India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Pundrick said:
Yes pak did return him out of fear. And paf dropped some bomb from within their own territory to avoid any encounter with IAF and didn't even cross LOC, on the other hand Mirages dropped bomb in balakot a pakistani territory, not POK, many kilometers inside your land.

And in your response, an IAF jet of 60s technology engaged your most advanced jet within your own territory and crashed it while going down.

BTW where are those 2 pilot now ?:sneaky:
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Lol .. iam more concerned about IAF..
They lost 9 jets, one copter (Self kill) since the start of this year.
 
Milspec said:
Well, it was a simple calculation, escalation costs more to PA, returning the pilot lowers the probability of escalation. If Pakistan can afford escalation, it is more than welcome to activate more of it's assets in India. It's ripe with civilian and mil targets. Pakistan did not expect, such response from India, Pakistani establishment (along with me) expected kadi ninda and dossiers for Pulwama. Indian response was surprising.
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Well yes. There have been futher attacks on Indian armed forces after 27th.
Looks like you dont check the news?
If India was that powerful as you are portraying, they should hav launched another attack? They did not?
Also your western air space is shut since 27th and still shut..
Now who is scared of whom?
 
suryakiran said:
Are these not 'strike' corps. I and II? Troops being moved for exercises from peace time areas? But is that not a bit early?
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They moved over 48 hours .... surprise surprise for our western brotherly neighbour ... who thought 1 week was the time needed.

They are there for exercise .... after 3rd week of March, the weather was good for one. vstol indicated quite clearly why weather is good.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
@Falcon, I still maintain my claim of over 600 casulaties for PA (dead & Injured) and capture of crucial tactically advantageous territory in Akhnoor area. I never stated that we have captured the complete dagger area. I even posted the area captured which amounts to the tip of this dagger. Its not a very large area but it is an area of extreme importance.
We can agree to disagree.
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People thought that PoJ&K is their jagir but they do not know that when time gets tough, unhe har baar bhag na padta hai.

I remain very specifically against a trend of chest beating which has been creeping in this forum. Posting nonsense like 'demotion' of Ambassador to Foreign Secretary is a joke.

Similarly capture of territory is far from truth. No two opinions about the tactical advantageous positions taken - but they do not indicate capture of territory.

It is the perception which has been spread here which I do not agree with. Let the narrative be calibrated so as to reflect that which comes with confirmation, as one can confirm and not with a 'done but we will not reveal' tag (although with the very nature of military operations going on, the will not be revealed for quite some time). But you have seen how some members here have literally become morose - questioning the efficacy of strikes.

My aim here remains to calibrate that - and not become PDF where they celebrate everyday as if they are achieving great victories when they are literally hemorrhaging along LC and they remain blissfully unaware.

My own old team mates are roving around, having a good hunting season of both the rare and indigenous game. Few are also ideally located to create spectacular display of fireworks if need be.

But again, I reiterate, intent is not to be a jingoistic platform but to spell out facts as they stand.

I spend time here to make this a credible platform, which can be considered credible by ours and other alike.
 
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Falcon said:
They moved over 48 hours .... surprise surprise for our western brotherly neighbour ... who thought 1 week was the time needed.

They are there for exercise .... after 3rd week of March, the weather was good for one. vstol indicated quite clearly why weather is good.
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This in turn means more pressure on the PA in the Punjab & Sind sector. Which in turn means Balochistan & the Afghan frontiers will be thinly manned.The Sarmachars & the ANA must thanking Allah , besides of course the IA for an early Eid? Eh @safriz
 
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Falcon said:
They moved over 48 hours .... surprise surprise for our western brotherly neighbour ... who thought 1 week was the time needed.

They are there for exercise .... after 3rd week of March, the weather was good for one. vstol indicated quite clearly why weather is good.
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The trains were moved by some of our heaviest haulers with fastest speed and they went non-stop. We reduced the time for movement from four days by train to just 36 hrs. Partly due to single gauge of rail tracks. In 2001 we had two different track gauges to work on and move on.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
@Falcon, I still maintain my claim of over 600 casulaties for PA (dead & Injured) and capture of crucial tactically advantageous territory in Akhnoor area. I never stated that we have captured the complete dagger area. I even posted the area captured which amounts to the tip of this dagger. Its not a very large area but it is an area of extreme importance.
We can agree to disagree.
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From where you pull out such laughable stats?
 
_Anonymous_ said:
I find it truly amazing that we've expended a good 5000 posts & 300 odd pages out here on a few posts captured / lost on the LoC, where in the status quo has broadly prevailed since the CF in 1948 ( seizing the Kargil & Drass heights in 1971 have been exceptions, which broadly proves the rule) but we haven't had a single page dedicated to the loss of nearly 650 sq kms of land along the LAC.

Here in is proof that the Chinese have successfuly pinned us down in South Asia with the services of the PA with no benefit worth speaking of for the latter and us focussing on the wrong front.

What happened post those talks? Did we manage to recover those 5 kms the Chinese intruded into or do we file it away as a loss.




I'm not surprised post Doklam & Modi's nimble diplomacy in Wuhan, we haven't read much about any major incursions across the 4000+ kms LAC. I'd crave your indulgence if proven wrong. I'm merely going by publically listed articles on the same subject.





Could you elaborate a bit on the land grab? When was it initiated post 1962.If memory serves me right, post 1962 & 1967, that was a forgotten frontier as far as both the Chinese & Indians were concerned only to become live during the Sumdorong Chu crisis & Gen Sundarji's Op Chequerboard.

Post our agreements with China to maintain peace and tranquility on the LAC during the PM PVN Rao era, I don't recall reading anything worthwhile happening in the LAC till 2006. Is that when the landgrab by the PLA gained momentum or was that when it was initiated?

What's the status today? Do these lands occupy the same status as Aksai Chin ( permanently lost / seized) or are they still contested by us, namely do IA / ITBP still mount patrols in the area?

If it's not asking for much, can the loss of this area ( entire 650 odd sq kms) be highlighted on a map?
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@Hellfire have briefly talked about it 17 months back. Chinese troops transgress Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction sector in Doka La / Dokalam Area
 
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Falcon said:
Similarly capture of territory is far from truth. No two opinions about the tactical advantageous positions taken - but they do not indicate capture of territory.
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I never responded to you on this because what you stated was exactly what I had stated. But some people mistook my posts to say that we have captured the complete Akhnoor daager. I even posted the area which we have taken over. And that area is not even 20% of actual Akhnoor Dagger.
 
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Ashwathama said:
I am sort of confused. Vstol jockey is claiming one thing and you are claiming other. I do agree that the claim 'we killed 600 and captured loads of territory'! Is a load of BS.
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My intent in being on this forum is to make this into a credible platform, one which can be trusted to have some modicum of confirmed news and not mere bluster, for anyone to rely on.

I will never be very clear in my statement, sorry, that is how I am. But for you:

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Falcon said:
People thought that PoJ&K is their jagir but they do not know that when time gets tough, unhe har baar bhag na padta hai.

I remain very specifically against a trend of chest beating which has been creeping in this forum. Posting nonsense like 'demotion' of Ambassador to Foreign Secretary is a joke.

Similarly capture of territory is far from truth. No two opinions about the tactical advantageous positions taken - but they do not indicate capture of territory.

It is the perception which has been spread here which I do not agree with. Let the narrative be calibrated so as to reflect that which comes with confirmation, as one can confirm and not with a 'done but we will not reveal' tag (although with the very nature of military operations going on, the will not be revealed for quite some time). But you have seen how some members here have literally become morose - questioning the efficacy of strikes.

My aim here remains to calibrate that - and not become PDF where they celebrate everyday as if they are achieving great victories when they are literally hemorrhaging along LC and they remain blissfully unaware.

My own old team mates are roving around, having a good hunting season of both the rare and indigenous game. Few are also ideally located to create spectacular display of fireworks if need be.

But again, I reiterate, intent is not to be a jingoistic platform but to spell out facts as they stand.

I spend time here to make this a credible platform, which can be considered credible by ours and other alike.
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Sir in case you read the News that I posted above , Army And IAF commanders are meeting on 8 th and 11 th April

To discuss ongoing operations and Operational preparedness

This clearly means that Things have been
Happening for the last one month
 
Falcon said:
My intent in being on this forum is to make this into a credible platform, one which can be trusted to have some modicum of confirmed news and not mere bluster, for anyone to rely on.

I will never be very clear in my statement, sorry, that is how I am. But for you:

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Sir with utmost respect , I would say that
There is a Concept called " Need to Know "
Basis , for Information sharing In the military

I dont think all these details are being even
Disseminated freely in the Army hierarchy

These Anonymous twitter accounts
Are only Replacing Mainstream Media
And countering the Enemy Psy Ops

Even then they are followed by hardly 5000 people

The Rest of the Country thinks that the Match ended on 27 Feb
 
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