Nuke capable? oh yes, forgot the soon to come B61-12 .... Gravity bomb, outdated for decades as compared, e.g., to french ASMP and incoming ASN4G. Penetrating is not only a question of "stealthiness", it is a question of survivability, which is a combination of many factors including ECM, discretion (yes i admit it), tactics, doctrina, kinematics, type of bomb, and.... Range. In th end, F-35 is short legged, which is quite a disavantage while using gravity bombs...
India - France relations.
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Ah yes the rumored offer where she wasn't even authorized to make such a deal because that is congresses job. As far back as 2007 India wanted the F-35 and were going to get a classified briefing until Washington blocked it.
In 2018 again India came asking.
-The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.
The United States has not formally offered the aircraft to India and any classified briefing would require clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State.
Report: India Requests Classified F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Briefing
Is the Indian military interested in procuring the F-35A Lightning II from the US?
thediplomat.com
In 2021 they asked the main Indian military Jefe (RIP) about the F-35...
-Indian media has reported in the past that New Delhi has on several occasions expressed interest in acquiring the F-35 fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) from American defence giant Lockheed Martin. General Bipin Rawat, India’s chief of defence staff, says that the technology has never been offered by the US to India. Indian Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat on Thursday scotched a longstanding rumour about India’s possible acquisition of American F-35 fighter jets, as he told a foreign policy conference that Washington had never offered New Delhi the multirole combat aircraft.
“I am not sure the US will share this technology. What they have offered us is a lower version of the F series,” Rawat said during a panel discussion at the ongoing Raisina Dialogue conference.
US Never Offered India F-35 Jets, Unlikely it Would Share Technology: India’s Joint Defence Chief - ELE Times
Indian media has reported in the past that New Delhi has on several occasions expressed interest in acquiring the F-35 fifth-generation
www.eletimes.com
Lol. Wow you had to reach far into the past, eh? How about recent? Here let me help you.
-Dassault is attempting to distance itself from a corruption scandal surrounding its bid to win South Korea's F-X fighter competition with the Rafale.
The French manufacturer says it has broken ties with local trading company Comet International, which had been one of its agents in the campaign.
The move follows the arrest by military police of South Korean air force Col Cho Joo-hyong on suspicion of receiving an unauthorised 11 million won ($8,400) payment from Comet.
A second air force officer, who worked with Cho on the F-X evaluation team, has also been arrested.
Dassault drops South Koreans over F-X scandal
www.flightglobal.com
How about more recent...
-French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7.5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.
According to Mediapart's investigation, Dassault Aviation paid the kickbacks to the intermediary in Mauritius between 2007 and 2012.
Mediapart had reported in July that a French judge has been appointed to lead a "highly sensitive" judicial investigation into suspected corruption" and favoritism in the Rs 59,000-crore inter-governmental deal with India for the supply of 36 Rafale fighter jets.
Dassault reportedly paid at least 7.5 million euros in bribes to a middleman between 2007 and 2012 | Business Insider India
French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7. 5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.
This one really baffles me. Why would Dassault need to bribe India if your french plane was a sure thing?
It is fine to inform us about accusations, but what we are interested in is information about convictions.
You nervous picoil? You shouldn't what is done is done India has its 36 french planes that likely didn't want but had to accept after some official got bribed and put in a good spin/hype because what else can they do. Maybe that is why they settled for 36, but hey well done from Dassault able to "sell" 36 fighters to a nation that is in need for a bunch of modern fighters. 
Mediapart is not a french investigative newspaper. It is a full left wing tabloid, driven by a supporter of Tariq Ramadan. It's a full lot of BS.Lol. Wow you had to reach far into the past, eh? How about recent? Here let me help you.
-Dassault is attempting to distance itself from a corruption scandal surrounding its bid to win South Korea's F-X fighter competition with the Rafale.
The French manufacturer says it has broken ties with local trading company Comet International, which had been one of its agents in the campaign.
The move follows the arrest by military police of South Korean air force Col Cho Joo-hyong on suspicion of receiving an unauthorised 11 million won ($8,400) payment from Comet.
A second air force officer, who worked with Cho on the F-X evaluation team, has also been arrested.
Dassault drops South Koreans over F-X scandal
How about more recent...
-French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7.5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.
According to Mediapart's investigation, Dassault Aviation paid the kickbacks to the intermediary in Mauritius between 2007 and 2012.
Mediapart had reported in July that a French judge has been appointed to lead a "highly sensitive" judicial investigation into suspected corruption" and favoritism in the Rs 59,000-crore inter-governmental deal with India for the supply of 36 Rafale fighter jets.
Dassault reportedly paid at least 7.5 million euros in bribes to a middleman between 2007 and 2012 | Business Insider India
French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7. 5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.www.businessinsider.in
Me nervous? when the prospects for the Rafale have never been so good and its production is already assured for the next 10 years?You nervous picoil? You shouldn't what is done is done India has its 36 french planes that likely didn't want but had to accept after some official got bribed and put in a good spin/hype because what else can they do. Maybe that is why they settled for 36, but hey well done from Dassault able to "sell" 36 fighters to a nation that is in need for a bunch of modern fighters.
An Air Marshal explaining why it's too late for the F-35 to enter the IAF's race even though LM offered it.
F-35 Offer
www.sps-aviation.com
And for other reasons:
Besides as per the request for proposal (RFP), the contending aircraft “must be in operational service”, a condition the F-35 does not fulfil.
The F-35 doesn't meet this requirement even today.
An Air Marshal explaining why it's too late for the F-35 to enter the IAF's race even though LM offered it.
F-35 Offer
www.sps-aviation.com
And for other reasons:
Besides as per the request for proposal (RFP), the contending aircraft “must be in operational service”, a condition the F-35 does not fulfil.
Well duh the F-35 was in block 2/testing phase wasn't even IOC yet for the US. But lets EXACTLY take a look at the words used in your article...
-However, there was a flurry of excitement in some quarters when Michael Rein, Director Communications, Lockheed Martin’s F35 programme disclosed to the media that his company was prepared to offer the F-35 joint strike fighter for the $11 billion ( Rs 50,000 crore) 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender for the Indian Air Force (IAF) subject to clearance by the US government.
So LM was prepared to offer but as we all know US said no way. Here's more from your article...
-The offer of F-35 to India is nothing new as in response to a tender by the Indian Ministry of Defence in November last year for up to 40 aircraft, Lockheed Martin was contemplating offer of the F-35C, the carrier based version. While nothing further has been heard of the offer to the Indian Navy; the implications and connotations of the offer of the F-35 for the MMRCA tender warrants scrutiny.
"Prepare" and "contemplating" no where do I see US OFFERED F-35 to India anywhere.
Lol. That's funny coming from you. F-35 today outclasses anything IAF flies right now. Outclasses anything china flies right now and we all know the chicom air force outclasses the IAF by far.
Since 2011 what does India have to show for... 36 french planes!
More than ten years and all you got to show for is 36 4th gen fighters while your friendly neighbor to your north is already operating over a 120 5th gen fighters while another 5th gen prototype is flying. They don't need to use their J-20s on you since their 150+ latest J-10c can take care of the french plane by sheer numbers alone.
I know asking this will get a dumb response that will make me laugh but here goes... Btw what is this requirement you think the F-35 doesn't meet because IAF thinks otherwise asking for the F-35 but getting turned down?
The Pentagon did. When the F-35 couldn't fit into the MMRCA, the Pentagon offered the jet outside the MMRCA contract. That's when Ashton Carter said India only needs to ask for it and the Pentagon will allow it.
IN's tender was also for... “must be in operational service”
You are really a funny guy. Always good to open your messages and have a daily laugh. When Indian press make an assumption that displease you, it is a rumour. When it is your opinion, it is a FACT. Same as "rafale beaten by F-18 in switzerland", just hot air. Mediapart is not an investigative journal, is is a communist tabloid claiming to be one. And they gave no clue, as usual. No charges for Dassault in Korea are they? If you want to talk about a real scandal involving Serge Dassault (and not the Dassault company), look at Belgium.Lol. Wow you had to reach far into the past, eh? How about recent? Here let me help you.
-Dassault is attempting to distance itself from a corruption scandal surrounding its bid to win South Korea's F-X fighter competition with the Rafale.
The French manufacturer says it has broken ties with local trading company Comet International, which had been one of its agents in the campaign.
The move follows the arrest by military police of South Korean air force Col Cho Joo-hyong on suspicion of receiving an unauthorised 11 million won ($8,400) payment from Comet.
A second air force officer, who worked with Cho on the F-X evaluation team, has also been arrested.
Dassault drops South Koreans over F-X scandal
How about more recent...
-French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7.5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.
According to Mediapart's investigation, Dassault Aviation paid the kickbacks to the intermediary in Mauritius between 2007 and 2012.
Mediapart had reported in July that a French judge has been appointed to lead a "highly sensitive" judicial investigation into suspected corruption" and favoritism in the Rs 59,000-crore inter-governmental deal with India for the supply of 36 Rafale fighter jets.
Dassault reportedly paid at least 7.5 million euros in bribes to a middleman between 2007 and 2012 | Business Insider India
French investigative journal Mediapart has made fresh claims that alleged bogus invoices were used that enabled French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation to pay at least 7. 5 million euros in secret commissions to a middleman to help it secure the Rafale deal with India.
Again, where are charges against Dassault Aviation? NOWHERE. Your usual method : baseless claims, bold undocumented assumptions + a pinch of USA stronk. thx for the daily laughter.
Before nicknaming people, which is very rude btw, why not check who is Pic de la Mirandole? You may learn something (for once). Dassault sold about 120 Rafale fighters in 2021. Speaks for itself. Again you are using words such as "likely", "Maybe" etc. You are talking like usual, asserting without any evidence, niether understanding of local situation. WhotAir...You nervous picoil? You shouldn't what is done is done India has its 36 french planes that likely didn't want but had to accept after some official got bribed and put in a good spin/hype because what else can they do. Maybe that is why they settled for 36, but hey well done from Dassault able to "sell" 36 fighters to a nation that is in need for a bunch of modern fighters.
The Kabbalah, that's where we found the explanation of the active cancellation
Vice Admiral Christophe Lucas, Head of Foreign Relations (French Navy) visited #IFCIOR and was briefed on the collaborative efforts of the Centre towards enhancing maritime safety and security in #IOR.@indiannavy @MarineNationale @FranceinIndia @IndiaembFrance @FFEAU_ALINDIEN pic.twitter.com/wtltJJ4ruj
— IFC-IOR (@IFC_IOR) January 4, 2022
It is the basic nature of US, excuses can be generated at their whims & fancies.
22 apaches are going to take on china at the himalayan heights? good luck with that. Those apaches are more or less for fight in the plains not mountains.
India is not going to fight china on the sea , simply bcos we are losing nothing in the seas. P8's or no P8s we have nothing to lose in the seas, given that chinese cannot even break out of SCS without getting noticed what makes you think they will be threat to India near our shores ? Do you even think chinese are stupid to disrupt their own shipping by fighting in these seas?
There is no point in buying a weapon system which cannot be used when needed. When India floated tender for 128 aircraft it was made quite clear that there will be not just offset but complete TOT. This is to ensure complete control over the system and protect our self from supply chain issues. This virtually rules out F35.
In short buying from US is like visiting a pro**** for one time f**** but no one will think of maintaining a long term relationship. I suppose they can keep f*** their reputation endlessly with utter disregard for norms and playing cheap games but there is a price to pay in the long run.
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whole idea of trying to dragging India into F35 was to milk us for money. It initially started with f16 assembly line transfer to India as a money spinner but India rejected it out rightly. Just imagine investing in it and then getting sanctioned later, that would have been stupidity of highest order.
That's pretty much the point. LM wanted to boost their numbers, since India was open to buy 300+ such jets between the IAF and IN at the time.
The USG denied potential sales to LM due to Russian involvement in India and the fact that India was yet to sign all the necessary agreements and get into all the necessary nuclear groups before such technologies were to be exported.
Anyway, the F-35 offer to the IAF was unsolicited, meaning India did not ask for it, the Americans offered it in lieu of MMRCA.
Operational? Your plane has a 50% MCR. Lol.
And according to the Swiss und Finns the "prototypes" were far superior and less expensive to operate... Actually Europe would rather buy US "prototypes" than to fly your underpowered brick that is only available half the time.
