India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Arsalan123]

You think we didn't know you could target our brigade HQ?
1) Dhanoa had given the same assessment twice- that Pakistan can target our border assets
a) First time after Uri - so because of this assesment Modi decided to use ground forces for 'Surgical Strikes'
b) Second time after Pulwama- despite this assesment Modi decided to use air forces for 'Surgical Strikes'. Why?
- National policy was that if Pak doesn't shut down terrorist cell we will
-We responded to Uri and if we didn't respond to Pulwama our commitement to our policy will be questioned. We had to do it to show our policy was not a paper tiger
- After Uri terror launch pads will still active across border. After Pulwama ISI quickly closed them down and moved inside to places like Balakot where our ground forces couldn't target them. ISI gambled we won't use airforce and we did.

Your narrative is not our narrative.you crossed red lines and we crossed your red lines.on feb26, you showed us your capability.on feb27 in braid daylight,we showed our capability.our objective was not to Target your army men.our objective is to show iaf that we can also enter in your airspace no matter how many Sams you place!

 

[vstol Jockey]

All agreed assets weren't transferred to Pakistan.you even didn't give us promised number of rifles.you are forcing me to agree with your narrative.

Largest number of soldiers demobilised after WW-2 came from NWFA and all of them were allowed to keep the .303 rifles as parting gift.

 

[Shaktimaan]

Army to raise new battle formations along Pakistan border by October | India News - Times of India
It will raise by october

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

I can start a thread on why paf didn't Target your military brigade hq.feb 27 events is seen by all.your forces presented amraam wreckage.it means amraams were fired on your jets.i don't want to say anything more.wise people will understand my point.

Wiser people will ask who uses their best guided missiles to target nothing?

If it was about to show capabilities as the new narrative became after missing all the targets dumb bombs will do just fine to demonstrate capabilities.

Also what kind of capability would PAF achieve by firing it from stand off range? Even Bangladesh Air Force can fire such bombs where is the capability?

The weapon selection and it's use does not match the narrative of 'we missed the targets intentionally'. Instead of asking the right questions you are being gullible to what is fed, but that's ok, you live in a security state, probably will end up paying if you ask such critical questions.

 

[Jaymax]

Your narrative is not our narrative.you crossed red lines and we crossed your red lines.on feb26, you showed us your capability.on feb27 in braid daylight,we showed our capability.our objective was not to Target your army men.our objective is to show iaf that we can also enter in your airspace no matter how many Sams you place!

You crossed the LoC using terrain and gaps in our air defenses. Like we did a day before. You DID NOT launch a strike for showing anything. You launched PGMs and they all missed. You also failed your secondary objective of shooting a Su-30 despite firing a shitstorm of AMRAAMS and you lost one of your front line fighters to a MiG-21. The only thing that worked for you was the MiG falling in PoK. So apart from getting lucky nothing worked for you.

But if you insist ok you won, now brush your teeth and hit the bed. Its a school night.

 

[Arsalan123]

Yes. Master Green, Green and White are instrument ratings to fly in bad weather and are granted to pilots based on their exp and skill level. Even the GCIOs are rated accordingly.


Exactly. Your level of fighting ability was exposed on 27th. It is correct that in Indian Armed forces we have maximum respect for PAF but the way they executed the 27th strike, we now put them at par with African Air Forces. You had better aircraft in 1965 and 1971 and yet you lost the battle. Now we have better equipment and one of the reasons why you got away with just one F-16 down was bcoz some idiot in WAC decided not to cross the LOC and not to fire across LOC.


You need to understand that we do not go into exercise unless we have ironed out every aspect of operations. All these exercises must have first taken place on paper, followed by war gaming on tactical simulators and only after that they are exercised in real time to validate the lessons learnt during these phases. You might recall that when Kharga Corps did the exercises with IBGs, even IAF component associated with IBGs was involved in real time.

You still don't have credible evidence of f-16 kill.there are mixed reports from media about f-16 kill.are you making fun of paf by comparing it to African forces? Hahaha African forces are you serious? Sir your comment is very funny.

 

[vstol Jockey]

You still don't have credible evidence of f-16 kill.there are mixed reports from media about f-16 kill.are you making fun of paf by comparing it to African forces? Hahaha African forces are you serious? Sir your comment is very funny.

Asking for proof of F-16 being shot down is even funnier.

 

[Arsalan123]

You crossed the LoC using terrain and gaps in our air defenses. Like we did a day before. You DID NOT launch a strike for showing anything. You launched PGMs and they all missed. You also failed your secondary objective of shooting a Su-30 despite firing a shitstorm of AMRAAMS and you lost one of your front line fighters to a MiG-21. The only thing that worked for you was the MiG falling in PoK. So apart from getting lucky nothing worked for you.

But if you insist ok you won, now brush your teeth and hit the bed. Its a school night.

Why your Sam fired missile toward a Target? What was it's Target? Was it a fighter jet who masked itself and save itself from direct kill or do you guys seriously fired a missile toward a helicopter? Helicopter crash and amraam wreckage seen by all.what else do you want from your enemy! Emotions not good for discussion.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Why your Sam fired missile toward a Target? What was it's Target? Was it a fighter jet who masked itself and save itself from direct kill or do you guys seriously fired a missile toward a helicopter? Helicopter crash and amraam wreckage seen by all.what else do you want from your enemy! Emotions not good for discussion.

good. now you are claiming that it was PAF which shot down Mi-17.

 

[Jaymax]

Why your Sam fired missile toward a Target? What was it's Target? Was it a fighter jet who masked itself and save itself from direct kill or do you guys seriously fired a missile toward a helicopter? Helicopter crash and amraam wreckage seen by all.what else do you want from your enemy! Emotions not good for discussion.

The helicopter - which was an unfortunate accident was the result of a IFF mistake. There was a COI and heads are rolling as we speak. We lost good men and the entire nation grieved for them. They will be remembered forever. Unlike the poor F-16 pilot who *did not exist*

 

[Guynextdoor]

You crossed the LoC using terrain and gaps in our air defenses. Like we did a day before. You DID NOT launch a strike for showing anything. You launched PGMs and they all missed. You also failed your secondary objective of shooting a Su-30 despite firing a shitstorm of AMRAAMS and you lost one of your front line fighters to a MiG-21. The only thing that worked for you was the MiG falling in PoK. So apart from getting lucky nothing worked for you.

But if you insist ok you won, now brush your teeth and hit the bed. Its a school night.

No. They could have targeted our border assets with standoff weapons. This was well known. They don't need gaps in our systems to do it.

 

[Jaymax]

No. They could have targeted our border assets with standoff weapons. This was well known. They don't need gaps in our systems to do it.

Did 2 F-16s not cross the LoC ? The ones that WC Abhinandan pounced on?

 

[Guynextdoor]

Did 2 F-16s not cross the LoC ? The ones that WC Abhinandan pounced on?

Yes. That was not as much as targeting the HQ as to 'bait' the IAF into sending a Su 30. In pursuit.

a) The Su 30 spent all their time jamming the airwaves against AMRAAMs
b) If we had sent an Su 30 in pursiut and it had been shot down within Pak (most likely a SAM) it would have been a major embarassment for India
c) WC accidentally found himself next to an F 16 and so followed through, else instruction to him was to 'turn cold'

 

[Guynextdoor]

Your narrative is not our narrative.you crossed red lines and we crossed your red lines.on feb26, you showed us your capability.on feb27 in braid daylight,we showed our capability.our objective was not to Target your army men.our objective is to show iaf that we can also enter in your airspace no matter how many Sams you place!

As an Indian General said
Every War needs an Single Objective (Eg. in 1971 it was liberation of Bangladesh. What is the Single objective of 2019? 'ENd Terrorism'. Can this be met by escalating to full war? No.

Thw above means only one thing. India crossed into Pakistan to kill terrorists. India has not escalated to full war because it doesn't help achieve objective.

 

[madrao99]

Arsalan123 is a known troll playing good cop on Indian forums, and spewing venom.on twitter and elsewhere.. Dont get fooled with the so called reasonableness.

 

[Hellfire]

No no, i had no intention of insulting you or @vstol Jockey.

Didn't take any insult

Merely saying, won't say much. Know the names too.

 

[rockstarIN]

The helicopter - which was an unfortunate accident was the result of a IFF mistake. There was a COI and heads are rolling as we speak. We lost good men and the entire nation grieved for them. They will be remembered forever. Unlike the poor F-16 pilot who *did not exist*

@Arsalan123

Well, they lost the best pilot on that day.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force awarding Chief of the Air Staff Trophy for best Combat Commander to Squadron Leader Haider Shahbaz Ali at the Graduation Ceremony Graduation Ceremony of Combat Commanders School PAF Base Sargodha

 

[Jaymax]

Arsalan123 is a known troll playing good cop on Indian forums, and spewing venom.on twitter and elsewhere.. Dont get fooled with the so called reasonableness.

Arsalan ended up being the only girl in an overloaded Karachi mini bus full of teenaged boys. So much for his trolling attempts.

 

[vstol Jockey]

@Arsalan123

Well, they lost the best pilot on that day.

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Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force awarding Chief of the Air Staff Trophy for best Combat Commander to Squadron Leader Haider Shahbaz Ali at the Graduation Ceremony Graduation Ceremony of Combat Commanders School PAF Base Sargodha

and he was so good that he was flying a two seater for combat. Clearly he considered himself incapable of controlling the battke all on his own.

 

[thinkingcap81]

@Arsalan123

Well, they lost the best pilot on that day.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force awarding Chief of the Air Staff Trophy for best Combat Commander to Squadron Leader Haider Shahbaz Ali at the Graduation Ceremony Graduation Ceremony of Combat Commanders School PAF Base Sargodha

How do we infer that it was Haider Shahbaz Ali and not any other pilot - lots of names were being passed around.