Eurofighter Typhoon - Updates and Discussions
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So at least 2 more years ??
After the deal is signed it will still take about a year for anything to arrive. Squadron number will be done for and we will aquiring more Su 30s and Mig 29s. Not looking good.
It takes at least 3 years for the first plane to arrive, after deal is signed.So at least 2 more years ??
After the deal is signed it will still take about a year for anything to arrive. Squadron number will be done for and we will aquiring more Su 30s and Mig 29s. Not looking good.
Even if that's the case, the defence budget will still see positive growth, and any contracts signed will see bulk of the payments happening much later. A month after a contract is signed, only 10-15% of the contract value is released. So payments go out over many years, which allows the govt to plan properly even during economic problems.
I do not agree with that. Even when we had healthy revenue collection, growth in defense budget was pathetic. I don't see the logic why it would become better when revenue collection is below target.
The 10-15 % logic is also flawed. Because of this scheme (pay 10-15 % up front and rest in staggered manner), current defense budget need to account for not only 15% of any current deal but also the payments need to be done for all the previous deals. There is no easy way out, unless we start growing at 7-8 %.
So at least 2 more years ??
After the deal is signed it will still take about a year for anything to arrive. Squadron number will be done for and we will aquiring more Su 30s and Mig 29s. Not looking good.
At least 2 years for major movement on any 2nd tranche buy and then 3 years for delivery. So if we get stuff done by 2022, we will see the first jet only in 2025.
But it's fine. According to MMRCA, the delivery of first indigenous batch of 12 jets is not expected until 5 years after a contract is signed. So a signature in 2023 means the first jet is delivered in 2028. So the second tranche can be delivered between 2025 and 2028, and the MMRCA can begin delivery from 2028 onwards. In the meantime, the first batch of 16 jets will come from the French factory between 2026 and 2028.
It won't pan out if we continued as we used to before. But the advantage we have now is that we are making our own IP. So a lot of extra costs are now being saved by going for indigenous equipment with similar or better capability than imports.
Also, due to Indianising tech, the forces are able to spend on more important strategic imports while waiting for the Indianised equipment to finish development. So even though stuff is delayed, at least the forces are assured of getting something up and over the strategic imports. This allows them to plan better since they already know beforehand how much the indigenous stuff will likely cost even before it reaches the production line, unlike imports where you know nothing until you actually sign on the dotted line. This is one of the primary reasons why the navy has been able to manage with a smaller budget. Followed by the fact that we can buy in tranches instead of making big bang purchases right away.
So, even with a largely stagnant defence budget, the forces are able to continue modernisation.
Right now, the focus is on small stuff, to keep the forces going, as it was during 2014-19. The big ticket stuff's going to come into the picture only in 2023 and 2024. Hopefully, the govt fixes the economy by then.
No the 28 are the Rafale that remain to be delivered to complete the 60 of the tranche which is the 4th tranche being delivered to reach the 180 Rafale.
After that there will be a 5th tranche of 30 Rafale in order to reach 210 Rafale. These 58 Rafale will be F 4.2 from a material point of view. All Rafales already delivered may be converted to F 4.1.
In fact, it is the F 4.2 software that takes the longest time, even if it is the hardware, or rather the cost of the hardware that prevents the retrofit of the Rafale already delivered in 4.2.
But we will be able to deliver Rafale from 2021 with all the hardware provisions allowing them to switch to 4.2 when the software is ready.
I went by this article.
France Launches Rafale F4 Upgrade
The first batch of F4.1 Rafales will comprise 28 aircraft, already contracted for, while the later F4.2 batch will comprise 30 machines that are due for delivery by 2030. These are expected to be ordered in 2023 and will bring expected French Rafale procurement to 210. Qualification of F4 is slated for 2024, but Dassault reports that some elements could become available by 2022, and some elements could be retrofitted to current in-service aircraft.
Anyway, it will be good to see the 2nd batch of Rafales in the F4.2 version.
One extract of this document:
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=25484&sid=5fd71907ad137a02dcc17774fb7f7a09 page 7 (begining)
All Tranche 4 aircraft – the 28 airframe to be delivered in 2021-23, and all Tranche 5 Rafales will be delivered as F4.2 aircraft.
And there have been changes since this document was published since F4.1 is now scheduled for 2022 and F4.2 for 2024 instead of 2023 and 2025 respectively.
All the Rafales that have already been produced (152 Rafale) will be retrofitted to F 4.1 and the remaining part of Tranche 4 (28 Rafale) and Tranche 5 will be produced to F 4.2 standards.
F 4.1 is the sub part of F 4.2 that can be used on the old hardware. Because to develop and test your software you need the hardware to be available this sub part can be developed faster than the whole F 4.2, and because the hardware is to be available at the begining of tests, production of Rafale could have hardware provision before the software is available.
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Okay, so the Tranche 4 will be even better then. That's good news then.
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