Maybe he is also referring to pakistan civil war... And we are not going to attack them.. Just keep a pressure on their forces"Wo apni maut marega" Modi just took a jine at Pakistan.
(Pakistan will die it's own death - Modi)
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Errr .. hemorrhaging equates to territorial gains? Or does its colloquial use indicate both actual bleeding (to denote the loss of lives) and friends (in diplomatic field)
For reference: Urban Dictionary: hemorrhage
And my intent on still hanging around on this forum is to make sure accuracies, to the best of my capability to track things down, are maintained. Sorry if my calling out bullshit as such is taken as being offensive. Baba is throwing bullshit too in between, because his target is DG ISPR and Pakistani citizens. Mine are Indians, to check jingoism pre-dominating the reality.
Am training the so called 'guns' on fallacies that crop up. That is equally important, to check ourselves from building a narrative that makes us a victim of it's own success.
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I am merely pointing out that few points along contiguous ridges have been occupied for tactical advantages. The same is very different from capture of territory.
If people are equating the two, then I really can not help the inability to discern the issue.
I respect your right to believe in what you believe.
Just read it very carefully. And read through your posts. Understand the inherent antithesis to the statements here.
Only if Indian Army was aware of this being the aim.
I again repeat what I said earlier:
Few points on contiguous ridges have been occupied for local tactical advantages, nothing more.
That is not capturing of enemy territory by a long shot.
I know what exactly you meant, but I felt like you were dragging down everybody else who were giving updates from LoC. Which is why I responded. Maybe I misunderstood. A lot is going on up there. Even PM giving hints that the game is up for Pak. So I would not be surprised if people came up with conclusions. Certain people I keep at a distance, certain others I will trust as I have clearly mentioned.
Rest of your post, I don't have much contention with.
Yeah, and that shows we are not scared of India. Never will be.
Argument was that people are implying that Pakistan returned Abhinandan out of fear.. But if we were scared of India we had not launched attack on 6 Indian targets within 15 hours of Indian attack and had not shot down Indian jets and had not paraded the pilot with his bloody nose.
IB exists at three of the districts of the J&K namely Sambha, Kathua and Jammu. Unfortunately for our friends in Pakistan, they signed on the dotted line in Karachi Agreement 1948 and try their damn best to reverse it by calling it a working boundary.
I doubt it. Because neither side is lagging in terms of upgrading jamming technology. Our own Su-30MKIs, in all probability, did not get a firing solution if you recall.
I find it truly amazing that we've expended a good 5000 posts & 300 odd pages out here on a few posts captured / lost on the LoC, where in the status quo has broadly prevailed since the CF in 1948 ( seizing the Kargil & Drass heights in 1971 have been exceptions, which broadly proves the rule) but we haven't had a single page dedicated to the loss of nearly 650 sq kms of land along the LAC.
Here in is proof that the Chinese have successfuly pinned us down in South Asia with the services of the PA with no benefit worth speaking of for the latter and us focussing on the wrong front.
What happened post those talks? Did we manage to recover those 5 kms the Chinese intruded into or do we file it away as a loss.
I'm not surprised post Doklam & Modi's nimble diplomacy in Wuhan, we haven't read much about any major incursions across the 4000+ kms LAC. I'd crave your indulgence if proven wrong. I'm merely going by publically listed articles on the same subject.
Could you elaborate a bit on the land grab? When was it initiated post 1962.If memory serves me right, post 1962 & 1967, that was a forgotten frontier as far as both the Chinese & Indians were concerned only to become live during the Sumdorong Chu crisis & Gen Sundarji's Op Chequerboard.
Post our agreements with China to maintain peace and tranquility on the LAC during the PM PVN Rao era, I don't recall reading anything worthwhile happening in the LAC till 2006. Is that when the landgrab by the PLA gained momentum or was that when it was initiated?
What's the status today? Do these lands occupy the same status as Aksai Chin ( permanently lost / seized) or are they still contested by us, namely do IA / ITBP still mount patrols in the area?
If it's not asking for much, can the loss of this area ( entire 650 odd sq kms) be highlighted on a map?
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I am merely putting queries on claims that have no factual basis. Read things very carefully.
Quoting myself again:
Other than chest beating, symptoms of what we see on this thread, posting false claims based on an obscure twitter handle and presumptions, nothing much.
There has been no major territorial gain. stop being PDF here. Apart from few tactical points achieved on opposition ridge, not much has been done yet. Merely the levels of attrition have increased.
Sickening to read bullshit claims here too.
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And I am merely straightening out the facts.
Someday, when you are absolutely bored, draw up a compilation of my posts here and elsewhere with timeline and check the date & time of 'tweets' and 'leaks'. You will find it very interesting.
You should know that pakistan calls Jammu
Sector as Working Boundary
Their claim is over the Entire State of J and K
Vstol is Right , IB starts from punjab
Since even Jammu sector is disputed
As per Pakistan , we can help ourselves
Will revert on this sometime in future. Need to read up and verify decades worth of stuff.
I, personally, would love hearing from you on this topic. Please do take your time. I'd remind you again in a month from now.
I think we need a separate thread on this issue.
I feel there is some serious disconnect in what you read and what you understand. Please re-read my post.
And only Pakistanis and Pakistan claim IB starts in Punjab because those dumbos signed IB in three sectors during the Karachi Agreement of 1948, thereby, stupidly, recognizing the instrument of accession legitimizing the accession with this act.
Now if you and vstol (assuming he says that IB does not exist in Sambha-Kathua-Jammu divisions of J&K) consider that IB starts in Punjab, then you are exactly doing them a favor. Ask vstol if he subscribes to your interpretation?
And in the interim, read the exact text of Karachi Agreement of 1948.
@Star Wars
It is always imperative to have a knowledge base, have a command on facts and to never shy away from accepting you do not know, and then undertaking a due diligence yourself, before posting anything. In a world of he said that she said that he told her that she told him that they told her that they were told by him .... you get sure shot bullshit.
It is something which will require me to write on what I promised @Paro 02 years back. Just give me longer time. Stuck with things of more pressing nature in life .. unfortunately
I know what you meant. But from the way you posted, it felt as if you were ridiculing the claims of territorial acquisition along with other claims.
Reference to "obscure twitter handles", does not help as the question of territorial acquisition came from this forum, not from any twitter handles I know. And I do fortunately trust the person who made that claim.
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That is fine by me, one can only wish I had the time to get bored.
I Corps and II Corps armour moved from depth 02 odd days back completely. It was seen to be moving and photographs/videos of movement posted on Social Media. You can not hide that kind of move by a long shot. And now recollect till when I have been saying that Strike Corps are sleeping, just a few pages back. XXI corps is still sleeping.
I know precisely what is happening in broad terms, and that is why I correct perceptions and ideas. The day things turn seriously hot, you will not find me posting here anymore.
A simple "bye time to move" will be posted by me and you can guess we have gone in big.. that shall be seen a few hours before you hear major news.
TIll then, relax and enjoy the life.
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