India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Nilgiri said:
There will be zero response for "talks" as long as you have Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar (all designated UN terrorists) out in the open and active and not handed over to India to face trial...and not do your due diligence internally for what cultivated them in first place (at your highest levels of power).

It's really that simple.

We now prefer to simply get things done at FATF. 10 billion loss each year (your own minister estimate) and we will keep pushing to get this figure as high as possible. You made your bed, you can sleep in it now.... no need to fake-talk and stay sleep deprived to fake-keep up with us...and we wont pay any heed to your sleep-talking either. Just get some good long rest and you can see if things are clearer to your military "elite" (with all their corrupt ill gotten wealth and land holdings) when you wake up.

It is better simply to create a completely intolerable economic situation inside Pakistan as quick as possible... so its people finally do the needful themselves against the rotten, treacherous and evil establishment. Only Eastern wing of Pakistan did it so far.
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Looks like you want to make another bangladesh.not allowed sir not allowed.un designated terrorist only after indian influence reached it's peak.you made them terrorist just because of poor pakistani governments who sold integrity of Pakistan.even if they are terrorist,handing them over to you is impossible.pakistan maintains same stand on samjhota express but what happened to your investigation? There are no answers.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
India Today (@IndiaToday) Tweeted:
Mission PoK!!
Troops ready, govt to decide on PoK: Army chief (
https://twitter.com/x/status/1172086640119934976
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Just Today only I thought what's next?
Don't know what the reasonable time required to bring New Normal to Kashmir.

Pakistan Imran is adamant in giving only speeches / gathering s .. Not escalating anything..

Will anything change after next FATF meeting.?
China or some country will bail out Pakistan or they ll give some extra time.

Nothing is going to change.

Blacklisting if it happened, would be major deciding factor.
 
Ok PEOPLE and Arm Chair Warriors / Gladiators

Please Answer My Question

How many Casualties will INDIA suffer if we
Try to Capture POK
 
screambowl said:
The question should be how many casulality would India suffer if Pakistan launches strike on India to take the valley when Modi is not the PM.
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See ,I know The mentality of Indians very well

The Same people who are Supporting Modi today will Start Questioning and Criticising
Him when the Coffins.start coming home

Kargil was a Different matter

We were fighting to Re gain our lost territory

Capturing POK will cause Casualties

How many we dont know

And At what point will these Casualties become an Election issue and embarrassment for the Govt , we cannot say
 
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screambowl said:
The question should be how many casulality would India suffer if Pakistan launches strike on India to take the valley when Modi is not the PM.
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If Pakistan provides us a "Casus Belli " ie
A Reason to go to war , we should then invade ,not only POK but also destroy their
Military Machinery

But as of now there is no Cause to go to War
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
The Same people who are Supporting Modi today will Start Questioning and Criticising
Him when the Coffins.start coming home
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I agree with you totally, we are big time pessimists and introvert, even Ajit doval had mentioned it so many times that Indian mind has become introvert due to thousand years of insecurity. This needs to be treated first and for that you should start with small objectives.
STEPHEN COHEN said:
If Pakistan provides us a "Casus Belli " ie
A Reason to go to war , we should then invade ,not only POK but also destroy their
Military Machinery

But as of now there is no Cause to go to War
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Pakistan as a nation is itself a cause to finish their terror mindset. My only worry is not for today, but tomorrow. Because after so many years, decades we have a strong center and if not now then never.

Tell me honestly how many of people believe that our position will be strong like it is now when Pm Modi and Doval is not there? May God forbid, if the introverts in our nation make Pappu the PM you can imagine what will happen to us.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
See ,I know The mentality of Indians very well

The Same people who are Supporting Modi today will Start Questioning and Criticising
Him when the Coffins.start coming home

Kargil was a Different matter

We were fighting to Re gain our lost territory

Capturing POK will cause Casualties

How many we dont know

And At what point will these Casualties become an Election issue and embarrassment for the Govt , we cannot say
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If we can capture and retain pok, casualties of a few thousand won't matter.. and anyway during the course of the war, government does not release casualty figures... But, what would matter, is that Modi should be seen by India as responding to Pakistani agression, and not as the aggressor.. In India the life of civilians and soldiers is pretty cheap...
 
Sulla84 said:
If we can capture and retain pok, casualties of a few thousand won't matter.. and anyway during the course of the war, government does not release casualty figures... But, what would matter, is that Modi should be seen by India as responding to Pakistani agression, and not as the aggressor.. In India the life of civilians and soldiers is pretty cheap...
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More than POK , if we are able to Destroy Pak Navy and PAF in a High intensity battle
Of Attrition , That will be far more useful,
For Modifying Pakistan's Behaviour
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
See ,I know The mentality of Indians very well

The Same people who are Supporting Modi today will Start Questioning and Criticising
Him when the Coffins.start coming home

Kargil was a Different matter

We were fighting to Re gain our lost territory

Capturing POK will cause Casualties

How many we dont know

And At what point will these Casualties become an Election issue and embarrassment for the Govt , we cannot say
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All that's only in case war goes on for years and years and people get tired of reading and watching how many people died in the conflict in newspapers and on TVs, made worse when anti-Indian, anti-establishment journalists or anti-war start making up their own stories about the conflict.

Any Indo-Pak war to retake PoJK is going to be really quick for such things to matter.

Indians are blase to casualties due to the large number of insurgencies in the country anyway. And when it comes to dealing with Pakistan, the average expectation will be for the army to do better and reduce casualties rather than simply stop the war itself.

The way I see it, international pressure will be greater than domestic pressure.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
More than POK , if we are able to Destroy Pak Navy and PAF in a High intensity battle
Of Attrition , That will be far more useful,
For Modifying Pakistan's Behaviour
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They don't have much options to protect their small assets, they can't shift their naval assets like IN can. So they are mostly concentrated along Gawadar and Karachi. Shahbaz, samungli , masroor and bholari are their important air bases in southern command. And since Pakistan extends till Gujarat, they really don't need to shift all of their assets towards North. They have already hidden their assets. :ROFLMAO:
 
randomradio said:
All that's only in case war goes on for years and years and people get tired of reading and watching how many people died in the conflict in newspapers and on TVs, made worse when anti-Indian, anti-establishment journalists or anti-war start making up their own stories about the conflict.

Any Indo-Pak war to retake PoJK is going to be really quick for such things to matter.

Indians are blase to casualties due to the large number of insurgencies in the country anyway. And when it comes to dealing with Pakistan, the average expectation will be for the army to do better and reduce casualties rather than simply stop the war itself.

The way I see it, international pressure will be greater than domestic pressure.
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Few weeks isnt quick in this age of misinformation.
But seeing how the events are unfolding GOI is getting a firm hold of MSM internally. Compared to 2016 surgical strikes where the opposition and leftists had a say now its been reduced to a few.
 
randomradio said:
They will go into hiding.
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The number of times IAF planes entered enemy airspace was much greater than the number of times PAF entered Indian airspace even in the western sector in 1971. Only the defeat of Pak army in the heavily defended Punjab will make a difference... But, I don't see that happening..
 
Ashwathama said:
About 30-40k if nukes don't start flying.
Note: this is an opinion of a veteran arm chair general and should be treated as such.
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Sir, Can they launch nukes on their own? There was a recent news few hundred chinese workers working in Pak nuclear facility all left because they caught 'dengue'
 
shaxm said:
Sir, Can they launch nukes on their own? There was a recent news few hundred chinese workers working in Pak nuclear facility all left because they caught 'dengue'
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For the love of Ram Lalla please don't call me sir, I have just graduated college. Second of all I have seen both sides being debated here. And they do have missiles capable of doing what you speak of. Do they work however....... 😛😛
 
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