Which sams we are having operational at border- akash,spyder? Barak mrsam is operational or not? Nd why don't we use sams to shoot down enemy jets. any thing near loc less than 10 km we can shoot it down.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Rediff- this was at 3 AM
4 F-16s, UAV detected near Punjab border
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LIVE! 4 F-16s, UAV detected near Punjab border - Rediff.com India News
4 F-16s, UAV detected near Punjab border
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LIVE! 4 F-16s, UAV detected near Punjab border - Rediff.com India News
I assume all 4 of them were painted long before they even got the chance to do anything. Hence turned tail and ran.
We need to tell Russia to send one S-400 in emergency... Will love to see few F-16s taken out.
Rawalpindi - April 01 
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No PR-64/2019-ISPR
Reference repeated Indian claims about shooting down of Pakistani F-16 by India and use of F16 in air battle on 27 February. The event of 27 Feb is part of history now. No Pakistani F16 was hit by Indian airforce. As regard PAF action for strikes across LOC it was done by JF17 from within Pakistan airspace. Later when 2 Indian jets crossed LOC they were shot down by PAF. Whether it was F16 or JF17 which shot down 2 Indian aircrafts is immaterial
. Even if F-16 have been used as at that point in time complete PAF was airborne including F16s, the fact remains that Pakistan Airforce shot down two Indian jets in self defence. India can assume any type of their choice even F-16. Pakistan retains the right to use anything and everything in its legitimate self defence.
https://www.ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail.php?id=5237
From - We did not use F-16s.
To - Use of F-16s is immaterial.
What happened to all the bragging that JF-17s shot down the Mig.
, 2019No PR-64/2019-ISPR
Reference repeated Indian claims about shooting down of Pakistani F-16 by India and use of F16 in air battle on 27 February. The event of 27 Feb is part of history now. No Pakistani F16 was hit by Indian airforce. As regard PAF action for strikes across LOC it was done by JF17 from within Pakistan airspace. Later when 2 Indian jets crossed LOC they were shot down by PAF. Whether it was F16 or JF17 which shot down 2 Indian aircrafts is immaterial
. Even if F-16 have been used as at that point in time complete PAF was airborne including F16s, the fact remains that Pakistan Airforce shot down two Indian jets in self defence. India can assume any type of their choice even F-16. Pakistan retains the right to use anything and everything in its legitimate self defence.https://www.ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail.php?id=5237
From - We did not use F-16s.
To - Use of F-16s is immaterial.
What happened to all the bragging that JF-17s shot down the Mig.
Gave the bigger picture. Hurt the supporters of terror at a point where pain is felt. And where do you think that will be felt?
Points on opposition ridge. That is it. It is very tactical in nature, although one can argue the extent has shifted the LC physically by about 150 odd meters at least, westwards. Capture of Territory would be tract of land which is held.
No one comes in 10 km range. So no, we can not engage. and if they come, they come low, within valleys.
Entirely depends if Pakistan even has any choice in this matter. Hafiz's entire organisation is known to have at least 1,00,000 members.
We can imagine the amount of supporters they have created in the populace over the span of decades. Now Salahuddin is making videos bashing PA for not protecting it properly. If Pakistan stops its Kashmir Jihad, these people will turn inwards. If Kashmir stops burning, Punjab will start burning.
@Falcon @vstol Jockey : Can a ATGM take out civilian vehicles? Wonder if our forces can use ATGM (especially outdated stocks ones) to take out any vehicle trying to come to military convoy in Kashmir.
Most probably, US report is around the corner....Whether it was F16 or JF17 which shot down 2 Indian aircrafts is immaterial
The difference is that it is only till a finite time that the PA can suppress casualties. Or reversals. The creeping reversals are the worst, because you, as a soldier, know that you have suffered, but are unable to use all force required to retake your positions. What effect will be on the soldier?
Coming to the citizens. When PM Modi says we are not against people of Pakistan, read what he is not saying (those who do not support terror).
By keeping up a military pressure, the narrative of 'when the rich wage war, its the poor who die' comes to fore. Rich not being exclusively those with money, but also with power. And that is predominantly the Pakistan Armed Forces. Already rational voices are asking if the cost of supporting terror outfits is worth losing the nation over? And Pakistan is in a Catch 22. Because people need jobs, food, security, education, healthcare, extended deployment is a severe drain on economies. On Pakistan, it is devastating. A Pakistani member, rather jingoistically claimed that they can afford prolonged deployments. I pray that they do exactly that. Because every time a supplementary budget allocation is demanded, it is provided for with cuts in areas they need to focus in, critical ones. We are creating a governance vacuum without doing a single thing. What does that lead to? The fringe getting emboldened as they sense a weakness in the power centre.
What people are not concentrating on is the situation in Sindh, KPK and Baluchistan. A bleeding economy, a perpetual flow of body bags and upcoming economic sanctions (FATF is seriously not pleased) with increased tempo of operations requiring money to be spent. All creates a situation wherein the expenditure outpaces income. And the groups are active in these regions already - emboldened.
What are the sources of economic sustenance? China? They can go ahead. To Pakistanis: Sell your country. Who wins? Recall Afghanistan being the graveyard of Empires? Baluchistan adjoins it too .... I think rest need not be said.
Rule says no vehicle allowed to approach convoys. Politicians say permit. Till 2007, no vehicle was allowed. Anyone who did come, had a wreck of a vehicle to take home as warning hits with sticks by QRT vehicle and then shots into the body of vehicle were SOP.
With even BJP being the typical clown of politics, no change whatsoever on ground in policy.
An ATGM can take out anything. It is designed to kill a Tank. Civilian vehicles are not even worth using an ATGM.
As far as I know ATGM firing needs some time to set up, depending on the type of ATGM under discussion. I don't think it can be used as a quick reaction weapon to be used to counter VB-IEDs. Closing off the road is a better idea. Also don't ATGM need a thermal signal to home on to for guidance. It is a guided missile after all. On a cost benefit ratio, I would argue against it.
The member is having some fun. Dumbing down to have some fun. Know the member for sometime now
Won't they get the Spares from TuAF. Or does TuAF need permission from US to supply spares to PAF ?
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