India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
Exactly sir. Thank you for the input.

I am merely blowing holes into these jokers. Being a former user of the tech in question, your views are really appreciated.

Had a hectic day with Vishnu Som. The poor guy has no clue as again, I can assure that the A-50 on station during the strike, relayed the EO guidance feed from SPICE onto designated viewers. Twitter being limited in scope, and he being 'established expert' was pretty much a one sided waste of time. :D

The most significant point is that feed was given, recordings exist from two different platforms of two different services. The political decision remains in not releasing the videos (no clue why). But it also affords an excellent opportunity to keep hitting the enemy at will, while he denies being hit.

A win-win I say
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Was Jabba Top not the target sir? Sat image of next day, though a little delayed but very clear didn't show anything which is really puzzling. Did they repaired it so soon or action happened at some other location!
 
vstol Jockey said:
If I tell you that we have Neutron bomb as an answer to Pak nukes, will you believe it? We will kill all Pakistanis without destroying anything on ground and just movein within one day in the effected area to burn the dead bodies. Our Population will move into the houses of Pakistanis overnight.
Difficult to believe, is it not? But trust me it is very much a probability. No idiot ever gave our scientists the permission to do what they wanted to do. Modi did.
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I mentioned only the conventional weapon systems.

Neutron bomb which you mentioned is a non conventional weapon system.

Anyways I will let you guys muse over this " reactor grade plutonium and neutron bomb ~ Yoni and Linga "
 
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vstol Jockey said:
I agree with you. But these retaliations will drain their resources and after that giving the final blow will take much less effort. We must engage them in this war of attrition for few more months and keep the pot boiling with occasional flare up.
Please read the story of battle of Longewal Given by Brig ZA Khan. It gives a deep insight into how Pakistanis plan their attacks and how ill equipped they were even in 1971. The same was posted here.
Battle of Longewala Dec 1971 (Pakistani Perspective BRIGADIER ZA KHAN, Pakistan Army, then Commanding Officer 38 Cavalry)
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I don't know what just a few months will do. The Saudis will pay the bill if this goes on only a few months.

Whatever's happening now should go on for many years, alongside a diplomatic offensive targeted against countries arming and funding Pakistan.
 
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hellbent said:
I mentioned only the conventional weapon systems.

Neutron bomb which you mentioned is a non conventional weapon system.

Anyways I will let you guys muse over this " reactor grade plutonium and neutron bomb ~ Yoni and Linga "
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I was only adding to what you posted. We do have many nasty surprises for PA.
 
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Why then did the FS say 3 sites were targeted on 26th Feb? Would appreciate clarity on the issue, if you can shed light on it.
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As far as I can suggest - a major concentration of terrorists in each location (Terror Camps), typically 20-30 personnel of all denomination, were targeted with roughly 30 odd casualties in both locations overall. (that is killed).

Not sure about exact location, but near to Pakistan Army logistics base in both instances.
 
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Falcon said:
Sorry @Ashwin for off topic

Sir.

Here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121421576409235456
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I told you that the day and time was chosen with cloud cover as that rendered EO/IR detectors useless and all missiles capaple of using such guidance were rendered ineffective. Just read about the kind of AD missiles Pakistan has and you will know what I mean when I said that weather can be a friend also. You can spoof radars by jamming but not the EO/IR guided weapons. After second gulf war, Pakistan acquired EO/IR guided missiles and cloud cover helped our guys.
 
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Why then did the FS say 3 sites were targeted on 26th Feb? Would appreciate clarity on the issue, if you can shed light on it.
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As far as I can suggest - a major concentration of terrorists in each location (Terror Camps), typically 20-30 personnel of all denomination, were targeted with roughly 30 odd casualties in both locations overall. (that is killed).

Not sure about exact location, but near to Pakistan Army logistics base in both instances.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
Was Jabba Top not the target sir? Sat image of next day, though a little delayed but very clear didn't show anything which is really puzzling. Did they repaired it so soon or action happened at some other location!
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I do not know the exact point either. Sorry, but no clue.

Either ways, even if Jaba Top was and the location as doing rounds in media, was the target, we have already covered that in 3-5 hours we can repair the site for satellite overpass to find nothing wrong.
 
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Falcon said:
As far as I can suggest - a major concentration of terrorists in each location (Terror Camps), typically 20-30 personnel of all denomination, were targeted with roughly 30 odd casualties in both locations overall. (that is killed).

Not sure about exact location, but near to Pakistan Army logistics base in both instances.
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Are these inclusive of Balakote or exclusively of the other 2 sites?
 
hellbent said:
I mentioned only the conventional weapon systems.

Neutron bomb which you mentioned is a non conventional weapon system.

Anyways I will let you guys muse over this " reactor grade plutonium and neutron bomb ~ Yoni and Linga "
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A 22 KT at 10000 ft AGL would do the same. EMP max with zero fallout.

But a lay person like me, not trained in CBRN :) will just use food grade aluminium foil on all wirings and equipment, and unplug them during transportation. Will protect my equipment quite well, I believe.
 
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Falcon said:
Welcome back.

On point. From the write up:

Moreover, the IAF had also carried the Crystal Maze AGM 142 munition along with the Spice 2000 to hit the target. The Crystal Maze PGM could not, however, be fired because of heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area.

I agree. Bunch of idiots indeed. We do know that this paragraph is the funniest of all. Anyone with even the most basic of understanding of air operations, especially the planning and execution of offensive air operations, would laugh at this one. Why? Because meteorological reports are studied and operations are planned around that, not 'we will see how is the weather there, abhi yeh missile laga lo':)
In addition, FACs along with GLOs in Infantry Brigades, will be giving weather inputs in real time just before a flight is undertaken in the area. Right before the actual take off.

So, IAF could not fire because of "heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area." is amusing to note indeed.

@randomradio @vstol Jockey your views on INS guidance on board the Crystal Maze (for initial guidance) and applicability of 'bad weather' precluding a launch?
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The terminal guidance of the Spice 2000 and Popeye are pretty much the same. So if the Spice could be used, Popeye would be in the same weather conditions as well. But this is only in the "drop and forget" mode, basically fire and forget. Vstol has already explained this.

But if you want to insert a man in the loop, then the pilot can use a datalink to communicate with the missile. The TV sensor will allow the pilot to see the target and make course adjustments if necessary. If Air HQ wanted the Popeyes to be fired with a man in the loop for a specific reason, then the cloud cover will be enough to abort the strike. Since the Spice only glides while the Popeye is powered, the accuracy of Popeye during endgame would be higher.

So I would assume planning was done hours and hours ago, perhaps well before dusk the previous day, based on the hope that the cloud cover before dawn would be clear enough for Popeye to be used with "man in the loop" setting.

Of course this is considering what the article said is true and the Popeye strike was aborted due to the weather. But one can also assume the strike was aborted due to many other reasons, like a failure to launch, perhaps only a backup in case most of the Spice failed etc. It's also possible that the missile was meant to flatten some structures within the camp after the Spice had struck in order to leave behind some verifiable proof, but was aborted at the final moment in order to give the Pakistanis a PR escape route. Who knows?
 
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vstol Jockey said:
If I tell you that we have Neutron bomb as an answer to Pak nukes, will you believe it? We will kill all Pakistanis without destroying anything on ground and just movein within one day in the effected area to burn the dead bodies. Our Population will move into the houses of Pakistanis overnight.
Difficult to believe, is it not? But trust me it is very much a probability. No idiot ever gave our scientists the permission to do what they wanted to do. Modi did.
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No offense, Wont we need a million Neutron bombs to do above said??
I studied Neutron Bomb quite extensively - when I went through numerous videos of it supposedly Neutron bomb been used in Yemen. YouTube can provide plenty of videos, if anyone care to search. Which I compared them with known testing videos for similarity. The sparkles in mid segment of mushroom are telling.​

A neutron Bomb is a low yield weapon intended to kill primarily not by blast but by a massive pulse of neutron radiation. It was designed to kill tank crews and personnel protected within armored vehicles, while causing minimum destruction to buildings and infrastructure. A Neutron Bomb, is mostly called a Tactical Nuclear Weapon (TNW) in military terms - now who in our neighbor in west claim to have a TNW.

Hope we can catchup, we are behind the curve in terms of TNW
 
Was this posted ?

"Chinese submarine movements in the Indian Ocean Region have reduced significantly, with no detected presence since October last year when a deployment had to be aborted mid-way, due to a suspected technical fault, government sources have told ET.

"Meanwhile, the Indian Navy has been maintaining operational deployment in the Arabian Sea since the Pulwama terror strike n February, virtually choking the Pakistan Navy and forcing it to stay close to the coastline."

"The last Chinese submarine to be spotted was a conventional Yuan class submarine that made its way into the Indian Ocean through the Sunda Strait last October. Officials said that the submarine – which was greeted by the Indian Navy as soon as it popped up in the region – showed signs of a technical fault as it sailed a significant distance to Colombo without submerging. "

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/69019513.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
Falcon said:
A 22 KT at 10000 ft AGL would do the same. EMP max with zero fallout.

But a lay person like me, not trained in CBRN :) will just use food grade aluminium foil on all wirings and equipment, and unplug them during transportation. Will protect my equipment quite well, I believe.
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Yes

Also irony is boron carbide which is being used in the BPJ developed by BARC is very good in stopping neutrons.

And one could jump into a well , hydrogen slows down and stops neutrons

Amd one could wrap one self in polythene sheets preferably inside a building away from intense heat
 
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