I think your concern is misplaced. Army dominated country,they will buy arms even taking money from IMF or levaraging chinese.How long the bubble sustain from here on needs to be seen. Lots of foreign currency loan needs to be hounered. If war does not start still Argentina like bankruptcy may very much trigger series of event.Have you seen the recent news milk is coslier than petrol. Damage already done.pkr will score a double hundred by 2020.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Although they don't have the capability to take back JK from us as of now, atleast all Pakistanis have a clear goal in mind: Annexation of JK by any means..
You can only build capabilities when you have a clear goal in mind.
We have witnessed how 3 front s - Pakistan, J&K Azadi groups , militant s were handled like playing a chess game...
U still think we don't have a aim?
I think we have multiple and also interlinked.
Military and government knows people don't. People will cry once India goes to war. And coming to capability, yes, India has the best bat but to play the ball it requires practice. Both the citizens and army needs to be prepared before that so that later no one comes in middle of it and shout enough!
There will be always some group in between, it won't matter.. Actions will be swift and fast. If we want everything going our way.. It's best if pak disintegrates inside out.
Wat are those conditions under which Pakistan was given this equipment? If any idea? Is it one of the conditions that it will not be integrated with the Chinese or any other system.?
What I read somewhere that Pakistan follows air to air defence doctrine like NATO if ASTRA deployment makes their weapon systems obsolete which I doubt, then they will be right now also procuring the Chinese HQ9.
Sindh up in arms over Centre's plan to invoke Article 149 in Karachi
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2054764/1-sindh-arms-centres-plan-invoke-article-149-karachi/
KARACHI: Federal Law and Justice Minister Farogh Naseem’s hint at the possible invocation of Article 149 (4) in Karachi has garnered fierce opposition from across Sindh.
Several politicians, writers, intellectuals and civil society activists in the southern province have termed the statement a “conspiracy” against Pakistan and demanded Naseem’s resignation.
@vstol Jockey
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2054764/1-sindh-arms-centres-plan-invoke-article-149-karachi/
KARACHI: Federal Law and Justice Minister Farogh Naseem’s hint at the possible invocation of Article 149 (4) in Karachi has garnered fierce opposition from across Sindh.
Several politicians, writers, intellectuals and civil society activists in the southern province have termed the statement a “conspiracy” against Pakistan and demanded Naseem’s resignation.
@vstol Jockey
Sindhi leaders have a slogan - Marvesoon par Sindh na desoon. This will lead to a civil movement on the level of what the Lawyers did to Pervert Busharraf
They were the first to embrace Jinnah's Pakistan once he promised autonomy. It's a different matter autonomy didn't follow. But The Bhutto family kept their tryst with Pakistan. Still do
Maybe next time (if there is one), dont host Osama Bin Laden, right next to your military complex too... its quite the conversation starter with any neutral party.
You can present the samjhota/RAW dossier again at UN (was it the UN? I forgot already)...and have it thrown out like last time too.
Here's the problem with your country, it simply has a complete entrenched cabal controlling everything in brittle (all or nothing) fashion. More brittle it gets, the more hypocrisy is revealed with time....just our generation on our side changes....but we read up and see the same ole same ole.
Things as simple as contrasting "UN resolution" clarion call from it, with its "operation gibraltar"....and then Kargil
Or as simple as "human rights violation"....with its actions in operation searchlight and beyond (and continued suppression of release of even its own hamoodur commission findings). No apology (forget compensation) given to the victims, more than half of your country as it started out. It's really too bad Bhutto pleaded like he did with Indira Gandhi and that she foolishly accepted his dumb excuse why LoC border can't be accepted.
Then on top of all this your cabal and its cacophony assortment of brainwashed riffraff have the temerity to keep braying after Mumbai terror attacks....and join the conspiracy theories there with the OBL raid ones....coz Pakistan is some wild ego-swing between ultimate hero and ultimate victim.
Enjoy the FATF and inflation fever....its just getting started. We gotta hammer and soften you lot more from two sides (FATF is just on top)...
1) ensure Bangladesh completely and permanently crowds you out of RMG sector entry to earn easy forex for next few decades
2) Keep your cabal hooked to chinese loan "gestational" projects...so you really delude yourselves the cart is not in front of the horse and go all in there. All the while get no FDI in actual production of anything worth a damn....so the long term collapse on this "model" (that not one successful country has ever even approached for a reason, including the one selling you on it) is especially painful and hopefully revolutionary.
Enjoy the on cue gulfie-bhai awards too (same ones bailing you out because of your cabal utter mismanagement)..... whenever we do something that upsets you and you go running waah waaah to ummah....and they hand an award to India and tell you "chup raho beta.... chup". I guess only so much you can whine at them huh? This is what happens when you outsource your total psyche for some cheap immediate feel good....you turn into a compulsive junkie and your hit-providers grow weary of you over time too.
You see too long we felt we could sort this out peacefully "top down"....but ppl at your top pyramid are dishonest, treacherous scumbags and enough of you seem to be fine with it (or unwilling to do anything about it). Thus we gotta go through bottom up "foundations" route....make the body suffer hard and long enough so it understands the errors of its mind.
Attack POK to rule it is impossible, not because we can't win the war but because we won't be able to hold the territory.
last 60 year history is a testament to the fact that no matter how strong the aggressor, unless there is an over-whelming local support, there is simply no chance for even the most powerful nation to OCCUPY foreign lands.
Our strategy at best would be defeat Pakistan Army in POK, occupy few very strategic positions to cut the Chinese jugular into Pakistan and declare POK or parts of it as independent nation.
Not just we, there is no country in the world that has the means to occupy land as big as POK, look at how US is struggling in Afghanistan.
Coming to war, Pakistan would be done and dusted in couple of weeks. Oh, they are very capable military with excellent hardware and disciplined soldiers who are battle hardened but wars are won and lost based on the amount of food front line soldier is getting. It's all about economics and logistics after the war starts.
Economics is not on pakistani side,
Logistics is not on Chinese side to help pakistanis.
last 60 year history is a testament to the fact that no matter how strong the aggressor, unless there is an over-whelming local support, there is simply no chance for even the most powerful nation to OCCUPY foreign lands.
Our strategy at best would be defeat Pakistan Army in POK, occupy few very strategic positions to cut the Chinese jugular into Pakistan and declare POK or parts of it as independent nation.
Not just we, there is no country in the world that has the means to occupy land as big as POK, look at how US is struggling in Afghanistan.
Coming to war, Pakistan would be done and dusted in couple of weeks. Oh, they are very capable military with excellent hardware and disciplined soldiers who are battle hardened but wars are won and lost based on the amount of food front line soldier is getting. It's all about economics and logistics after the war starts.
Economics is not on pakistani side,
Logistics is not on Chinese side to help pakistanis.
I don't understand why every indian talks about osama.osama was not Pakistani terrorist or a terrorist which India wanted to kill.the matter was between us and americans.i have watched lots of Indian programs.members like parthsathi and gd bakshi said the same thing several times.first of all,it was not your matter at all.
You are shaking our body because the Trump administration wants to make India Asian super power just to thwart Chinese influence.even America need us today.you have managed to destroy this peace deal behind the scene using pompeo but for how long? Yes economy is in bad situation but it's not because of India, it's our internal mistakes and we accept that we made mistakes.you are so happy about fatf and other financial problems Pakistan is facing.what we are doing on our side? Patience.one day we will get out of this fatf list.joy is not forever.
Will they accept the events? They are tribes, powerful and armed tribes.yes sir do whatever you want.i think nobody is willing to attack on each other Kashmir.
Sir we are buying all these weapons not to attack you but to defend ourselves.defending is easy,attack is very hard.i think your army already have many better weapons.we don't want to stay behind.we have flown j-10c several times but first we analyze performance.withiut good performance,any missile or jet is useless.yes and I am also not sure about your policy.do you really want Pakistani territory or do you want end of terrorism? Balakot was based on terrorism philosophy but talk in India about our Kashmir looks odd.is it for land?
I read that in 71,paf chief didn't even wanted to fight because of differences.i think it was true story.very sad if true.
Let me explain it to you on a most possible simple terms.....
1)Pakistan says: It is a victim of terror and does not support any terrorists
2) India says Pakistan is a country which produces and nurture terrorists to attack its neighbors
3) Proof : The country protected the Worlds most wanted terrorists in its soil is not a victim of terror but a nation which supports terrorists......So was the case of Mulla Omar, who died in a Pakistani military hospital.......
4) Masod Azhar who was caught in Kashmir for terror related charges, who was released after hijack of IC814, is running a madrassa in bahawalpur for past decade and your FM says he is I'll.......What more you want?
Wise men taught us to abstain the company of liars ... they will consume you till eternity
Only question for Pakistani @arsalan , we dont care what happens inside Pakistan untill we are not harmed. Just ask yourself one question
Whats the image of Pakistan around the world???
What comes to mind of a 3rd person when name Pakistan is heard?? Think genuinely (if u can).
Whats the image of Pakistan around the world???
What comes to mind of a 3rd person when name Pakistan is heard?? Think genuinely (if u can).
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