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Navy's training ship INS Tarangini:
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Southern Naval Command's land based twin barreled CIWS for coastal defense. Anybody know which gun is that ?
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A small battle group of the IN's Western Naval Command (WNC). WNC has many such battle groups.
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The 4 ships are (left to right): INS Mumbai (D62), INS Talwar (F40), INS Gomati (F20) & INS Delhi (D61).

Combined they carry :

2 x 100mm AK-100 naval gun
1 x 100mm AK-190E naval gun
1 x twin barrel 57mm AK-257 naval gun
12 x AK-630 CIWS
1 x Kashtan CIWS
5 x RBU-6000 rocket launcher

4 x P-15 Termit AShM/LACM
32 x Kh-35E AShM/LACM
8 x Klub AShM/LACM

8 x Igla-1E
40 x Barak-1 point defence missile
72 x Shtil-1 medium range AD missile

12 x 533mm torpedo launch tubes (unknown number of Type 53-65 or TEST 71-76 or Varunastra or the upcoming EHWT torpedoes)
6 x 324mm torpedo launch tubes (unknown number of TAL Shyena or ALWT or Whitehead A 244S or the upcoming Jalastra torpedoes)

7 x Sea King Mk 42B or HAL Dhruv or HAL Chetak or Ka-28 or Ka-31 helicopters

Pretty impressive weapon load especially given all of the ships here are quite old. @Ashwin @randomradio @Sathya @Parthu @Ankit Kumar @Chain Smoker @vargr et al.
 
A small battle group of the IN's Western Naval Command (WNC). WNC has many such battle groups.
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The 4 ships are (left to right): INS Mumbai (D62), INS Talwar (F40), INS Gomati (F20) & INS Delhi (D61).

Combined they carry :

2 x 100mm AK-100 naval gun
1 x 100mm AK-190E naval gun
1 x twin barrel 57mm AK-257 naval gun
12 x AK-630 CIWS
1 x Kashtan CIWS
5 x RBU-6000 rocket launcher

4 x P-15 Termit AShM/LACM
32 x Kh-35E AShM/LACM
8 x Klub AShM/LACM

8 x Igla-1E
40 x Barak-1 point defence missile
72 x Shtil-1 medium range AD missile

12 x 533mm torpedo launch tubes (unknown number of Type 53-65 or TEST 71-76 or Varunastra or the upcoming EHWT torpedoes)
6 x 324mm torpedo launch tubes (unknown number of TAL Shyena or ALWT or Whitehead A 244S or the upcoming Jalastra torpedoes)

7 x Sea King Mk 42B or HAL Dhruv or HAL Chetak or Ka-28 or Ka-31 helicopters

Pretty impressive weapon load especially given all of the ships here are quite old. @Ashwin @randomradio @Sathya @Parthu @Ankit Kumar @Chain Smoker @vargr et al.

Man, Gomati, actually F21, needs to be retired. I don't know how long they are gonna flog her.

And with this configuration, all 4 will get sunk together. It makes for a nice photo, but shows off the grim reality of old ships.
 
Man, Gomati, actually F21, needs to be retired. I don't know how long they are gonna flog her.
At least until INS Nilgiri arrives.
And with this configuration, all 4 will get sunk together. It makes for a nice photo, but shows off the grim reality of old ships.
Their area of deployment is South Western part of the Indian Ocean, Madagascar to South Africa. What exact will sink these ships ?
 
Their area of deployment is South Western part of the Indian Ocean, Madagascar to South Africa. What exact will sink these ships ?

There's nothing threatening them now. Pointing it out in general.

We go by a three tier system, advanced, current and obsolete. Currently, our advanced ships are only the three Kolkatas. The rest can be sunk using supersonic CMs, 'cause they all lack the hard-kill ability with their old Shtils and Barak 1s. Only once the new Bs and As are in can we call ourselves a viable navy when facing off the PLAN, along with the new Talwars and MLU'd Talwars and Delhis, when we will climb up from 3 viable ships to 22 by 2025.
 
Gomati will go out early next year imo.

The 3 Delhi class will likely be transferred to Eastern Naval Command to replace the Rajput Class. Good replacement if talking in terms of Rajputs.
 
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Gomati will go out early next year imo.

The 3 Delhi class will likely be transferred to Eastern Naval Command to replace the Rajput Class. Good replacement if talking in terms of Rajputs.

It doesn't matter, TCs will come into play and the ENC will be no more.
 
Talking about TCs. The one for Navy seems most easy to create.

Creation of a marine force, and weather it should remain with Army, or Navy or a seperate arm, that would be interesting.

I actually hope they create a new service, since we need a large marine corps in the future. But we can't afford to do that anytime soon.
 
A small battle group of the IN's Western Naval Command (WNC). WNC has many such battle groups.
View attachment 21093
The 4 ships are (left to right): INS Mumbai (D62), INS Talwar (F40), INS Gomati (F20) & INS Delhi (D61).

Combined they carry :

2 x 100mm AK-100 naval gun
1 x 100mm AK-190E naval gun
1 x twin barrel 57mm AK-257 naval gun
12 x AK-630 CIWS
1 x Kashtan CIWS
5 x RBU-6000 rocket launcher

4 x P-15 Termit AShM/LACM
32 x Kh-35E AShM/LACM
8 x Klub AShM/LACM

8 x Igla-1E
40 x Barak-1 point defence missile
72 x Shtil-1 medium range AD missile

So I realize they're being replaced by newer, more effective weapons, but what modifications were made to Indian P-15's to make them more survivable? The Termit was notoriously easy to fool with ECM. A launching ship or shore battery would often have to provide electronic support to a P-15 so it could breakthrough jamming countermeasures, though in practice most P-15s used on combat were successfully destroyed by defending forces.

For those of you who've never see one in person, imagine launching a truck at an enemy ship. That's how massive the P-15 is.

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So I realize they're being replaced by newer, more effective weapons, but what modifications were made to Indian P-15's to make them more survivable? The Termit was notoriously easy to fool with ECM. A launching ship or shore battery would often have to provide electronic support to a P-15 so it could breakthrough jamming countermeasures, though in practice most P-15s used on combat were successfully destroyed by defending forces.

For those of you who've never see one in person, imagine launching a truck at an enemy ship. That's how massive the P-15 is.

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The old P-15s were relegated to training as aerial targets since the mid 80s, also sinking stuff we didn't need anymore. We kept them around until 2006 I believe.

The modernised P-15, in the form of P-21 and 22, we use today comes with modernised active and IR seekers. The radar seeker is solid state with HoJ features. There's too much secrecy surrounding both seekers though.
 
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So I realize they're being replaced by newer, more effective weapons, but what modifications were made to Indian P-15's to make them more survivable?
None whatsoever. The P-15s were imported from Soviet Union at a time when we did not have the technical competency to make much, if any, modifications to it. I don't recall ever hearing of an Indian project to upgrade the P-15s.

They were initially replaced by the Kh-35E. Then eventually the Brahmos & Club missiles replaced the P-15s completely from ship bourne services.

The P-15s were retained for coastal defence applications:
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Even there the Brahmos is replacing them:
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The Kh-35E is also going to be replaced in phases in a similar manner like the P-15s.
though in practice most P-15s used on combat were successfully destroyed by defending forces.
The IN used it successfully against the Pakistan in 1971.

Operation Trident (1971) - Wikipedia

Operation Python - Wikipedia
 
None whatsoever. The P-15s were imported from Soviet Union at a time when we did not have the technical competency to make much, if any, modifications to it. I don't recall ever hearing of an Indian project to upgrade the P-15s.
In fact, this was the first successful upgrade navy did in-house. Its called P-20/21. All older P-15s were retired long back.