India-Nepal Relations

Being clever and bold requires only guts which Indians lack. Indians are introvert and whatever they do is for domestic audience. Ghar ka sher bahar geedad!
thats right.
So Indians have ample of time to waste resources on useless crap! One side Pakistanis, other side now Nepalis, soon Sri Lanka will ask Rameshwaram. Lack of talent in MEA is the cause. These diplomats are not doing their work properly.
Its not lack of talent , MEA is run by bureaucrats they will only respond and maintain the status quo. They cannot do anything without govts directive.
It is the govt which should keep watching and take a pro-active approach. Unfortunately our politicians spend more time inward (putting down each other) rather than outward due to which we are always caught off guard. Again as you said we are only lions at home.
MEA & defence should be made quasi independent where things are handled pro-actively from long term strategic perspective and made accountable. I dont think monkeys ( aka ministers ) would want to give up their power.
 
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The newly added areas of Indian Terrotory in Nepal's new map will now become a tripartite dispute thanks to Nepal.
Negative. The Kalapani / Lipulekh dispute is purely between India & Nepal. China's claims on some pastures in UK is very small & is west of Kalapani. There can only be an issue if China recognizes them as part of Nepal but China has already signed an agreement with India to allow pilgrims to Kailash - Maansarovar along the Lipulekh route, which means China recognizes it as part of India. Nepal is just firing blanks. Sharma Oli's time is up. He's unnecessarily provoked India. He'd pay the price.
 
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Now remove the open border policy and treat them as any other neighbour.

India and Indians need jobs after Covid other nationalities taking jobs should not be allowed. We need money too so all those relaxations and concessions in trade and transit be revoked, aid can be suspended. Let Anti India nationalism come at some cost. We should not fund anti India freeloaders just because they are Hindus, we already have JNU to throw our money.
 
India and Indians need jobs after Covid other nationalities taking jobs should not be allowed. We need money too so all those relaxations and concessions in trade and transit be revoked, aid can be suspended. Let Anti India nationalism come at some cost. We should not fund anti India freeloaders just because they are Hindus, we already have JNU to throw our money.
Trust Nepali politicians to cut their nose to spite their faces.
 
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We should attack Nepal and restore monarchy there. Enough of this democracy shit which is only helping Chinese to gain influence in our neighborhood.
 
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Toppling monarchy in Nepal was a very big mistake. Now we are bearing it's consequences.

Thanks to Congress (sonia) and left. Reinstating monarchy rule in Nepal will be near impossible for all. I haven't read the constitution of Nepal, may be if there is some law only that will bring the Monarchy back, other wise unless until People come on streets and demand the Kingdom back.

It was a played tactic, to balkanize India, first create anti Indian governments and instate anti Indian leaders in neighboring countries. India got played into that due to wrong government in India.
 
Its not lack of talent , MEA is run by bureaucrats they will only respond and maintain the status quo. They cannot do anything without govts directive.
It is the govt which should keep watching and take a pro-active approach. Unfortunately our politicians spend more time inward (putting down each other) rather than outward due to which we are always caught off guard.

To be frank, India wastes billions on diplomacy and doesn't get anything out of it. Well with some countries, India has got good relations but most of the times the latter knows India lack guts and supporting India will be of no use even if they want to.
 
Insightful as always.






08/21/2009, 00.00

INDIA - CHINA

Mumbai (AsiaNews) - The government of New Dehli made an official protest for the content of an article appeared on a Chinese site that aims to divide India in “20-30 small states” giving support to guerillas and nationalist movements present on the territory of the great nation or abroad.
Posted on April 8 on the website www.iiss.cn (International Institute for Strategic Studies) the article detailed a roadmap for breaking up India.
There it is stated: “To split India, China can bring into its fold countries like Pakistan, Nepal and Bhutan, support ULFA in attaining its goal in Assam’ independence, back aspirations of Indian nationalities like Tamil and Nagas, encourage Bangladesh to give a push to the independence of West Bengal and lastly recover the 90,000 sq km territory in southern Tibet.”
The Government of India made inquiries about how much this website has the support of the Chinese Government and logged a protest. The Indian media spoke of a “quasi-official Chinese website”.
This idea of balkanization of India is old as the Indian state itself. After independence, in 1947, in the political circles of Europe many observers were predicting that India, after the tragic start with partition, will not hold together. After all India had never been a single political unit. The British Empire put it together and marked the boundaries from east, north and west. India does not have a common language. Immediately after independence there were internal fighting to redraw the boundaries of the different Indian states. The criterion of division according to the different languages was accepted. But many states are still quarrelling for the boundaries and for the utilization of rivers water.
Chennai and Tamil Nadu are more concerned with Tamilian brothers of Sri Lanka and of Bangalore. The seven states of the north-east consider themselves as colonies under the military rule of Delhi and guerilla is going on in all of them. Kashmir is in turmoil since 25 years for separation or a better autonomy. An in many central states the Maoist-Naxalite guerilla is going on since decades.
All this may give the idea to an outsider that the cohesion of India is very week and its break-up possible. Up till now India had survived doomsday predictions of its balkanization but the Chinese are still harping on it.
The article posted on the website continues: “In view of the above, China in its own interest and the progress of the hole Asia, should join forces with different nationalities like Assamese, Tamil and Kashmiris, and support the latter in establishing independent nation-states of their own, out of India.” And all this must be done for the sake of change and progress in the subcontinent: “Only after India has been broken up into 20-30 pieces will there be any real reform or social change in the country.”
An article like this will convince the hardliners in India about Beijing’s gameplan to encircle India in alliance with regimes in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal, by supporting insurgent groups.
After a few days, following the protest from New Delhi, Kang Lingyi, the founding editor of the www.iiss.cn said that he edits the site on his own without any government backing and the article was a web posting by an anonymous user.
But D S Rajan, director of the Chennai Centre for China Studies, who translated the article from Chinese and published it, said: “The Chinese are speaking to India in several voices. This second voice is part-official but not completely so. It gives the Chinese Government deniability, but there has been a long stream of similar sounding statements”.
 
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This is reverse Dokhlam done to India by China hiding behind Nepal (Bhutan in previous case). Similarities are uncanny just like construction of road.

By the way, has anyone noticed shifting trend of hub of anti-India narratives? Jihadis are shifting outwards to Pakistan and as far as Gulf since India don't offer favorable circumstances anymore. Similarly, now Commies are shifting outward towards Nepal i.e, these ideologies are betting on fighting from their strongholds rather than squirming in India.
 
Nepal was part of many kingdoms of India. Many Indian kings had annexed it to be part of their kingdom. Nepal became independent nation under Britishers. We can always claim whole of Nepal to be our territory. They have decided to go back on the border agreement they had with British India, what stops us from going back to an earlier period of History or even to the days of Chandragupta Maurya?
As far as martial traditions are concerned, while I do respect the valour of Gurkhas, it needs to be emphatically told that soldiers from Poorvanchal had defeated not just the Afghans and sikhs but also Gurkhas under British India. Bhumiyaar and Rajput soldiers of Bengal presidency were instrumental in making East India Company the ruler of India. These Nepalese better watchout.
The thrid rate statement of Oli that Nepal is one of 16 conutries which was never colonized must be read with an additional statement that it was due to Indians of present day that they survived.
 
Breaking apart Nepal is hardly a problem for India as most of its territory is under Madhesis who are Indians settled in Nepal and its citizens. They control 23% by area and constitute over 45% of its population.
Let's not get too excited. There is a high chance that we might end up repeating the eelam war and gain nothing considering the ineptitude of our ruling class.
 
Let's not get too excited. There is a high chance that we might end up repeating the eelam war and gain nothing considering the ineptitude of our ruling class.

To tackle problem in Nepal, you might need such a government in UK, UP, Bihar and WB which takes national security seriously not necessarily BJP. And you also need bold CMs in these states. Who understand the dynamics. Yogi and Nitish Kumar are fine, but that Rawat in UK (altough he is in BJP) and Mamta bano is like a mismatch.