Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

so India is well ahead of France in this Tech. We have tested our own about an year ago.
I think west isn't much interested on speed when comes to attack missiles for non nuclear rolws, they preferred accuracy, stealth, terrain hugging, superior navigation over speed.
 
Does anybody have a good, high-res image of the rear cockpit on a Rafale B/DH?

The ones I found aren't the best and are from a side-on angle:

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It all depends on the ambition of what you've tested. For example, on our M-51s our MIRV heads are already manoeuvring hypersonic gliders, and they're operational, not just being tested.

Aren't you referring to a MaRV rather than a true-blue glider?

Avangard separates from its booster at 100 km altitude, whereas M51 releases its warhead at 2000 km. The M51 follows a ballistic trajectory and maneuvers during its terminal phase, so a MaRV. A glider has to stay within the atmosphere.

The glide vehicle we tested operates within the atmosphere too. It switches from vertical flight to horizontal flight 8 seconds after lift-off.
 
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Aren't you referring to a MaRV rather than a true-blue glider?

Avangard separates from its booster at 100 km altitude, whereas M51 releases its warhead at 2000 km. The M51 follows a ballistic trajectory and maneuvers during its terminal phase, so a MaRV. A glider has to stay within the atmosphere.

The glide vehicle we tested operates within the atmosphere too. It switches from vertical flight to horizontal flight 8 seconds after lift-off.
No M51 Is Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) 6-10 warheads.
 
No M51 Is Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) 6-10 warheads.

MARV is independent from MIRV.

MIRV means a missile bus carries multiple warheads and can be launched independently. And MARV means the warheads themselves are maneuverable after launch, thereby capable of performing evasive maneuvers during the terminal stage.

The ABM Treaty prevented the need for MARV warheads on MIRV-capable missiles. You can see from images that US and SU warheads lack fins. I believe the M45 also carried non-maneuvering warheads with a similar shape as American warheads. I guess the French kept to the spirit of the treaty until 2002 and then created MARV waheads once it ended. The Russians also introduced MARV on Yars and Bulava. Rubezh is used to carry Avangard. It's unclear if Sentinel will come with MARV warheads.

Glide vehicles never leave the atmpshere and use horizontal flight. So these are not MARVs, 'cause they never perform "reentry."

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MARV is independent from MIRV.

MIRV means a missile bus carries multiple warheads and can be launched independently. And MARV means the warheads themselves are maneuverable after launch, thereby capable of performing evasive maneuvers during the terminal stage.

The ABM Treaty prevented the need for MARV warheads on MIRV-capable missiles. You can see from images that US and SU warheads lack fins. I believe the M45 also carried non-maneuvering warheads with a similar shape as American warheads. I guess the French kept to the spirit of the treaty until 2002 and then created MARV waheads once it ended. The Russians also introduced MARV on Yars and Bulava. Rubezh is used to carry Avangard. It's unclear if Sentinel will come with MARV warheads.

Glide vehicles never leave the atmpshere and use horizontal flight. So these are not MARVs, 'cause they never perform "reentry."

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But to reach targets distant from one another, our warheads cease to have ballistic trajectories from the moment they enter the atmosphere, they are in fact small space shuttles.
 
But to reach targets distant from one another, our warheads cease to have ballistic trajectories from the moment they enter the atmosphere, they are in fact small space shuttles.

That's what MARVs do. They can enter the atmosphere and their lifting surfaces and fins can help them glide a bit.

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And this is what a glide vehicle can do.
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The only difference is Avangard and India's LRAShM have shorter apogees.
 
No M51 Is Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) 6-10 warheads.
I had the opportunity to visit Le terrible deterrence sub in february in the Ile Longue base.
I asked him if all the M51 were fitted with the same number of heads. He said no. He refused to validate the 10 max number, but agree to say that 6 wasn't the smaller number of head abroad. But impossible to have this smaller number. 1? 2?
 
Why the Rafale f5:
  • The worsening of the geopolitical situation meant that the conflicting habits of the SCAF development (intrinsic to its organisation) was totally unsuited to the urgent need for an effective solution.
  • The French reaction to this situation was to use its own budget to finance the evolution of the Rafale towards a fast-track solution for a mock SCAF based on the Rafale F5, the Neuron, an improved M88, Thales' sensor and Spectra solutions, and existing high-speed transmissions and interoperability. All solutions that have no equivalent in Europe.
  • In short, the only thing we lack compared with the SCAF is a stealth aircraft. But the French constraints linked to marinisation and nuclear deterrence can only slow down and increase the cost of its development in 3 countries, or even make it impossible.
  • So Trappier was right to put his foot down, because France urgently needs to stop funding the SCAF and put its resources into developing not the NGF but the NG-Rafale. Other countries can join this project, but under the direction of French leaders because, as Eric Trappier proclaims, ‘The competence is in France’.
This is the only way Europe will continue to exist in this field.
 
Why the Rafale f5:
  • The worsening of the geopolitical situation meant that the conflicting habits of the SCAF development (intrinsic to its organisation) was totally unsuited to the urgent need for an effective solution.
  • The French reaction to this situation was to use its own budget to finance the evolution of the Rafale towards a fast-track solution for a mock SCAF based on the Rafale F5, the Neuron, an improved M88, Thales' sensor and Spectra solutions, and existing high-speed transmissions and interoperability. All solutions that have no equivalent in Europe.
  • In short, the only thing we lack compared with the SCAF is a stealth aircraft. But the French constraints linked to marinisation and nuclear deterrence can only slow down and increase the cost of its development in 3 countries, or even make it impossible.
  • So Trappier was right to put his foot down, because France urgently needs to stop funding the SCAF and put its resources into developing not the NGF but the NG-Rafale. Other countries can join this project, but under the direction of French leaders because, as Eric Trappier proclaims, ‘The competence is in France’.
This is the only way Europe will continue to exist in this field.
Why do you even bother joining the partnership programs if you know there is no future? Its just waste of time.
 
Can I ask, is SPECTRA fully integrated with the RBE2 radar? Similar to how IVEWS on the F-16 is integrated with the APG-83
Except F-35, Rafale has the best sensor-fusion of all Western jets. So, the answer is very obvious: yes:)
 
So rbe2 can do jamming?
Nope. At least not in public domain thus far. Gotta wait till RBE2-XG for that. Jamming is done through SPECTRA emitters mounted on canard roots. F-35's AN/APG-81 does that 'cause it doesn't have dedicated jammers/transmitters in its airframe.

PS: Sensor fusion is the consolidated picture that the pilot gets by fusion of all the radar, IRST/TV, MAWS & RWR data. Rafale is as good as it gets in that department trailing only F-35. Rafale can generate a MICA firing solution just based on its RWR/SPECTRA bearing to say the least. F/A-18E/F is also very close to Rafale in this department.
 
So Trappier was right to put his foot down, because France urgently needs to stop funding the SCAF and put its resources into developing not the NGF but the NG-Rafale. Other countries can join this project, but under the direction of French leaders because, as Eric Trappier proclaims, ‘The competence is in France’.

This is the so-called plan B.

Now the question is how realistic it will be relative to the political environment with aims of unifying the EU into a single country under the unelected leadership of the EU Parliament.

The aim of SCAF is to distribute the "competence in France" after all. And Dassault is standing in the way of the EU's goals, hence Airbus' determination to grab more workshare to prevent Dassault from making independent decisions after Rafale is over.
 
Why do you even bother joining the partnership programs if you know there is no future? Its just waste of time.

It's not up to Dassault. But they are definitely going to become another victim of the globalists within a decade.

The rest of France's defense industry is already headed in that direction.

Thales' space sector is being readied for takeover too.

Meloni's still fighting back.

While Italy's far-right government has been broadly open to tie-ups with foreign companies, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has been active in using so-called anti-takeover "golden powers" to preserve the national interest in assets deemed as strategic.

Rome blocked a takeover of Italian components maker Microtecnica by France's Safran in November, threatening a wider $1.8 billion takeover of assets controlled by U.S. aerospace group Collins (RTX.N), opens new tab, before clearing the deal last month.

It also recently approved a law to boost Italy's presence in the space industry.
"The intent is clearly to try to build up critical mass in a sector that currently is not going well and is being undermined by players like Starlink," an Italian industry source said, referring to the reported talks between Airbus and Thales.


Safran is also deeply tied up with Airbus in space.

Only Dassault resists, but it will be futile. SCAF will ensure Dassault falls into Airbus' orbit as all the oldies like Charles Edelstenne and co retire.
 
Why do you even bother joining the partnership programs if you know there is no future? Its just waste of time.
Because it's not a Dassault decision, but a french government one. And Macron tried and tried to create an integrated Europe.
I agree : waste of time and money, specially with Germany.