India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Falcon said:
Pakistan is merely a climber on a tree, in a symbiotic relationship. The roots are the social structure.
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No Pakistan is not merely a climber on the tree. On the other hand it is the one who has planted the tree. Remember the Kashmir problem started only after Pak send Mujahideen there in 1947?
And presently it is the one who is continuously providing sustainment to the root by actively funding terror groups and radicalizing the population.
Falcon said:
Until and unless you work at the grassroot, the citizen, you will always face challenges.
Simple solution - implement Union of India's laws, without exception, without 'people friendly' non-sense, across all the territories of India, uniformly without 'flexibility' and unflinchingly
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That is very complicated thing in our case. The citizen of Kashmir wants to separate from us solely due to their extremist Islamic ideology. They also have hope ( due to their delusional jihadi mentality ) that one day Pakistan will liberate them by Ghazwa-e-hind. Until this hope remains no matter what we do or how strongly we implement the law of Union of India the problem will remain. So for destroying that hope we have to destroy Pakistan. Once we do that the citizen will submit before us ending the problem once and for all.
P.S : I am sure you don't mind of me taking my time before responding you. Debating with a person having so vast knowledge and insight I have to proceed cautiously.

Falcon said:
The average Kashmiri is indifferent. Wants same thing as anyone normal does - peace, prosperity and an opportunity to grow.
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I respectfully disagree sir. They all are radicalized and beleive in wahabism and want Nizam-e-Mustafa and Sharia law.

Falcon said:
Have been actively posting for 4th (?) year now with this cohort. Have dropped a lot of hints and statements around.

There is a lovely movie The Illusionist - quite boring and at times, frustrating & exasperating; you start getting bored as you watch it. And when the end comes, everything falls into place and the beauty of the plot is simply amazing, the planning and execution - exquisite.

Similarly, our overall approach is too boring, mundane, unimaginative and lacking any attraction. Best strategies are always that ways. Random events, actions and variables which keep making an appearance but are not correlated.

So, is my approach ... I follow the GoI's official line always!!! :)
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Since I am a new member here I have not read them. But I may have some inkling of those plans through different sources. And I must admit they are excellent. But sir even if we follow that line we still have to face war ( although imposed by Pakistan on us) before October 2023.
Now answer my one question which is better fighting the war in own territory or taking it to enemy's territory ?
[ I am not even talking about seizing the initiative and element of surprise yet].
 
Deathstar said:
Life is very cheap in India , such news have become a normal now. Peaked in the 90s , some what lesser now
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Out of 100% only 2-3% care for country rest are just accidentally born Indians. Kisi ko koi parwa nahi hai
And India is a country where if you do something for India the Indians will try to finish you only because why you did and why not their kids. lol
 
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nair said:
I thought there is only 1 Zahid Hamid..... It seems there are several biradars..... I had a good morning laugh, other wise I had to watch swami nityanda for my morning enlightenment of laughter
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I am sure, anyone who knows vedic astrology will die laughing after hearing this. Yeh toh poori bawali poonch se. Kasar na hai katai bhi.
 
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Butter Chicken said:
Looks like Bajwa and gang will do a major jihadi terror attack and call it a false flag


https://twitter.com/x/status/1164824924323627008
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screambowl said:
Niazi making statements about some false flag op by Ind
This means there is a chance of skirmish if something happens
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Language of Imran Khan is typical language used at other forum, it is very possible in our good old days the user we whipped there for being too dumb could be present PM of Pakistan.

Don't be surprised if other ministers also come out of their DPF closet. ;)
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
A few closing points -
Tell me, after the lifting of sanctions on Iran, their unnecessary bargaining and leveraging us by bringing in the Russians in the Farzad B gas field would've left a bitter taste in our mouths. What saved us was Trump's election and Iran's attempts at over playing their hand. What's the alternative? The same old Gulf states who'd only be delighted by our limited maneouvrability minus Iran. Venezuela is shut. Russia & the US too far away and not the most trusted of suppliers. Where's the alternative to the CAR?
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Gas has many suppliers. There's Australia, Malaysia and Indonesia, in that order. These three are among the top 5 exporters. I won't be surprised if we have a pipeline to India from these countries announced in the near future.
Australia grabs world's biggest LNG exporter crown from Qatar in Nov - Reuters

And then there's Nigeria and Algeria. Not to mention Trinidad and Tobago. All reliable suppliers via sea.

The US is also planning to join the list of major exporters.

India also has significant gas reserves which are yet to be tapped.
India’s massive untapped natural gas reserves could help free up $306 million a day on imported oil

That's why India is pegging its fossil fuel future on natural gas instead of petroleum. We do not need to depend on the Middle East or the CAR, although pipelines are cheap from these regions.

India also plans on a pipeline from Russia through China.

Plenty of options.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Language of Imran Khan is typical language used at other forum, it is very possible in our good old days the user we whipped there for being too dumb could be present PM of Pakistan.

Don't be surprised if other ministers also come out of their DPF closet.
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Lol!
He is trying to escape the blacklisting in the FATF by calling their sponsored terrorism as India's false flag. The ground on which Pakistan will further be blacklisted pan World is terror funding. So he is trying to minimize the damage.
 
randomradio said:
Gas has many suppliers. There's Australia, Malaysia and Indonesia, in that order. These three are among the top 5 exporters. I won't be surprised if we have a pipeline to India from these countries announced in the near future.
Australia grabs world's biggest LNG exporter crown from Qatar in Nov - Reuters

And then there's Nigeria and Algeria. Not to mention Trinidad and Tobago. All reliable suppliers via sea.

The US is also planning to join the list of major exporters.

India also has significant gas reserves which are yet to be tapped.
India’s massive untapped natural gas reserves could help free up $306 million a day on imported oil

That's why India is pegging its fossil fuel future on natural gas instead of petroleum. We do not need to depend on the Middle East or the CAR, although pipelines are cheap from these regions.

India also plans on a pipeline from Russia through China.

Plenty of options.
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Where's the damn energy policy of this or previous governments? The shift to gas from petroleum is known. The proportion isn't. The last I heard was this government was supposed to come out with one in 2015-16. If they did, I haven't heard of it. Or perhaps they did and thought its a state secret. Or perhaps it's under revision. Don't you look at the confused stand on EV? The Niti Aayog says something one day, the GoI something else and the industry looks in askance. Ever since the auto industry has taken severe hits this year, all talks on switching over 2 wheelers to EV by 2025 is buried. Meanwhile China ruthlessly sticks to its targets or surpasses them.
 
Janardan Shukla said:
So you are saying the average Kashmiri is not a supporter of Pakistan due to it being an Islamic nation?
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If they are wealthy, peaceful and stable country .
At present no one cares for a broke country.
Who ll support a place where u ll find difficult to get even tomatoes..
 
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Where's the damn energy policy of this or previous governments? The shift to gas from petroleum is known. The proportion isn't. The last I heard was this government was supposed to come out with one in 2015-16. If they did, I haven't heard of it. Or perhaps they did and thought its a state secret. Or perhaps it's under revision. Don't you look at the confused stand on EV? The Niti Aayog says something one day, the GoI something else and the industry looks in askance. Ever since the auto industry has taken severe hits this year, all talks on switching over 2 wheelers to EV by 2025 is buried. Meanwhile China ruthlessly sticks to its targets or surpasses them.
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Everything that's being done is following a strategy. What you and I know will be completely different from what the auto CEOs and other relevant people know. So what you see in the media is a game being played to keep foreign powers guessing.

China is not constrained like we are, they are in a position today that allows them to show the finger to anybody and everybody and keep going. We are not there at all.

What's more interesting and more concrete is what you see happening at home. Take LPG vs natural gas for cooking for instance. GoI has a plan to withdraw LPG almost entirely from the country. That's why all cities are now getting piped gas using the cleaner and safer natural gas.

Delhi
Piped cooking gas to everyone in Delhi-NCR in 5 years: IGL

Mumbai
70% Mumbaikars to have piped gas connection by 2022: Pradhan

Bangalore
57,000 Homes to get piped natural gas by year-end

You can expect that by 2030, at least the households of tier 1 and 2 cities will be LPG-free. Although LPG forms a very miniscule amount in our overall oil imports, but the writing's on the wall already.

What China is doing boisterously, we are doing quietly.

Same with EV. We have a policy. But what we have been playing with is announcing the goals of the policy. Our friends in the Middle East do not like our attempts at going all electric, so we announce a big plan (the goal) and then take it back quickly, and then raise it again. It's simply theatrics, gives us a negotiation advantage with these 'friends'. What's happening behind the scenes is obviously something else entirely, and those who need to know, know this. And they know this due to something called regulation. GOI has skipped Bharat Stage V and directly moved to Stage VI, which raises the cost of IC engines drastically. And the new FAME policy is more electric friendly with less taxes and more incentives. Even in this case, the writing's already on the wall. Even if I don't make the policy goals public, I can ensure people are buying electric over IC because it makes financial sense for the individual, and that's what's going to be happening pretty soon.

If you're out to buy a Honda City, if a petrol/diesel Honda City is more expensive than an electric Honda City in terms of purchase price, running and maintenance, which one would you choose? Why would I need to announce a policy goals when things can be done quietly? This is in fact much more scary than simply announcing the goal right from the start.

BS VI
What will the move to Bharat Stage VI standards entail?

FAME-II
https://auto.economictimes.indiatim...mobility-to-be-rolled-out-from-april/68324899

You might see some good discounts if you're in the market for BS IV compliant cars this Diwali or even the end of the FY.

Same with our renewable power. We have gone so quiet about it, but every year renewable power projects are getting bigger and bigger. Hell, even Ambani wants to slowly start selling off his oil business in the long term and move into other industries.

Quoting Falcon:
There is a lovely movie The Illusionist - quite boring and at times, frustrating & exasperating; you start getting bored as you watch it. And when the end comes, everything falls into place and the beauty of the plot is simply amazing, the planning and execution - exquisite.

Similarly, our overall approach is too boring, mundane, unimaginative and lacking any attraction. Best strategies are always that ways. Random events, actions and variables which keep making an appearance but are not correlated.

You and I do not need to know the govt strategy because it doesn't affect it in anyway. All we can do is wait and watch for everything to fall in place.
 
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Butter Chicken said:
Mere Akhiyo na Noor Akhnoor

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164884422945959936
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Exactly what @Falcon had stated. While we were being jingoistic that we have crossed loc and captured territory and akhnoor dagger, falcon rejected it outright but did say that we have made it too hot for Pak army to occupy. And entire stretch is at mercy of our army. In other words while we have not taken over any Pak territory but we have made it unmanageable for them and Indian army controls it from within our borders. So Pakistan can't claim that India is hegemonic and is taking over their land but we did exactly that without any repercussion from any country. Just incredible...☺
 
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Exactly what @Falcon had stated. While we were being jingoistic that we have crossed loc and captured territory and akhnoor dagger, falcon rejected it outright but did say that we have made it too hot for Pak army to occupy. And entire stretch is at mercy of our army. In other words while we have not taken over any Pak territory but we have made it unmanageable for them and Indian army controls it from within our borders. So Pakistan can't claim that India is hegemonic and is taking over their land but we did exactly that without any repercussion from any country. Just incredible...☺
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I was the one who had stated that we have captured Akhnoor. The word capture does not mean having feet on ground but controlling it is also capture. We can walk in anyday to occupy the dagger.
 
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