But in case of war, will the higher no of SPGs of Pak army have a significant advantage compared to Towed artilleries of Indian army?
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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The US was a military ally to Pakistan and they bailed on you every time there was a war. Google SEATO. Pakistan withdrew from it in 1972 after the US bailed on Pakistan.
What makes you think China will help Pakistan when even the US did not even though the US was a treaty alliance?
The Chinese owe you nothing. Nor are they interested in protecting Pakistan on their dime.
Last 10 days from what I hear has been an massacre for the Taliban. Majority of the Afghan sources on twitter claiming large number of Taliban causalities.
And they will say war happened because it was bilateral issue and Pakistan had to intervene, be it through regulars or irregulars. We have given Pakistan only one advantage that is now since it is a bilateral issue, Pakistan can do whatever it wants in Kashmir. They are only waiting because of FATF and right now in cool down mode.
Actual situation is as followed:
Actually they have not stopped any thing and they will do everything irrespective of win or loss. They are still infiltrating at LOC and this will continue till Pakistan is there. So to them it makes no difference.
What makes difference to them is the aid coming from here and there would be stopped if FATF black lists them. They are getting billion dollar 'Zakat' in the name of Kashmir that keeps their operations running without spending their own money. The Joint Intelligence North is extra top uped for any operations in Kashmir.
Some so called experts claim that as if India will have no trouble facing Pakistan, Pakistan started to use reserves etc etc is so untrue. Pakistan has not even touched their reserves yet, also ammo. This is a disinformation. This all money is the aid money which they get from here and there and use it in Indian Kashmir and LOC.
Their Mujahid regiment was running on aid, so you can imagine the extent of amount and money they get as aid. They are only silent till FATF and till Modi is the PM. Government will change on our side not their side. We have the risk of having a soft government in centre in future not them.
It's never good to take enemy lightly.
ANI (@ANI) Tweeted:
Colonel (Retd) Wajahat Hasan from Gilgit-Baltistan, at the 42nd session of UNHRC in Geneva: Pakistan says that the whole J&K is a disputed territory so there should be rights of self-determination. I must say that how Pakistan can claim that it is a disputed territory? (1/2) ANI on Twitter ( )
ANI (@ANI) Tweeted:
Colonel (Retd) Wajahat Hasan from Gilgit Baltistan: They have kept Gilgit-Baltistan under the cockpit of Kashmir for so long era that people don't now about Gilgit-Baltistan's importance and its link with the J&K state overall. (2/2) ANI on Twitter ANI on Twitter ( )
Colonel (Retd) Wajahat Hasan from Gilgit-Baltistan, at the 42nd session of UNHRC in Geneva: Pakistan says that the whole J&K is a disputed territory so there should be rights of self-determination. I must say that how Pakistan can claim that it is a disputed territory? (1/2) ANI on Twitter ( )
ANI (@ANI) Tweeted:
Colonel (Retd) Wajahat Hasan from Gilgit Baltistan: They have kept Gilgit-Baltistan under the cockpit of Kashmir for so long era that people don't now about Gilgit-Baltistan's importance and its link with the J&K state overall. (2/2) ANI on Twitter ANI on Twitter ( )
Pakistan's motive was to discuss J&K not as a one region, they divided it even in comprehensive dialogue. And they have been succeeding until Modi tightened the bureaucracy and military generals to act than to stay on rum doing ball and talk big and fool the public.
I say GB is more important to us than lower areas as it gives India connectivity to central Asia.
You are one wannabe expert who could not even convince his superiors for strict action against Pakistan and now roams with a batch of veteran.
Was that meant to be riposte? Came out rather pathetic. Been ignoring your rather pontified berating of forces sans logic, evidence & rationale. However, when you do post big words like mark this or that with a load of bullshit in it, time you were dealt with as have to be dealt with.
I am pretty bang on my assessment of what actions we will and will not take. If you can overcome your own inflated sense of self, you will be able to understand the sheer nonsense you write as an assessment.
You know jack about operations being run presently by Indian forces, yet have the bloody cheek to talk as if you are God given gift in tactical & strategic operations and Indian forces are fools.
You think you know better? Then pray, do tell me, your years of service. If you did not serve, learn, instead of spewing bullshit across forums my dear resident expert on RMAs.
Not a single of your assessments have come near to any correctness till now. You may have the tactical knowledge about the equipment and capability of them but strategy is a whole different scenario.And when I post I also quote my old posts, I don't shift goal posts. I have no intention to get involve in a keyboard spat with you.
Let me make this very clear to you..... You can have your own point of view on any matter under sun...You can debate the same as passionate as you want...... But.....
We do not tolerate being disrespectful to the professionals in this forum or the Indian Armed forces in general......
This is the last warning
He is the one who quoted me and made personal remarks first, and he got it in the language he understands, because of his age I have tried my self to remain very polite and showed inclination towards not to get into spat with him, in this nation politicians, military generals, bureaucrats every one is answerable. There is no personal attack from my side on any one, I speak with facts, yes I do pep talk at times but that's never against any body.
And I am ready to apologize @Falcon not because he is some professional but he is older than me.
The Israeli Connection:
There is more to Balakot than the numbers
Iqbal Chand Malhotra
The BJP President Amit Shah may not have been far-off the mark when he claimed that 250 terrorists were killed during the Indian Air Force’s air strike on Balakot at around 3:30 am local time on February 26th, 2019. However, Shah would never be able to provide the evidence to back his claim. Revealing the evidence would violate the charter of ‘The MOU on Geosynchronous Earth Orbit and Low Earth Orbit Optical Link’ signed between Prime Ministers Modi and Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on July 5th, 2017 in New Delhi. This MoU permits Indian and Israeli satellites to ‘talk to each other’.
Let me explain further. EL/M-2070 Tec SAR, also known as Tech SAR, Polaris and Ofek-8, is an Israeli Reconnaissance Satellite equipped with synthetic aperture radar developed by Elta Systems. It was successfully launched on January 21st, 2008, by PSLV C-10, Launch Vehicle, from Sriharikota in India. This satellite is perhaps the world’s only satellite that is an indispensable system for military operations in the mountainous terrains of Central Asia that includes the Hindu Kush, Karakoram and Himalayan ranges. It is capable of imaging with a resolution of up to 10 centimeters, through an X-band radar system. The satellite’s maximum resolution is believed to be around 1 metre. Tec SAR’s was the first Israeli satellite to feature Synthetic Aperture Radar, or SAR, which provides images in day or night and under all-weather conditions.
Now, RISAT-2, or Radar Imaging Satellite 2, is an Indian Radar Reconnaissance Satellite that was built by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and successfully launched aboard a PSLV-CA rocket at 01:15 GMT on April 20th, 2009 from the second launchpad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre. RISAT-2’s main sensor is also an X-band synthetic aperture radar from IAI. It is designed to monitor India’s borders and is a part of anti-infiltration and anti-terrorist operations.
Here is a possible scenario of what happened over Balakot on the night of Feb 26th, 2019. The Israeli satellite Tec SAR was tasked to directly send images of heat signatures of the number of terrorists sleeping in their dormitories in the Balakot Camp to RISAT-2. This exchange took place in outer space. Mind you, the dormitories were located in two separate buildings that flanked the main structure. The main structure was of no strategic or tactical interest. Having confirmed that whatever number of terrorists were in the land of nod, RISAT-2 transmitted this information to the designated IAF Phalcon AWACS that was controlling this attack. All of this would have happened in under 15 minutes. The Phalcon then transmitted the go-ahead to the Flight Leader of the Mirage 2000s to launch their ordnance. While this was in progress, it is presumed because of the sensitivity involved in this virgin exercise, Site IV of the US National Command Authorities (NCA) Ground Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System (GEODSS) at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was also patched in. Diego Garcia in turn would be directly connected to the USAF Space Command Space Defence Centre (SPADOC) at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex. This in turn would have patched in the Pentagon.
The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data
THE QUESTION IS: were the Mirage 2000s using the Israeli SPICE 2000? While undoubtedly, the SPICE 2000 ‘operates on pre-recorded GPS coordinates’, and the weapon’s ‘advanced identification and processing abilities can reportedly help overcome jamming efforts’, the public announcement of its usage may have been a decoy. My guess is that the Mirage 2000 which fired the ordnance was armed with the Israeli Delilah Cruise Missile. Delilah is a cruise missile capable of deceiving even the much-vaunted Trumpf S-400 Russian air defence system and can loiter over a contested area before hitting the target. Delilah has a range of 250 km and can penetrate any air defence system. This is why the Pakistani air defences were clueless as to what was hurtling through the skies towards Balakot. SPICE 2000 is nowhere in the league of Delilah. The use of Delilah would have also rattled the Chinese as they use the S-400 system. We seem to have the weapon capable of overriding even the Chinese Air Defence shield at present, if we really do have Delilah?
But this is by no means the end of the story. A confused and perplexed Pakistani leadership was floored. Their reaction was knee -jerk. The very next day, on February 27th, 2019 an assorted flight of PAF aircraft attempted to invade Indian air space and launch ordnance against targets in Jammu & Kashmir. Why did they flee and why did their ordnance not reach the designated targets?
The PAF used H4 Stand Off Weapon (SOW) in this attack. It has a terminal guidance system based on an infrared homing seeker, which identifies the target during the final stage of flight. Designed to hit targets till 120 km, the bomb may have the capability to evade radar. This is based on technology copied from the South African T-Darter BVR missile and in this particular case was susceptible to being jammed by the IAF’s IR Jammers which disabled the H4, confusing the infrared seekers placed in the cone of the H4. Furthermore, it is my guess that the IAF Phalcon controlling this dogfight was armed with the Rafael Sky Shield EW pod which can protect an entire fighter formation. All the AMRAAM’s fired by the PAF F16s and similar Chinese missiles fired by the PAF JF-17s, were disabled and flew harmlessly by. The entire battle will have to be broken down and diagnosed to decipher how the missile that downed Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman’s MiG- 21 Bison was able to penetrate the Sky Shield. Thereafter, heavy pressure from all of its benefactors, excepting China, compelled Pakistan to return Varthaman.
Undoubtedly, India owes a debt to Israel. The Tec SAR, RISAT, Phalcon, SPICE, Delilah, Sky Shield and MiG 21 Bison are all Israeli products. Pakistan for the first time realised both the limitations of its own ability to ‘steal and copy’ and the effectiveness of Chinese technology, and so did their Chinese overlords. The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data for all the participants to analyse and study. This may open up such cooperation with Japan as well.
For the Chinese, from their point of view, this was an unfair fight and they desperately needed to prop up the demoralised Pakistani morale. Both the Chinese and the Pakistanis have got to know how India feels as they are pitted against us in choreographed synchronicity. For the first time after 1971 when the Soviets helped us with satellite imagery, another country, namely Israel, has helped us unconditionally in our time of need. The Chinese action in blocking the UN Resolution on Masood Azhar has to be seen in this light. Can Pakistan still prove to be a potent Chinese frontline weapon against India, now that India has crossed the Rubicon in terms of retaliation?
Incidentally, all of the information in this article is available on the internet and only requires the skill to join the dots.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Iqbal Chand Malhotra is an award-winning TV producer
Does this make any sense? Would like to hear from experienced people out here..
There is more to Balakot than the numbers
Iqbal Chand Malhotra
The BJP President Amit Shah may not have been far-off the mark when he claimed that 250 terrorists were killed during the Indian Air Force’s air strike on Balakot at around 3:30 am local time on February 26th, 2019. However, Shah would never be able to provide the evidence to back his claim. Revealing the evidence would violate the charter of ‘The MOU on Geosynchronous Earth Orbit and Low Earth Orbit Optical Link’ signed between Prime Ministers Modi and Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on July 5th, 2017 in New Delhi. This MoU permits Indian and Israeli satellites to ‘talk to each other’.
Let me explain further. EL/M-2070 Tec SAR, also known as Tech SAR, Polaris and Ofek-8, is an Israeli Reconnaissance Satellite equipped with synthetic aperture radar developed by Elta Systems. It was successfully launched on January 21st, 2008, by PSLV C-10, Launch Vehicle, from Sriharikota in India. This satellite is perhaps the world’s only satellite that is an indispensable system for military operations in the mountainous terrains of Central Asia that includes the Hindu Kush, Karakoram and Himalayan ranges. It is capable of imaging with a resolution of up to 10 centimeters, through an X-band radar system. The satellite’s maximum resolution is believed to be around 1 metre. Tec SAR’s was the first Israeli satellite to feature Synthetic Aperture Radar, or SAR, which provides images in day or night and under all-weather conditions.
Now, RISAT-2, or Radar Imaging Satellite 2, is an Indian Radar Reconnaissance Satellite that was built by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and successfully launched aboard a PSLV-CA rocket at 01:15 GMT on April 20th, 2009 from the second launchpad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre. RISAT-2’s main sensor is also an X-band synthetic aperture radar from IAI. It is designed to monitor India’s borders and is a part of anti-infiltration and anti-terrorist operations.
Here is a possible scenario of what happened over Balakot on the night of Feb 26th, 2019. The Israeli satellite Tec SAR was tasked to directly send images of heat signatures of the number of terrorists sleeping in their dormitories in the Balakot Camp to RISAT-2. This exchange took place in outer space. Mind you, the dormitories were located in two separate buildings that flanked the main structure. The main structure was of no strategic or tactical interest. Having confirmed that whatever number of terrorists were in the land of nod, RISAT-2 transmitted this information to the designated IAF Phalcon AWACS that was controlling this attack. All of this would have happened in under 15 minutes. The Phalcon then transmitted the go-ahead to the Flight Leader of the Mirage 2000s to launch their ordnance. While this was in progress, it is presumed because of the sensitivity involved in this virgin exercise, Site IV of the US National Command Authorities (NCA) Ground Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System (GEODSS) at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was also patched in. Diego Garcia in turn would be directly connected to the USAF Space Command Space Defence Centre (SPADOC) at the Cheyenne Mountain Complex. This in turn would have patched in the Pentagon.
The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data
THE QUESTION IS: were the Mirage 2000s using the Israeli SPICE 2000? While undoubtedly, the SPICE 2000 ‘operates on pre-recorded GPS coordinates’, and the weapon’s ‘advanced identification and processing abilities can reportedly help overcome jamming efforts’, the public announcement of its usage may have been a decoy. My guess is that the Mirage 2000 which fired the ordnance was armed with the Israeli Delilah Cruise Missile. Delilah is a cruise missile capable of deceiving even the much-vaunted Trumpf S-400 Russian air defence system and can loiter over a contested area before hitting the target. Delilah has a range of 250 km and can penetrate any air defence system. This is why the Pakistani air defences were clueless as to what was hurtling through the skies towards Balakot. SPICE 2000 is nowhere in the league of Delilah. The use of Delilah would have also rattled the Chinese as they use the S-400 system. We seem to have the weapon capable of overriding even the Chinese Air Defence shield at present, if we really do have Delilah?
But this is by no means the end of the story. A confused and perplexed Pakistani leadership was floored. Their reaction was knee -jerk. The very next day, on February 27th, 2019 an assorted flight of PAF aircraft attempted to invade Indian air space and launch ordnance against targets in Jammu & Kashmir. Why did they flee and why did their ordnance not reach the designated targets?
The PAF used H4 Stand Off Weapon (SOW) in this attack. It has a terminal guidance system based on an infrared homing seeker, which identifies the target during the final stage of flight. Designed to hit targets till 120 km, the bomb may have the capability to evade radar. This is based on technology copied from the South African T-Darter BVR missile and in this particular case was susceptible to being jammed by the IAF’s IR Jammers which disabled the H4, confusing the infrared seekers placed in the cone of the H4. Furthermore, it is my guess that the IAF Phalcon controlling this dogfight was armed with the Rafael Sky Shield EW pod which can protect an entire fighter formation. All the AMRAAM’s fired by the PAF F16s and similar Chinese missiles fired by the PAF JF-17s, were disabled and flew harmlessly by. The entire battle will have to be broken down and diagnosed to decipher how the missile that downed Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman’s MiG- 21 Bison was able to penetrate the Sky Shield. Thereafter, heavy pressure from all of its benefactors, excepting China, compelled Pakistan to return Varthaman.
Undoubtedly, India owes a debt to Israel. The Tec SAR, RISAT, Phalcon, SPICE, Delilah, Sky Shield and MiG 21 Bison are all Israeli products. Pakistan for the first time realised both the limitations of its own ability to ‘steal and copy’ and the effectiveness of Chinese technology, and so did their Chinese overlords. The US, Israel and India jointly collaborated for the first time in a real-time encounter against Chinese technology and these two encounters will provide a lot of data for all the participants to analyse and study. This may open up such cooperation with Japan as well.
For the Chinese, from their point of view, this was an unfair fight and they desperately needed to prop up the demoralised Pakistani morale. Both the Chinese and the Pakistanis have got to know how India feels as they are pitted against us in choreographed synchronicity. For the first time after 1971 when the Soviets helped us with satellite imagery, another country, namely Israel, has helped us unconditionally in our time of need. The Chinese action in blocking the UN Resolution on Masood Azhar has to be seen in this light. Can Pakistan still prove to be a potent Chinese frontline weapon against India, now that India has crossed the Rubicon in terms of retaliation?
Incidentally, all of the information in this article is available on the internet and only requires the skill to join the dots.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Iqbal Chand Malhotra is an award-winning TV producer
Does this make any sense? Would like to hear from experienced people out here..
Like I said
Again like I said:
Speaks our resident expert on military affairs.
Spat is when a discussion on facts is taking place. Not on frank imagination of someone.
Your post - again
Friend, have been observing your posts for sometime. A personal remark is applicable when you make not only half baked and irrelevant posts pertaining to the forces but further insist on pushing the same narrative. Personal remark on you? I think you seriously need to take a relook as to why a consistent observation about you exists across multiple forums. This is not the only forum where you have made remarks that are ill informed and frankly, indicative of your attempt to push forward a skewed narrative that flies in face of facts...
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