Most of the vendors IA had approached are producing heavy weight or 55-65+ tanks, then why we aren't upgrading Arjun's engine and make use Arjun or its variants? As you said Heavy tanks cannot invade Pakistan due to its canal networks, then how these heavy tanks will manage this.
If Arjun was from the get-go aimed to be a 7 million dollar tank and MoD Approved knowing well it won't be able to afford it , who is at fault then. Approve projects that are within aukaad. If MoD had envisioned Arjun as a 25/30 tank per year system, they were never serious about indegenious tank that would replace 2300 t72's tp begin with. The plan always was to rely on imports, then why all this Make in India BS is being peddled every other day. I doesn't seem like there is rot in MOD, perhaps ROT is MOD
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You think in 1974 they were planning for a $7M tank?
And who said MoD envisioned 25-30/year? It's all about the size of orders and the production line is expanded based on that. Do you think the T-90 also started off as 150/year? Not at all. Even the T-90 started with less than 50 per year.
You are mistaken. This is not about buying an existing tank, it's about creating a whole new tank. This tank is expected to be below 58T, actually it's 50T, +/- 8T, as per old requirements. So the IA is looking for something that's between 42T and 58T. And 58T is the upper limit. Maybe it's the same today, but it's definitely for a UCP. With the exception of Armata, all other existing tanks are not UCP.
You are right, given the leadership of MoD , pretty sure they are still following a 1974 Plan. Have they started using paper or are they still chiseling stone tablets till now?
This MoD should focus on buying rickshaws instead. Not one procurement or make program has it delivered effectively over decades now.
Every one including Russians & European are going for 152 mm & 130/140 mm guns, so my question is how a 42t -58t tank will withstand the tremendous recoil of such guns, if IA going such guns.
Offtopic: Why Russians are making 152 mm instead of 155mm. Then they can use same existing howitzer barrels ,thus by saving lot of R&D.
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Because they can, forcing all future operators to use their licensed ammunition.
Very soon With every 60 odd Tanks in a Tank Regiment , we would require at least 15 Anti Aircraft Guns for handling Swarm Drone attacks
Thank you, I guess that's the price of self reliance... ..we will have to live with it for some time to come
Wow, @Milspec, I have been following yr posts for long, may I ask whats been your area of education and expertise in? I do apologize if I have transgressed any lines here.
Operators needs to depend them If they have used 155 mm too. As of now no tank ammunition exist for 155 or 152 mm.
152 mm Cannon for T-14: Actuality and Perspectives – New Defence Order. Strategy
Author Artur Kovalivsky. The idea to install the 152 mm cannon to the tank is nothing new; the attempts to install such type of guns were made as far back as the middle 1980s, though technical difficulties, excess capacity and crisis in the country made it impossible to implement this idea in...
Specifications of the 2A82-1M 125 mm cannon:
- Cannon type: Smoothbore with chrome-plated barrel;
- Weight – 2,700 kg;
- Barrel length – 7,000 mm;
- Muzzle velocity – 2,050 m/s;
- Effective range:
- missiles – 4,700 m;
- jet guided missiles (JGM) 3UBK21 Sprinter – 8,000 m;
- anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) Refleks-M – 5,500 m;
- Firing rate – 10–12 rounds per minute;
- Muzzle energy – 15–24 MJ;
- Penetration of the armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) – 850–1,000 mm;
- ATGM penetration – 950 mm;
- Cannon service life – 800–900 rounds;
- Ammunition – 45 shells;
- Autoloader – 32 shells.
Specifications of the 2А83 152 mm cannon:
- Cannon type: Smoothbore with chrome-plated barrel;
- Weight – more than 5,000 kg;
- Barrel length – 7,200 mm;
- Muzzle velocity – 1,980 m/s;
- Effective range:
- missiles – 5,100 m;
- the Krasnopol 2K25 JGM – 20,000 m;
- the Krasnopol ZOF38 JGM – 12,000 m;
- Firing rate – 10-15 rounds per minute;
- Muzzle energy – 20–25 MJ;
- APDS penetration – 1,024 mm;
- ATGM penetration – 1,200–1,400 m;
- Cannon barrel service life – 280 rounds;
- Ammunition – 40 shells;
- Autoloader – 24 shells.
Why would recoil be a problem? Haven't you seen artillery guns are even larger, but even trucks carry them?
Truck needs to stop and use it's elephant leg or similar mechanism to secure position before it fire shots. And K9 Vajra, without any armour protection weighs 47t alone. If you use similar 152mm on tank, technically speaking it must have more weight.
But the overall weight will go up especially when weight is an issue
55 tonnes would be the Maximum upper limit for FRCV
If weight increases , then mobility will decrease , making them sitting ducks for Drones
Not really. The T-95 came with a 152mm gun and it weighed 55T.
A tank can't really escape from a drone with mobility. Defences have to come from the tank's EW suite and offboard support like the SPAD-GMS/QRSAM and of course, air superiority.