♂️

The idea behind SEAD is to force the enemy to act a certain way so it provides a brief window of opportunity for a particular mission. It's no different from providing suppressive fire.

In military science, suppressive fire is "fire that degrades the performance of an enemy force below the level needed to fulfill its mission".

The issue with SEAD is it's almost entirely dependent on the level of competence of the enemy. If the enemy is very competent, most SEAD missions will fail. Using saturation attacks as a tactic to "defeat" a SAM site is basically all about spray and pray. The French method to use a glider is just to overwhelm the enemy radar to force a shut down. Numbers saturates the radar's resources, speed reduces the enemy's ability to react. The goal is the same for both, but the latter tactic is more expensive due to the use of an expensive powered missile.

So SEAD does not replace DEAD. And DEAD depends entirely on the level of your own competence relative to the enemy.
 
UAE could end up doing the same, if all 80+20 jets are built up to F5 standards.
Even if the Drone is expected in 2033, the F5 will finally be ready in 2030: the official website of the French Ministry of Defence has published information to this effect:

Rafale standard F5 : premières commandes notifiées aux industriels

Direction : Ministère des Armées / Publié le : 09 octobre 2024

Rafale F5 standard: first orders notified to manufacturers
Direction : Ministère des Armées / Published on : 09 October 2024

Expected in 2030, the Rafale F5 aims to improve the operational capabilities of the French Air Force, both for conventional missions and for FAS missions related to nuclear deterrence, in response to rapidly evolving threats. Following on from the F4 standard, which had already introduced innovations in connectivity and data processing power, the F5 takes these advances even further by becoming the second generation of connected fighters.

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The approach for the UAE is the same as for the Indian ISE for the first 36 Rafale delivered to you: your Rafale were built to be materially compatible with the final version, but the aircraft delivered were not capable of all the planned functions, only those that had already been developed, and when deliveries were completed 6 years later we retrofitted all the aircraft with the ISE. It's the same now, in 6 years' time we'll be retrofitting all the aircraft. When you know all the equipment in a standard, it only takes 2 months to draw up a wiring diagram.
 
Even if the Drone is expected in 2033, the F5 will finally be ready in 2030: the official website of the French Ministry of Defence has published information to this effect:

Rafale standard F5 : premières commandes notifiées aux industriels

Direction : Ministère des Armées / Publié le : 09 octobre 2024

Rafale F5 standard: first orders notified to manufacturers
Direction : Ministère des Armées / Published on : 09 October 2024



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The approach for the UAE is the same as for the Indian ISE for the first 36 Rafale delivered to you: your Rafale were built to be materially compatible with the final version, but the aircraft delivered were not capable of all the planned functions, only those that had already been developed, and when deliveries were completed 6 years later we retrofitted all the aircraft with the ISE. It's the same now, in 6 years' time we'll be retrofitting all the aircraft. When you know all the equipment in a standard, it only takes 2 months to draw up a wiring diagram.

So does that mean UAE will take their first jet in 2027 as before? Or just wait for F5 in 2030?

The same with the IN's jets too?

It doesn't make sense to give up on F5 for just a few years' wait. 80+20+26 is a pretty sizable number.

There's Indonesia too; 2026-30 for the first 42.
 
So does that mean UAE will take their first jet in 2027 as before? Or just wait for F5 in 2030?

The same with the IN's jets too?

It doesn't make sense to give up on F5 for just a few years' wait. 80+20+26 is a pretty sizable number.

There's Indonesia too; 2026-30 for the first 42.
I made the comparison with ISE: those had hardware modifications: towed jammers and jammers in the tail which required cabling modifications, and additional equipment to extend Spectra in low and high bands in addition to software modifications to manage all that optimally. Did we wait until 2022 (when everything was ready) to start deliveries? No, we delivered ISE-capable aircraft that were installed in 2022 at the end of the deliveries.
 
I made the comparison with ISE: those had hardware modifications: towed jammers and jammers in the tail which required cabling modifications, and additional equipment to extend Spectra in low and high bands in addition to software modifications to manage all that optimally. Did we wait until 2022 (when everything was ready) to start deliveries? No, we delivered ISE-capable aircraft that were installed in 2022 at the end of the deliveries.

Yeah, but F5 is not merely an enhancement. ISE only took care of missing technologies, it did not replace existing tech.

If UAE takes deliveries of F4 Rafales with RBE2 AESA in 2027, then will those jets get an upgrade to RBE2 XG in 2030?
 
Yeah, but F5 is not merely an enhancement. ISE only took care of missing technologies, it did not replace existing tech.

If UAE takes deliveries of F4 Rafales with RBE2 AESA in 2027, then will those jets get an upgrade to RBE2 XG in 2030?
In 2027, the RBE2 XG multi-channel receiver will be available, as well as the main GaN antenna, and in 2030 we'll just need to add the other multi-function antennas around the aircraft to have a complete RBE2 XG. Of course, the areas where these antennae will be placed must already be planned, as they will have to be transparent to the frequencies used... nothing impossible.
 
In 2027, the RBE2 XG multi-channel receiver will be available, as well as the main GaN antenna, and in 2030 we'll just need to add the other multi-function antennas around the aircraft to have a complete RBE2 XG. Of course, the areas where these antennae will be placed must already be planned, as they will have to be transparent to the frequencies used... nothing impossible.

Okay, if the main hardware in 2027 will be the same as what's going into F5, then the upgrades are a lot simpler.
 
Okay, if the main hardware in 2027 will be the same as what's going into F5, then the upgrades are a lot simpler.
Yes it's the software which will be late.
The village falls asleep and the #LoupsGarous wake up...

Tonight, the #Rafale comes out of its lair, not to eat the villagers, but to give us a never-before-seen image of a full moon, captured by a Talios pod.

 
Le premier Rafale F3 égyptien dévoilé en France
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Egypt's first Rafale F3 unveiled in France

The Egyptian Air Force is set to boost its air capabilities with the imminent arrival of the first batch of six Dassault Rafale F3 fighter jets, expected by the end of the year. One of these supersonic jets, already marked with Egyptian markings and ‘EM09’ on the tail, was recently spotted at the manufacturer's facilities in France.
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Egypt's order for 30 new Rafale F3-R fighters in 2021 follows the cancellation of a contract for Sukhoi Su-35 aircraft with Russia. This new batch of Rafale fighters represents a significant upgrade on the 24 fighters previously acquired, the majority of which (18 aircraft) are the two-seat DM variant. The Rafale F-3R, introduced in 2018, benefits from improved weapons and avionics systems, including integration with MBDA's Meteor long-range air-to-air missile.

The Rafale F-3R has been replaced by the Rafale F4.2, which offers improved connectivity with other platforms and an advanced RBE2 AESA radar, among other improvements. It is thought that the new Egyptian Rafale aircraft could eventually be upgraded to incorporate these advanced features.

The expansion of the Egyptian fleet


Against a backdrop of rising regional tensions, Egypt, like many other countries in the Middle East, has been beefing up its fighter fleet. In addition to the Rafale, Egypt is in discussions to acquire F-15s and even Eurofighter Typhoons, although no agreement has yet been finalised.

The Egyptian air force currently operates a diverse fleet, comprising: 24 Rafales, 19 Mirage 2000s, 43 MiG-29s, 80 Mirage 5s and 218 F-16s (including A/B and C/D variants).

The F-16 remains the mainstay of the Egyptian fighter fleet, reflecting the country's strategic focus on maintaining a robust and versatile air force.

In March this year, the Egyptian Air Force (EAF) Rafale fleet became the first export customer to reach 10,000 flying hours on this aircraft type, having flown the Rafale since 2015.

In December 2023, at the Egypt Defense Expo (EDEX) 2023, Safran Aircraft Engines and the Egyptian Air Force signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the company's new EngineLife® service solution. Under the terms of the agreement, the MoU will cover all life cycle support (TLS) for the M88 engines powering Egypt's current fleet of 24 Rafale fighters, on an hourly basis, with guaranteed levels of availability.

In February 2021, Egypt signed an agreement with France for the purchase of a further 30 Rafale fighter jets worth €3.75 billion ($4.5 billion). Eighteen single-seat and 12 two-seat Rafale models are due to be delivered between 2024 and 2026, according to the French Ministry of the Armed Forces.

Later in the year, the agreement with Dassault was confirmed and announced as having come into effect on November 15. ‘In a demanding geopolitical context, Egypt has chosen the Rafale to ensure its role as a key player on the regional and international scene, in full sovereignty. This is an honour for Dassault Aviation and its partners, who are fully committed to meeting the expectations of the Egyptian authorities,’ said Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.
 
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Rafale Fighter Jets Delivery Marks New Era for Greek Air Force

ByDimitrios Aristopoulos September 5, 2024

A Rafale-F3R aircraft of the Hellenic Air Force.
By 2030, the Greece’s air force plans to have three types of fighters: F-35s, F-16 Vipers, and Rafales with a total of 200 aircraft. Credit: Falcon_33, CC BY-SA 2.0

At the end of September, the last batch of Rafale F3Rs fighter jets from the 332 “Hawk” Squadron will arrive in Greece. The squadron will receive one aircraft per month, with deliveries completed by January 2025.

These six Rafales are new-build aircraft ordered in March 2022 along with three FDI frigates. Once they enter service, the 332nd will have 24 combat-ready aircraft, making them the most modern in Greece’s arsenal until the F-35s arrive later this decade.

Features of the Rafale F3R​

The Rafale is a French-made fighter jets, twin-engine, multirole combat aircraft capable of covering a wide range of operational missions. It joined the Greek Air Force (PA) in 2021 under contract 013C/20, which included 24 aircraft—12 used and 12 new. Among these, Greece will receive 18 single-seater Rafale EGs and 6 two-seater Rafale DGs.

The Rafale can handle multiple roles simultaneously (omnirole), allowing it to conduct different missions in a single flight. With 14 suspension stations, it can carry up to 9.5 tons of external loads.

The Rafale’s armament includes Meteor long-range air-to-air missiles, MICA EM and IR missiles, SCALP EG cruise missiles, and Exocet AM39 Block 2 Mod 2 air-to-surface missiles. It also carries precision weapons such as the GBU 12/16/24 and AASM, along with a 30 mm gun.

When the new Rafales enter service, the 332nd squadron will operate 24 combat-ready aircraft, enhancing Greece’s capabilities until the F-35s arrive. The first Rafale, painted in Greek colors, landed at the 114th Fighter Wing in Tanagra in January 2022.

This addition marked a significant step forward for the Air Force, introducing a 4.5 generation fighter with advanced sensors and AESA radar technology. The Rafale also serves as a platform for Meteor air-to-air missiles, capable of imposing “area denial” due to their long range and high speed, exceeding Mach 4.

Expanding the Rafale fleet​

With the completion of the first fully operational Rafale squadron, the Air Force plans to establish a second squadron, likely the 331st, also based in Tanagra. The approved plan includes selling the Mirage 2000-5s to the manufacturer Dassault or directly to the French Air Force. Although recent political instability in France has slowed discussions, Greece remains optimistic about reaching an agreement soon.
 
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Rafale Fighter Jets Delivery Marks New Era for Greek Air Force

ByDimitrios Aristopoulos September 5, 2024

A Rafale-F3R aircraft of the Hellenic Air Force.
By 2030, the Greece’s air force plans to have three types of fighters: F-35s, F-16 Vipers, and Rafales with a total of 200 aircraft. Credit: Falcon_33, CC BY-SA 2.0

At the end of September, the last batch of Rafale F3Rs fighter jets from the 332 “Hawk” Squadron will arrive in Greece. The squadron will receive one aircraft per month, with deliveries completed by January 2025.

These six Rafales are new-build aircraft ordered in March 2022 along with three FDI frigates. Once they enter service, the 332nd will have 24 combat-ready aircraft, making them the most modern in Greece’s arsenal until the F-35s arrive later this decade.

Features of the Rafale F3R​

The Rafale is a French-made fighter jets, twin-engine, multirole combat aircraft capable of covering a wide range of operational missions. It joined the Greek Air Force (PA) in 2021 under contract 013C/20, which included 24 aircraft—12 used and 12 new. Among these, Greece will receive 18 single-seater Rafale EGs and 6 two-seater Rafale DGs.

The Rafale can handle multiple roles simultaneously (omnirole), allowing it to conduct different missions in a single flight. With 14 suspension stations, it can carry up to 9.5 tons of external loads.

The Rafale’s armament includes Meteor long-range air-to-air missiles, MICA EM and IR missiles, SCALP EG cruise missiles, and Exocet AM39 Block 2 Mod 2 air-to-surface missiles. It also carries precision weapons such as the GBU 12/16/24 and AASM, along with a 30 mm gun.

When the new Rafales enter service, the 332nd squadron will operate 24 combat-ready aircraft, enhancing Greece’s capabilities until the F-35s arrive. The first Rafale, painted in Greek colors, landed at the 114th Fighter Wing in Tanagra in January 2022.

This addition marked a significant step forward for the Air Force, introducing a 4.5 generation fighter with advanced sensors and AESA radar technology. The Rafale also serves as a platform for Meteor air-to-air missiles, capable of imposing “area denial” due to their long range and high speed, exceeding Mach 4.

Expanding the Rafale fleet​

With the completion of the first fully operational Rafale squadron, the Air Force plans to establish a second squadron, likely the 331st, also based in Tanagra. The approved plan includes selling the Mirage 2000-5s to the manufacturer Dassault or directly to the French Air Force. Although recent political instability in France has slowed discussions, Greece remains optimistic about reaching an agreement soon.

With Indian standard time, these mirages will be mothballed before we make the decision and so we ll get is as spares.
 

Egypt could arm Rafale jets with Chinese long-range HD-1A missiles​

A recent Israeli report highlights the possibility that China could supply Egypt with the advanced long-range cruise missile, the Guangdong Hongda HD-1A. These missiles, with a range surpassing 290 kilometers, could be integrated into the Egyptian Air Force’s fleet, specifically with French-made Rafale fighters.

This integration would give Egypt a considerable edge in regional power projection. The report points to the logistical and political difficulties Cairo faces in acquiring such advanced weaponry, such as the SCALP-EG missiles, which have been heavily influenced by Israeli and U.S. efforts to maintain Israel’s military superiority in the region.

Despite this, Egypt succeeded in securing SCALP missiles after intense negotiations, signaling its increasing reliance on diversified arms sources beyond Western powers.

The Guangdong Hongda HD-1A missile stands out due to its precision targeting capabilities and long-range reach, making it a potentially game-changing addition to Egypt’s military assets. These weapons would provide Egypt with enhanced deterrence capabilities, offering the ability to strike strategic targets well beyond the range of current missile systems.

Given China’s growing partnership with Egypt, this potential missile deal is seen as part of a broader strategy by Cairo to expand its arms supply options, particularly away from Western sources.

A memorable moment at the Zhuhai Airshow in southern China sparked considerable interest when a model of a French Rafale fighter was displayed armed with two Guangdong Hongda HD-1A missiles. This prompted speculation, with some dismissing it as a marketing gimmick designed to advertise China’s capabilities. Initially, experts viewed this as unlikely, citing political barriers due to China’s strained relations with Western countries.

However, the Israeli report now suggests a more feasible scenario in which Egypt, bypassing Western restrictions, could acquire these Chinese missiles. This scenario aligns with Egypt’s ongoing strategy to secure advanced weaponry from non-Western nations, expanding its military partnerships with countries like China.

Recent reports also point to growing military discussions between Egypt and Italy, particularly regarding the acquisition of up to 24 Eurofighter Typhoons, valued at around $3 billion. This deal, involving a collaboration between the UK, Spain, Italy, and Germany, underscores the strength of European cooperation in modern military aviation.

Furthermore, Egypt is on the verge of reaching its long-standing goal of adding U.S.-made F-15 “Strike Eagle” fighters to its fleet, pending approval from the United States. If these deals materialize, Egypt’s Air Force, already comprising 54 Rafale jets from Dassault Aviation, would see a significant boost in capability, alongside a mix of older aircraft inherited from the Soviet era.

However, similar to the Rafale deal, Egypt may not receive the complete package when acquiring Eurofighter Typhoons. The likely exclusion of critical air-to-air missiles like the Meteor, as well as other advanced weaponry, points to the ongoing struggle Cairo faces in securing full capabilities for its new aircraft. Both France and the United States have long been hesitant to provide Egypt with long-range weapon systems due to their commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

While Israel may not oppose the sale of Eurofighter Typhoons to Egypt, it is likely to veto any deals involving air-to-air missiles like the Meteor or other long-range weaponry. Similar resistance was seen when Egypt acquired Rafales, with Israel blocking efforts to equip these fighters with advanced long-range missiles.

Despite this, the potential for Egypt to sidestep these restrictions by turning to China has become increasingly plausible. A deal involving the Guangdong Hongda HD-1A missile could become a reality, further solidifying Egypt’s military cooperation with China and challenging Western dominance in the region.

The Guangdong Hongda HD-1A is a supersonic cruise missile developed by the Chinese company Guangdong Hongda Blasting Co. Ltd. It is part of a family of missiles based on technology reverse-engineered from the Ukrainian Bliskavka missile. The HD-1A measures 5.7 meters in length, with a diameter of 375 mm, and has a launch weight of approximately 1,200 kg.

Its propulsion system features a solid-propellant ramjet, which allows it to reach speeds of up to Mach 3.5. This enables it to cover distances of up to 290 km in just a few minutes. The missile is equipped with infrared imaging guidance for the air-launched variant, and active radar for the surface-launched version [HD-1C], which is primarily designed for anti-ship roles.

The HD-1A relies on a navigation suite combining inertial navigation with GPS updates, ensuring high accuracy with a circular error probability [CEP] of 20 meters, improving to 10 meters when aided by infrared guidance. The warhead is a 240 kg fragmentation-blast type, designed to cause significant damage to both naval and land targets. The missile’s seeker is located at the front and is complemented by control surfaces at the rear to stabilize flight.

In terms of deployment, the HD-1A is usually launched from air platforms, though the larger surface-launched variant [HD-1C] uses a canister-launched system mounted on a 10×10 truck with a four-missile transporter-erector-launcher [TEL]. This setup can quickly relocate and fire missiles, offering operational flexibility and rapid response times. The surface-launched HD-1C version has a booster to accelerate the missile to supersonic speeds.

The HD-1A’s radar and sensor capabilities enhance its precision targeting in complex environments, with a single-shot kill probability of 75% against moving naval targets. Overall, the HD-1A is a highly capable missile system, combining speed, precision, and versatility for both maritime and land-based strike roles.
 
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Thanks to the Rafale F5, the French Navy will be able to renew a third of its on-board fighters
by Laurent Lagneau - 24 November 2024


In July 2021, Admiral Pierre Vandier, then Chief of Staff of the French Navy [CEMM], expressed concern about a possible reduction in the fleet of Rafale Marine [or RFM] embarked fighter-bombers in the coming years, due to wear and tear on the oldest aircraft [those that entered service in 2002, editor's note]. This wear and tear is linked to the ‘aggressive’ environment in which they operate, as well as to the mechanical stresses to which they are subjected during catapult landings and landings.

‘The Navy is [...] the first to have had Rafale aircraft at its disposal, so it will logically be the first to lose them through wear and tear. [It] has kept them since they were first put into service and has not had any new aircraft. Our entire Rafale fleet is being retrofitted,’ explained Admiral Vandier in an interview with La Tribune.

As a reminder, the French Navy was the first to deploy Rafale F1s [with air-to-air capabilities only] in 2001. It received its last aircraft in 2017. It currently has 42 of these aircraft, upgraded to the F3R standard. In detail, 36 of them equip the 11F, 12F and 17F squadrons. As for the other six, three are assigned to the Saint-Dizier air base for the training of Aéronautique Navale pilots and three are in reserve.

That said, while the 2024-30 Military Planning Law [LPM] was being drawn up, Admiral Vandier once again stressed the need to renew some of the Rafale M aircraft during his parliamentary hearings. ‘We are vigilant about the average age of our fleet [17 years at the time] so that it does not diverge too much from that of the French Air Force [12 or 13 years at the time], which would expose us to fleet pooling problems’, he insisted.

However, the 2024-30 LPM did not include the partial renewal of the Navy's Rafale M F3Rs, since it was decided to give priority to the Air & Space Force [AAE], in particular to enable it to replace the aircraft taken from its allocation to honour the contracts signed with Greece and Croatia. This is why all the Rafales ordered under the 4th and 5th production tranches [82 aircraft in total] will be destined for the Navy.

The Navy had also pleaded to be the first to be served when the new generation fighter [NGF, New Generation Fighter], resulting from the SCAF programme [Future Air Combat System], became operational.... This is not expected to happen before... 2040. But that was without taking into account the Rafale's F5 standard, the development of which was confirmed in the 2024-30 LPM.

Designed to carry the future ASN4G nuclear-capable cruise missile, the Rafale F5 will be very different from previous standards. ‘The radar, electronic countermeasures and the computer needed for connectivity will have been modified. The computing capacity needed to process hundreds of thousands of items of information requires cabling that the Rafale as we know it today is not capable of supporting,’ explained General Stéphane Mille, the former Chief of Staff of the French Air Force and Space Ministry.

In October, the Ministry of the Armed Forces announced that the first orders for the development of the Rafale F5 and the combat drone [UCAV] that is to accompany it had recently been notified to the manufacturers concerned.

In any case, the Rafale F5 programme will give the French Navy the opportunity to replace some of its on-board combat aircraft.

According to Frank Giletti, MP, rapporteur for Programme 178, ‘Force Preparation - Air’, the 6th production tranche of the Rafale is due to be notified in 2029. This will be ‘made up of F5 standard aircraft’. Of the 45 aircraft to be ordered, 12 will be destined for the French Navy. This is equivalent to the equipment of a flotilla.

According to the French Ministry of Defence, the Rafale F5 is ‘expected in 2030’. It ‘aims to improve the operational capabilities of the French air force, both for conventional missions and for SAF missions related to nuclear deterrence, in response to rapidly evolving threats’, it explains.

For the French Navy, the Rafale F5 will also provide an opportunity to strengthen the onboard air group [GAé] of the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier [as well as that of its successor, the PA NG] thanks to the combat drone with which it will be associated.
 
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Thanks to the Rafale F5, the French Navy will be able to renew a third of its on-board fighters
by Laurent Lagneau - 24 November 2024


In July 2021, Admiral Pierre Vandier, then Chief of Staff of the French Navy [CEMM], expressed concern about a possible reduction in the fleet of Rafale Marine [or RFM] embarked fighter-bombers in the coming years, due to wear and tear on the oldest aircraft [those that entered service in 2002, editor's note]. This wear and tear is linked to the ‘aggressive’ environment in which they operate, as well as to the mechanical stresses to which they are subjected during catapult landings and landings.

‘The Navy is [...] the first to have had Rafale aircraft at its disposal, so it will logically be the first to lose them through wear and tear. [It] has kept them since they were first put into service and has not had any new aircraft. Our entire Rafale fleet is being retrofitted,’ explained Admiral Vandier in an interview with La Tribune.

As a reminder, the French Navy was the first to deploy Rafale F1s [with air-to-air capabilities only] in 2001. It received its last aircraft in 2017. It currently has 42 of these aircraft, upgraded to the F3R standard. In detail, 36 of them equip the 11F, 12F and 17F squadrons. As for the other six, three are assigned to the Saint-Dizier air base for the training of Aéronautique Navale pilots and three are in reserve.

That said, while the 2024-30 Military Planning Law [LPM] was being drawn up, Admiral Vandier once again stressed the need to renew some of the Rafale M aircraft during his parliamentary hearings. ‘We are vigilant about the average age of our fleet [17 years at the time] so that it does not diverge too much from that of the French Air Force [12 or 13 years at the time], which would expose us to fleet pooling problems’, he insisted.

However, the 2024-30 LPM did not include the partial renewal of the Navy's Rafale M F3Rs, since it was decided to give priority to the Air & Space Force [AAE], in particular to enable it to replace the aircraft taken from its allocation to honour the contracts signed with Greece and Croatia. This is why all the Rafales ordered under the 4th and 5th production tranches [82 aircraft in total] will be destined for the Navy.

The Navy had also pleaded to be the first to be served when the new generation fighter [NGF, New Generation Fighter], resulting from the SCAF programme [Future Air Combat System], became operational.... This is not expected to happen before... 2040. But that was without taking into account the Rafale's F5 standard, the development of which was confirmed in the 2024-30 LPM.

Designed to carry the future ASN4G nuclear-capable cruise missile, the Rafale F5 will be very different from previous standards. ‘The radar, electronic countermeasures and the computer needed for connectivity will have been modified. The computing capacity needed to process hundreds of thousands of items of information requires cabling that the Rafale as we know it today is not capable of supporting,’ explained General Stéphane Mille, the former Chief of Staff of the French Air Force and Space Ministry.

In October, the Ministry of the Armed Forces announced that the first orders for the development of the Rafale F5 and the combat drone [UCAV] that is to accompany it had recently been notified to the manufacturers concerned.

In any case, the Rafale F5 programme will give the French Navy the opportunity to replace some of its on-board combat aircraft.

According to Frank Giletti, MP, rapporteur for Programme 178, ‘Force Preparation - Air’, the 6th production tranche of the Rafale is due to be notified in 2029. This will be ‘made up of F5 standard aircraft’. Of the 45 aircraft to be ordered, 12 will be destined for the French Navy. This is equivalent to the equipment of a flotilla.

According to the French Ministry of Defence, the Rafale F5 is ‘expected in 2030’. It ‘aims to improve the operational capabilities of the French air force, both for conventional missions and for SAF missions related to nuclear deterrence, in response to rapidly evolving threats’, it explains.

For the French Navy, the Rafale F5 will also provide an opportunity to strengthen the onboard air group [GAé] of the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier [as well as that of its successor, the PA NG] thanks to the combat drone with which it will be associated.
So indian order for Navy if placed even next month, by the order of wait list, will be delivered post 2030 in F5 configuration?

45 F5 aircraft order include Indian Navy orders.?
 
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