What are those midget submarines like? Dry or wet transports for commandos?
If the claim is true, then this is not looking good for a sub to get detected so frequently.
And all the videos looks quite similar and probably have been taken during snorkeling to charge the batteries. That also begets a question if the Indian nervy by not opting for French AIP, have shot themselves in the foot. As it was clear that DRDO is never going to deliver anything they had promised.
All our subs are without AIP till date and therefore are very prone to getting detected by MPAs of enemy.
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With due respect to everyone, I don’t buy that argument. If you are a sailor, Why do you want to get caught so frequently ?
Why not fire a BM or CM and announce it later to the enemy that you were there and it’s enemy can’t detect you
Like how Russians or USN used to project power during Cold War.
Also there are surface ships like destroyers and battle cruisers that can do the power projection better than a small sub.
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That's how they do submarines during peacetime. Most of them simply surface in the middle of exercises or show up in areas least expected, particularly near harbours and bases and such. And the opposite also happens, if an enemy sub is detected they all chase it around and force it to surface.
The sub was apparently just outside the territorial waters of Pak, which means the harbour was well within the range of torpedoes. So this incident would actually be embarassing to the PN.
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If a submarine is actually seen by PN, it only means that the submarine wants to be seen.
When going stealth, the batteries have more than enough capabilities that the submarines will launch there Klubs and come out of Pakistani waters(not EEZ) without the need to snorkel.
Or Exocet
PS : just did a quick google mapping and seems like it was pretty close to the Karachi harbour. Perhaps a courtesy call to PN as I don’t think they had any intention of going inside the Karachi port.
That's delusional way of putting things. What is the range of Indian navy SSKs between two submerges? What will be maximum on station time and range available for an Indian submarine? I think it's very less if it has to do both, transit (either on diesel engine or battery) and on station time. Hence in all probability Indian SSKs will go to snorkeling depth to recharge their batteries quite often. Whether they will take risk in day time is a different matter.
Its more than enough for operations from Mumbai to Pak seaboard.
AIP is non determination in this case. AIP cannot be used to run the submarines at more than 3-4 knots submerged. The. AIP will come in handy when we need it for say laying low around Malacca in ambush.
Whatever range AIP equipped submarine offers is much better than a Non- AIP submarine as if it wants to transit underwater it has to run its diesel engine which sucks the oxygen pretty fast. Batteries don't offer the range and speed to travel such distances, used mostly for staying underwater stationary. What my understanding says is that these submarines travel on surface or recharge their batteries regularly mostly in night, to reach their operational area and there they remain submerged stationary for remaining of on station time. After that they again start their transit back to home base either via snorkeling battery recharge or on surface whichever is deemed better.
Again my personal opinion says it could be indian submarine or it could not be, no way of identifying that just on basis of videos where only partial mast is visible.
When our EKM is totally submerged once fully charging up, it can very well travel more than 450km fully submerged. (In non ideal situations) , don't know exactly how much is it in nautical miles. In ideal situations, ranges can be upto 40% more.
Patrol speeds vary between 7-12 knots submerged, AIP cannot provide that.
AIP is important but not an absolute necessity.
Don't know the range values of Type 209 or Scorpene fully submerged.
A sub is highly vulnerable during snorkaling. Non AIP subs have limited range per charge and therefore are very predictable and easy to intercept. Fortunately we are not at war since long, so forces can get away with any blunder they have committed and can twist things or even deny that anything is wrong or need to change.
Sub Chalta hai.
A sub will never do snorkling during daytime even in international waters. At tmes it is done for checking out equipment or prior to surfacing. Plus the sub was in Indian EEZ. far away from Pakistan waters. A sub normally disappears just after hitting 30m line. After that it never surfaces till it returns from the patrol. The recharging is done at night. with fully charged batteries a Kilo class can maintain patrol for three days at 4 kts speed in its patrol station.