India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Gautam]

Endiyans why you shoot at ghazis, ghauris and ghaznavis at border ? Bad endiyans.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/196851...violations-may-lead-strategic-miscalculation/

 

[Guynextdoor]

I believe this will end very tragically. Now Pak will create a counter team with Haifiz Saeed, Maulana, Gafoora and Imran Bhai captaining it to counter us. How dare we call ourselves Kings...everyone knows musalamano ne hzaaar saal hukumat kiya hai Baniye pe.

 

[Guynextdoor]

@Gautam don't laugh...maulana has diabetes. when he flips...boy will that be the flip of the century.....

 

[LoneWolfSandeep]

BALAKOT: MORE DETAILS REVEALED
07-May-2019 02:57

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Despite Pakistan’s efforts to deceive the world on the Indian airstrikes on the Jaish-e-Muhammad camp, small details of what happened in Balakot in the wee hours of February 26 and thereafter have kept trickling in from my source. This article is an attempt to piece together all the informations I gathered and to fill the gaps into what it has become the jigsaw puzzle of the Balakot strike.

As it is well known now, the IAF strike was carried out at around 3.30 am. According to my informations, an Army unit, from their camp in Shinkiari, arrived at the location of the strike on February 26 at around 6 am, two and a half hours later. Shinkari is around 20 kms away from Balakot, and the Army unit would have taken around 35-40 minutes to reach the location from where the climb to the camp begins. Incidentally, Shinkiari is also a base of the Pakistan Army, with the Junior Leaders Academy (JLA) located there. Immediately after the Army unit arrival, the injured were taken to a Harkat-ul-Mujahideen camp, located in Shinkiari and treated by Pakistan Army doctors. Local sources say around 45 persons are still undergoing treatment in this camp, while around 20 have died during treatment due to serious injuries. Those who have recovered are still in custody of the Army and have not been discharged. Based on the different inputs that have been gathered over the last several weeks through my contact, it can now also be safely said that the impact of the strike immediately killed a large number of JeM cadres. The numbers estimated have ranged from 130-170, including those who have died during treatment. Those killed included 11 trainers, ranging from bomb makers to those imparting weapons training. Two of these trainers were from Afghanistan. To prevent news on the fatalities leaking through statements of family members of cadres, a group of JeM members also visited the families of those killed and handed over cash compensation to them. Adjacent to the Blue Pine Hotel, located on the foothill from where one starts the trek for the JeM camp, is a freshly painted signboard that indicates the presence of the Taleem-ul-Quran on the hilltop. Unlike the earlier board, all links to JeM leader and now internationally proscribed terrorist Masood Azhar has been removed. The camp area is still under the control of the Army, with a Captain rank officer of the Mujahid battalion in command. The access to the dust track leading to the camp is still restricted, even to the local police. Apart from a few children and 3-4 teachers, the camp has been cleared of any traces of it earlier being a JeM camp. Meanwhile, inhabitants of Bisian township, near the JeM camp, still discuss of some locals having noticed vehicles dumping rubble in the Kunhar River during the first night after the strike. There is also talk about the JeM leadership having assured its cadres that the group will take its revenge when the time is ripe.
Francesca Marino

Source : BALAKOT: MORE DETAILS REVEALED

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Endiyans why you shoot at ghazis, ghauris and ghaznavis at border ? Bad endiyans.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/196851...violations-may-lead-strategic-miscalculation/

Pakistan is unusually rattled in past 2-3 days and sudden news of Balakot started trickling in, Pakistan summoned Indian high commissioner, Baba was also claiming some 30 Pakistani soldiers killed, interesting.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Pakistan is unusually rattled in past 2-3 days and sudden news of Balakot started trickling in, Pakistan summoned Indian high commissioner, Baba was also claiming some 30 Pakistani soldiers killed, interesting.

We are keeping the pot boiling and improving our weapon systems and sensors. The WLRs had a problem in pin pointing the position of the weapons in hilly terrain. This has been resolved with software and terrain data update. We can now bring down withering fire accurately on any PA position anywhere in J&K sector and also China Border. They are in for a very big surprise very soon. They will have to either escalate or surrender. These are the only two options left for Pakistan. Truce at anyother cost is not possible.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Irrelevant. "Yahan har saakh pe ullu baitha hai, anjaame gulista kya hoga".



The contention here is the cost of getting MA banned. The reporter suggested India compromised on its strategic areas like De-escalation at LoC, Indo -Iran relations and BRI opposition. Just to reiterate, I do not see MA banning as big an achievement to compromise on any of the said areas. If someone has done so, for political scoring, they be damned.

MA banning de-legitimizes Pakistan support for Kashmir.

 

[Arvind]

MA banning de-legitimizes Pakistan support for Kashmir.

No.

 

[Guynextdoor]

No.

Yes

 

[screambowl]

Those who think Pakistan will mend its ways away from terrorism, well that's not going to happen.

Pakistan is following Attack Scoot Halt Repeat! Same like Mohamad Ghauri, Ghazni and all implemented. Even their CAD is based on such tactics.

Today India have modi, but he is not there for always. Big hopes from Modi's second term.

And one more thing, we should mind it very well, Pakistan just have to win one time, even after losing several times and they won't spare us like we spared them in the last 70 years. They will finish everything!

Hosh mein ajao!! Wars are only fought for territory or resources, they are after Indian territory and Indians are making stupid reasons. Indians have to be clear with their objective.

Pakistan is clear in it's objective, sam daam dand bhed what ever it takes, they need the territory of India.

So my dear Indians please be clear what exactly you want to do with Pakistan!

 

[Guynextdoor]

Those who think Pakistan will mend its ways away from terrorism, well that's not going to happen.

Pakistan is following Attack Scoot Halt Repeat! Same like Mohamad Ghauri, Ghazni and all implemented. Even their CAD is based on such tactics.

Today India have modi, but he is not there for always. Big hopes from Modi's second term.

And one more thing, we should mind it very well, Pakistan just have to win one time, even after losing several times and they won't spare us like we spared them in the last 70 years. They will finish everything!

Hosh mein ajao!! Wars are only fought for territory or resources, they are after Indian territory and Indians are making stupid reasons. Indians have to be clear with their objective.

Pakistan is clear in it's objective, sam daam dand bhed what ever it takes, they need the territory of India.

So my dear Indians please be clear what exactly you want to do with Pakistan!

actually this is the mistake we are making. Thinking they have a strategy. they're just morons doing whatever they think will get them some mileage at some point of time. The only thing they know is using Kahsmir gets them a reason to exist. So they keep pattering around it.

 

[screambowl]

actually this is the mistake we are making. Thinking they have a strategy. they're just morons doing whatever they think will get them some mileage at some point of time. The only thing they know is using Kahsmir gets them a reason to exist. So they keep pattering around it.

I just made a statement, rest is upto the people of India. If they want to close their eyes thinking Pakistanis are just morons without any strategy.

 

[Austerlitz]

Those who think Pakistan will mend its ways away from terrorism, well that's not going to happen.

Pakistan is following Attack Scoot Halt Repeat! Same like Mohamad Ghauri, Ghazni and all implemented. Even their CAD is based on such tactics.

Today India have modi, but he is not there for always. Big hopes from Modi's second term.

And one more thing, we should mind it very well, Pakistan just have to win one time, even after losing several times and they won't spare us like we spared them in the last 70 years. They will finish everything!

Hosh mein ajao!! Wars are only fought for territory or resources, they are after Indian territory and Indians are making stupid reasons. Indians have to be clear with their objective.

Pakistan is clear in it's objective, sam daam dand bhed what ever it takes, they need the territory of India.

So my dear Indians please be clear what exactly you want to do with Pakistan!

Spare what?You think our 4500 tanks and 1.2 million soldiers and 2 million paramilitary is for show?You think our nukes are for diwali?A united india in its history has never been defeated,even an united north india in its history has never been defeated.And we are a nuclear power.Pakistan is a nothing,its a nuisance struggling to keep itself together.

 

[Guynextdoor]

I just made a statement, rest is upto the people of India. If they want to close their eyes thinking Pakistanis are just morons without any strategy.

You think Pulwama was a part of a strategy or 'I have to do some big attack so let me do it'?
You think Imran Khan's retaliation to Balakot was strategy or ' I have to show some retaliation so let me do it'

 

[vstol Jockey]

Spare what?You think our 4500 tanks and 1.2 million soldiers and 2 million paramilitary is for show?You think our nukes are for diwali?A united india in its history has never been defeated,even an united north india in its history has never been defeated.And we are a nuclear power.Pakistan is a nothing,its a nuisance struggling to keep itself together.

I fully agree with you. Just read about Battle of Baharaich and the wars Rajput Confedracy fought with Lodi Sultans of Delhi and Battle of Khanwa. Baber with all his great tactics decided not to go forward in Rajputana.

 

[RATHORE]

I fully agree with you. Just read about Battle of Baharaich and the wars Rajput Confedracy fought with Lodi Sultans of Delhi and Battle of Khanwa. Baber with all his great tactics decided not to go forward in Rajputana.

Even when all of India wasn't united in one strong force under one leader; just a spate of rebellions by multiple, scattered groups was enough to knock out the Mughals. First the Mughals were blunted at Saraighat by the Ahomiyas under Lachit Borphukan, there was the United Rajput Rebellion launched by the Rathores, Sisodiyas and Kachwahas; and of course the well known campaigns of the Marathas, Sikhs and Hindu Jats.

This was enough to shake Aurangzeb's throne and more or less spell the end of the Mughal Dynasty.

 

[screambowl]

Spare what?You think our 4500 tanks and 1.2 million soldiers and 2 million paramilitary is for show?You think our nukes are for diwali?A united india in its history has never been defeated,even an united north india in its history has never been defeated.And we are a nuclear power.Pakistan is a nothing,its a nuisance struggling to keep itself together.

You think Pulwama was a part of a strategy or 'I have to do some big attack so let me do it'?
You think Imran Khan's retaliation to Balakot was strategy or ' I have to show some retaliation so let me do it'

If you win the war, you enjoy the territory, if you get martyred you will be in the highest abode. Bhagwan Krishna from Bhagwad Geetha

India need territory, Indians need to enjoy the fruits of territory not some papers in PMO with signatures of secretaries writing warnings and how many they killed.

I fully agree with you. Just read about Battle of Baharaich and the wars Rajput Confedracy fought with Lodi Sultans of Delhi and Battle of Khanwa. Baber with all his great tactics decided not to go forward in Rajputana.

Big chunk of land which was part of North India is now known as Pakistan. They are enjoying the fruits of territory.

It's all about territory, land, zameen, bhoomi. Rest doesn't matter.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Even when all of India wasn't united in one strong force under one leader; just a spate of rebellions by multiple, scattered groups was enough to knock out the Mughals. First the Mughals were blunted at Saraighat by the Ahomiyas under Lachit Borphukan, there was the United Rajput Rebellion launched by the Rathores, Sisodiyas and Kachwahas; and of course the well known campaigns of the Marathas, Sikhs, and Jats under Surajmal.

This was enough to shake Aurangzeb's throne and more or less spell the end of the Mughal Dynasty.

If Only Rajput Confedracy had stayed after Baber, India would have never gone under muslim rule for 156 years. Our historians have stated that India was under Muslim rule for 800 years. This is the biggest BS I have ever heard. Rajputs did not give in and so did the Vijayanagara Empire. Only Delhi including Punjab was under the Sultanate till 1526 and Akbar was confined to just North India. Shahjahaan expanded to Deccan and was never in control of the area. Hell, he was never in control of even Rajputana. Aurangzeb had to ask for mercy from Mewaar and sign a treaty to let his forces pass to Deccan without problem in 1680 when the Jaats and Gujjars revolted right under his nose in Delhi Led by my ancestors. We blocked the route to Deccan thru Agra, for Deccan. Only Idiots can claim that we Hindus were under muslim occupation for 800 years.

Big chunk of land which was part of North India is now known as Pakistan. They are enjoying the fruits of territory.

It's all about territory, land, zameen, bhoomi. Rest doesn't matter.

Its 10% of India as claimed in Rig Veda and the supposed Aryavrat.

 

[screambowl]

Its 10% of India as claimed in Rig Veda and the supposed Aryavrat.

How much we have gained of this 10% which we lost? Or even tried to?

 

[Austerlitz]

If you win the war, you enjoy the territory, if you get martyred you will be in the highest abode. Bhagwan Krishna from Bhagwad Geetha

India need territory, Indians need to enjoy the fruits of territory not some papers in PMO with signatures of secretaries writing warnings and how many they killed.


Big chunk of land which was part of North India is now known as Pakistan. They are enjoying the fruits of territory.

It's all about territory, land, zameen, bhoomi. Rest doesn't matter.

Totally outdated thinking.Land was crucial to older empires,because income came from land ervenue - more land,more revenue.No longer the case.Today economy is far more complex than land.Otherwise israel,taiwan,south korea or singapore wouldnt be economic powers with tiny slices of land.We don't need to take land from pakistan in large amounts if it means international problems or nuclear war or having to take in m,illions of radicalized 'azad' jihadis.Pakistan actually serves as a buffer and sponge for all the crazies of that region.Keep it weak and strangel its economy,if it collapses on its own help it on its way.If they try pulwama style,constant pounding at loc combined with balakot style slaps(bigger in scope progressively).We kill pakistan by simply eclipsing it in the budget in such a manner that any comparison becomes laughable.No one will take a 300 billion dollar economy seriously if it wants to pick a fight with a 10 trillion dollar one.