India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
True that sir. But there was a very good observation by a senior Pakistani member in the other forum a couple of months back (when he let slip his veneer of Indian hating in interaction with me, something he is per force required to assume by his own country(wo)men in general) that till date, it was the Indians who were willing to negotiate on J&K at the table and were willing to seek diplomatic solutions and the 'Establishment' at Pakistan undermined it both the times it came close to being achieved but this time, the body language of Indians has changed. There is more confidence that Indians bring to table based on their economic growth and development and with that comes the change in attitude, from willing to accept a negotiated settlement to only one demand - vacation of PoJ&K. Now Pakistani Establishment wants to seek peace but Indians are not playing ball anymore.

I kind of agree. I doubt we will now let Pakistan settle. They had the last chance under NS when Modi flew in unannounced, Modi was still looking for peace on equitable and respectful terms, but they blew it (more so by removing NS from power).
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I think this same observastion was made eihter by Nazam Sethi or some analyst on Pak news Channel a year or two ago.
 
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metaphysician said:
hello sir , do you think there will be ceasefire now , i guess india dont want to now .
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The present situation of Pakistan is such that it just can't afford even a border skirmish, leave aside a full blown war. They have to get their economy back in shape asap if they want to Pakistan to be a viable nation state. The longer is the time taken to turn around the economy, lesser is the chance of Pakistan surviving. Only nation which help them today and that too in shortest time is India. We can restore the MFN to them if they give us MFN and we can help them keep inflation, especially food and cousumer durables inflation in check. That will stabilise the PKR to some extent and give breathing space to Pakistan. Few days back I had written here that let Pakistan vacate POJK for a price. It may have sounded a very funny idea but we have had such examples within the subcontinent's history. The Dogra kingdom was established in similar manner. If we have to wrest POJK. The war may cost anything from USD 10-25B plus the loss of lives and infrastructure. But this cash deal will save it all for both the nations. If Pakistan refuses this swap for cash, what option are they left with-Dismemberment and Balkanisation of Pakistan.
 
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Five of six designated targets were hit in Balakot: IAF review
In hindsight, we achieved our aim, hitting five of the six DMPI. Only one was unused. But considering the nature of the propaganda war that needed to be won, we could have used a weapon which would have flattened the target and we could have also sent a platform that gets us clear images or video of the destruction,”
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Oh look! What a bunch of idiots. They should have consulted with the 'professionals' and experts on here to know the golden truth of life vide validating your claims and providing evidence is a completely unnecessary activity and you must be both a war-mongerer and anti national to ask for it.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
They have tested limits of Modi pretty extensively, I doubt he is much different than others. As long as domestic audience is happy on ground change and difficult decisions can wait. Even in this attack and it's aftermath only restrain is shown by India, I think they know how far Modi is willing to go and will calibrate their actions accordingly.
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Not so different modi in a recent rally :

India has stopped the policy of getting scared of Pakistan's threats. Every other day they used to say we have nuclear button, we have nuclear button. What do we have then? Have we kept it for Diwali?” .
 
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Butter Chicken said:
Latest Baba musings............

First this tweet,didnt make sense yesterday

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121124067791134720

then this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121321506871492608

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121332938803531776

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121343842706345984

and baba re-tweeted this(cant find the tweet anymore, but it said that "Indian jets crossed into enemy territory across Arabian Sea")
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Here it is

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121343680315568130
 
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vstol Jockey said:
These probing flights will continue for some time to locate and pin point every radar and missile defense system of Pakistan.
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Sir can we destroy their Ground based Radars with Anti Radiation Missiles

Mr Prasun Sengupta has in the past talked of EMP warheads brought from Israel for SEAD operations
 
Falcon said:
I doubt it. I am all for debilitating costs being imposed yesterday, not tomorrow.
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That's the thing. Personally, I think Pakistan can handle pretty much everything we can throw at them from our side of the border short of war without having to cut down terrorism. Yeah, with all that's going on we can make it a bit more expensive for them, but that only means more poverty for Pakistan, not necessarily that it will actually bring significant long-lasting changes on our side of the border.

I do hope retaliation becomes the new norm, but that's only a painkiller, not a cure.
 
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noksss said:
Not so different modi in a recent rally :

India has stopped the policy of getting scared of Pakistan's threats. Every other day they used to say we have nuclear button, we have nuclear button. What do we have then? Have we kept it for Diwali?” .
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1121350370830311425

He is not the only one, Burhan Wani and other terrorist families have star status, providing incentive for joining militancy for drug addicts. However in other parts of India if you even steal your whole family will be rounded up, beaten but if you are a terrorist you are free, can even telecast your interview on MSM with government doing zilch.

There is lot I can go on about, but it's useless to debate. There were plenty of attacks that went unanswered, attacking XVI coprs HQ and their families in Nagrota being one of them and in ones they retaliated the effect is in front of us all, rallies :ROFLMAO: sure.
 
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randomradio said:
That's the thing. Personally, I think Pakistan can handle pretty much everything we can throw at them from our side of the border short of war without having to cut down terrorism. Yeah, with all that's going on we can make it a bit more expensive for them, but that only means more poverty for Pakistan, not necessarily that it will actually bring significant long-lasting changes on our side of the border.

I do hope retaliation becomes the new norm, but that's only a painkiller, not a cure.
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I agree with you. But these retaliations will drain their resources and after that giving the final blow will take much less effort. We must engage them in this war of attrition for few more months and keep the pot boiling with occasional flare up.
Please read the story of battle of Longewal Given by Brig ZA Khan. It gives a deep insight into how Pakistanis plan their attacks and how ill equipped they were even in 1971. The same was posted here.
Battle of Longewala Dec 1971 (Pakistani Perspective BRIGADIER ZA KHAN, Pakistan Army, then Commanding Officer 38 Cavalry)
 
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