The late pilot was short, dark smelly and squat. Totally unlike a typical Pakistani - tall, fair, coloured eyes and robust physique. What did you expect?
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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The current govt is partly responsible for it, their attitude that they can fix any thing is why things have gone down hill. In lust for power they allied with terrorist sympathizers like mehbooba which emboldened these religious fanatics. On the one hand at the ground level forces were battling disruptive elements with hands tied behind on the other side we had mehbooba backing the terrorists & their sympathizers.Indian Air Force: Confusion created by IAF officer in ATC being blamed for Mi-17 chopper crash over Srinagar - The Economic Times
So ATC officer erred and we lost 6 people
Do read how terrorist sympathizers stole blackbox of chopper and the rich 'Kashmiriyat' carrying cultured jihadis pelted stones on army vehicles who reached the scene of accident.
This is where your tax money goes, to these freeloaders, traitors, to protect and feed these snakes, to provide security when they conduct grand funerals for terriosts, to protect them when they chant anti India slogans not just in Kashmir but in Delhi.
These Islamic supremacists believe so much in Islam that they want shariyat but never hesitate to kill innocent pilgrims or eat from 'haram' money by selling their country or living on tax of others.
Thought things will change after Modi but it's more of same, only cosmetic changes, parents of every terrorist get celebrity status, get interviews while Jawan gets attacked and pelted stones. Irony is these people still get to play victim and others oppressor. I wish once every few months Indian army conduct those things they get accused of, these snakes will start coming to their senses but they are too professional to reply in kind.
Every now & then current govt initiates a NIA investigation against these cold blooded killers and lets them go scot free. The terrorist elements in kashmir know that India will never take any serious action bcos most of them time the party in power at delhi will be busy playing political games. It makes no difference for the central govt what happens in kashmir, only when ppl are killed they put a show of action for mass consumption. I wish current govt instead spending time by indulging in political mud-wrestling in bengal or karnataka focused their attention towards kashmir.
Do you mean ammo stock? We have enough but not for all out war.basically after balakot,lots of things are changing like need for long range radars and sams.fortification on Punjab border is due to present hostile situation.we all agree that another blast in Kashmir will start a limited war and that's why preparations are ongoing to face any circumstances.
Thanks. Wouldn't it be easier if you just did not do another blast in Kashmir?
You were saying interesting times ahead, but our defense budget is indicating otherwise...
Will we purchase any new weaponry?
We don't want.we are already facing fatf possible blacklist scenario.the groups in Kashmir are not in our control.some were in our control but after burhan want death,groups started to split up and they decided not to take help from pakistan.you can check their videos.they still ask pakistan for help in videos.similar is true for the groups in Afghanistan.some groups are totally out of control.
We are preparing ourselves for a limited war.we know anything can happen in kashmir.there is militancy in kashmir.problem is if anything happen,we will be at war with india.we don't want war but India has no other option left.indis already decided not to talk despite our invitations.we basically understand the principle of iaf tactics.iaf is smart but we must protect our airspace at all cost.balakot is an eye opener.you can find lots of Indian and pakistani members who troll each other on balakot and Feb 27.reality is totally different.we are serious about defending air space and we know iaf is in large number as compared to paf.only solution is to detect iaf fighter jets early and disperse more sams.paf can't defend our airspace Everytime.this situation is challenging.
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Arsalan - if I did not know any better I would have thought you actually wanted to be friends.
Pulwama was done with your knowledge. It was aimed to hurt the BJP before the elections with the Pak army fully ready on the LoC to prevent any response. If you were serious about reforming, you could have threatened us all you wanted and concluded a deal in private to stop terror in exchange for no more air raids. India could have increased trade easily and you could have got a Billion dollars a year give or take from trade with India alone. Improved relations could have made way for a peace deal on Kashmir.
Instead you chose to strike back to "maintain parity". I will not debate the 27 Feb details again in the interest of saving my time. Similarly I will not go over the LoC exchanges again. What you have gained is the following
1. An angry India wanting to hammer you
2. Armed Forces given more liberty to engage you
3. The dangerous precedent of engaging planes in their own air space - I have said this before - it will come to bite you
4. Financial pressure across the board - FATF is just the beginning
5. Zero chance of any talks on Kashmir or anywhere else
6. Boycott of Pakistani products by the Indian diaspora in the west - even after you cleverly use Hindi names on your products
The average Indian was just getting over Kargil, 2001, the bomb blasts of 2000s decade, Mumbai attacks and you guys true to form did beheadings and Kaluchak. That kept the pot simmering and then you topped it with Pathankot, Uri and Pulwama. Let me tell you very clearly. India has official lost it now. Your words dont count for Cr@p. Unless we see meaningful verifiable action India will not let go.
Ahimsa was packed in polybags and thrown out of the window. This India is aching for a fight and it will come for you with a 400 Billion war chest.
You are funding your fight by selling your country bits and pieces to the slant eyed traders from across the Karakoram.
Think long and hard. Do you want this fight?
India wants ACTION not words.
If only Pakistan would take care of those terrorists then even Pakistan as a country will start doing well and talks on Kashmir can be held. But no.
We invited India three times for talks before pulwama.bjp is a powerful party.we never wanted bjp to be defeated in elections otherwise we will keep abhinandan in our custody just to degrade image of bjp before election.we released him on the request of bjp because we wanted end of hostilities.as I told you above,groups don't follow us anymore.we stopped help and they think that we deceived them.it was very easy for us not to release your pilot.there was lots of pressure on imran Khan specially american pressure.according to some sources,chamb was indian raid on our side.this was without any reason,without any blast in kashmir.what happened next is also type of hostility.i know about our raid as well but it's useless to talk about raids here.problem is bjp in power don't want talks.we asked it many times,even through unofficial channels but there is no intent from your side.what we are doing now is to make everything better like weapons needed to repel indian forces because cold start is a reality but some in Pakistan makes fun of it.trolls are everywhere.
I have many indian friends.friendship is a totally different thing.i have Hindu friends.one of my Hindu friend is now in Dubai.
Okay.
Specific to present day. What is their expenditure rate? Can you let me know? I am not very aware of the frequency and rate of fire they are presently employing along the LC, the breakdown of the subclass of the munitions and types and the exact number of incidents of fire.
However, assuming the sporadic firing with intermittent artillery shelling, not much dent will be made as the old stock is normally utilized, which would, otherwise, be relegated from first line to training anyways.
It is, for example, what we do. We have two types of ammunition that we keep. The first line, which is accounted for, and the training, which is meant for training specifically. The latter can be made of older stock that is nearing expiry or has expired in addition to the one designated as such anyways. (The first line and training is not the exact break down but should suffice for this)
Defence budget has nothing to do with the actions required to be taken by the forces as per changing geo-political situation. The emergent acquisitions can always be made through supplementary allocations. Won't read much into the sheer numbers being floated around.
What are your readings of the Geo political scenario in the immediate region? Quite frankly I am more concerned about internal security than external threats. However, Pakistan's Military seems to be doing a lot of coverups and placing unheard of restriction on media there, are they goinfg belly up or just usual day in the Militray dictatorship of Pakistan?
Why Didn't you return the Second Pilot with Abhi. First return second Pilot, along with the Israeli Pilot, and MKI airframe, then may be we can think of talk. Untill then stop spreading your Propaganda.
There is no Israeli pilot and there is no mki airframe.kindly don't pay attention to Pakistani media.
Cease fire violation by Pak troops in in Krishan Ghati and Mankote sectors of Poonch District ..mortar shelling started by pak troops..army is giving a befitting reply to Pak firing
I'm old enough to remember when windjammer used to claim he "just got off the phone with senior members of the Pakistan military" until the mods and admins on that forum told him to stop it or leave. He's full of crap and always has been. When I was on that forum I'd challenge him and he'd shut up quickly, because unlike him I actually have experience in the military, and work in the defence industry and know how things in the real world work. I was a mod on that forum believe it or not, we knew all too well what windjammer's real sources were. Here's a hint: none. He takes info out of context, makes claims with no support asking you to trust him - and the shame is so many do - reposts the same things again, and again, and again, and again, and again... he's not changed one bit, except he knows the mods and admins know his story and sources are BS. Khafee is that forum's other resident liar, but that's a different story.
Everyone on that forum has "sources". Unfortunately they're all in their head. Only a handful, less then 10 members actually have real experience or contacts in their nation's armed forces. It's a shame too, even 4 years ago that forum had some great members contributing. Now it's just trash up and down. Anyone worth anything left years ago. What's left are just clowns.
And in case you're wondering, my name on that forum is "Fenrir".
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