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We pay. We also pay Rs 10000 per year for a 256 kbps internet connection from BSNL. At that price, I can easily get 100 mbps, but no sir. Then politicians decry burgeoning defence expenditure.

Paying Rs 650 odd for an Enamel, ugly mug, when rs100 fetches good ones from Big Bazaar, just because made by OFB ... beats logic

Army Chief Not allowed change this basic things ?
 
Pls add 1971 to your contrived context. That would put things in perspective as far as the economy goes.

I wanted to add 1971 but only if India had plans to break Pakistan. If that's achieved then who cares about economy. If it ends up like Kargil then the issues are there. You can any time convince people in India if the army holds the territory.

Babus & politicos are the biggest shackles

military is no different because it's the Indian mentality and not babu fauji instinct.
 
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The squadron was operating out of Misamari at that time and the CO of the squadron was a classmate of Rakesh Roshan from Sainik School. No other helicopter had the kind of reserve of power like Cheetah and the civil pilots refused to do these stunts. It was than that Rakesh Roshan requested Army Hq and paid for the sorties of this helo.
 
This is VERY interesting. Could be a game changer in the regional dynamics​


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is interesting perspective coming from Taliban<br><br>Quote<br><br>We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan<br><br>Unquote<br><br>Says Taliban Envoy <a href="We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan, Says Taliban Envoy">We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan, Says Taliban Envoy</a></p>&mdash; gab.ai/TheCol🇮🇳 (@desertfox61I) <a href=" ">October 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
You don't need to embed tweet, just post tweet link and it is automatically embedded.

I won't think it as game changer, Taliban may change their stance towards India after recent power move of New Delhi scraping 370 which had effect in derailing Taliban deal otherwise they would be sitting in Kabul pratisthan Presidential palace by now.

Also Pakistan can't take care of itself, you can get away by just bombing when in trying to gain power once you are in power everything becomes your responsibility. Pakistan can help with bombs, not with naans for Afghans so doesn't matter how much Pakistan did for them when it will come to govern Afghanistan Taliban would need more donors and more allies.
 
Very interesting. I suppose given the uncertain times it shouldn't be surprising to see everybody hedging their bets, including the Taliban. If this is true then Pakistan doesn't have as much influence with the Taliban as they claim. This will screw up Pakistan's plans in Kashmir, assuming they actually expected the Talibs to fight in Kashmir. From India's POV nothing much changes. But it increasingly seems like Pakistanis are losing their "strategic depth" irrespective of however the Afghan war ends, if it ends at all.


Please. This is purely for the optics and "buying time". The economy of Afghanistan under a resurgent Taliban rule will be dominated by technical specialists of killing, torture and rape of those considered infidel. The core ideology that drives the Taliban is increasingly influenced by wahabism - gone are the days of the dominance of Deobandi/Barelvi school of thoughts. The latter themselves are increasingly aligning to the wahabi ideology. The only difference is the degree of absorption of the takfiri ideology that is allowed to display itself overtly.
 
Army hit by silent wall in LoC intelligence ops

There is concern in the highest levels of government over this silence especially because “we know that messages are being sent to militants in the Valley”, said a third official who also asked not to be named.

Updated: Oct 15, 2019 07:49 IST
By Harinder Baweja
Hindustan Times, Srinagar
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The army knows, through its sources in the Valley, that directions are being sent, but the Military Intelligence directorate has not yet been able to figure out if Pakistan-backed terror organisations have switched to a new system or just changed their frequency, the officials explained.(ANI File Photo)

The Indian Army’s monitors along the Line of Control with Pakistan have fallen silent for over two months now, affecting intelligence operations, senior officials aware of the development said.

The monitors fell silent soon after Article 370 was effectively revoked in Jammu & Kashmir on August 5. “The terrorists and their handlers have changed the frequency [they communicate on] and we have not been able to crack the new one,” one official said on the condition of anonymity. “We have been trying to intercept commands being sent to the Valley by terror organisations based there [in Pakistan] but have not been successful yet,’’ said another official who asked not to be named.

There is concern in the highest levels of government over this silence especially because “we know that messages are being sent to militants in the Valley”, said a third official who also asked not to be named.

The army knows, through its sources in the Valley, that directions are being sent, but the Military Intelligence directorate has not yet been able to figure out if Pakistan-backed terror organisations have switched to a new system or just changed their frequency, the officials explained.

According to intelligence garnered from on-ground sources in the Valley, the Lashkar-e-Taiba has been asked to target security forces and the Jaish-e-Mohammed led by Masood Azhar has been tasked to carry out bigger attacks. Jaish was behind the killing of 40 CRPF troopers this February. The best way to prevent terror attacks is through real-time intelligence, but the Army has for the first time been hit by a silent wall it is finding hard to penetrate.

All intelligence agencies operating in Kashmir suffered a setback due to the communications blackout. Post-paid mobile services were resumed in the Valley on Monday after 70 days, and agencies are hoping that this will help them re-establish contact with their sources. Up to 90% of intelligence received is through technical sourcing, the officials said.

The Army is therefore trying to crack the new frequency to get up-to-date with terror chatter.

Army hit by silent wall in LoC intelligence ops
 
I wouldn't read too much into it. The Indian Foreign Policy Establishment has a declared policy of not having any truck with any of these jihadi tanzeems. Observe Bangladesh. A few years ago, apparently the BNP wanted to patch up with India but we're told in no uncertain terms that as long as they were in a tie up with the Jamaat e Islami Bangladesh, nothing would be forthcoming from the Indian side. When the Jamaat reached out to India they were rebuffed.

Arguably Af Pak isn't Bangladesh. But the same principals apply. That's one of reasons why we aren't supporting the TTP in Pakistan.

If & when the Taliban seize power & establishes itself in Kabul, you can expect India to talk to it and maintain relations. Nothing else will happen. In any case, Taliban rule over Afghanistan, even if it were to establish a government in Kabul will be dependant on Pakistan & will be contested by the Northern Alliance and you can bet India would be backing them.

Having said that, This statement by the Taliban is welcome.
This spokesman is a Pakistan puppet... Especially the ones negotiating with the US, belong to ISI. Pakistan was counting on the presidential elections not taking place. Now, that it is certain that a new government with a fresh mandate will be in place, they are getting desperate( It does not matter, that polling was low... Just like selected PM Imran Khan is seen as the PM of Pakistan. The next President of Afghanistan will be seen as one by the international community)
India has been consistent that it will not engage the Taliban directly. And that the Taliban must engage the Afghan government. Now, the Taliban does not want to directly talk to the government... Things are getting interesting
 
Off topic, but a bit relevent.
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The squadron was operating out of Misamari at that time and the CO of the squadron was a classmate of Rakesh Roshan from Sainik School. No other helicopter had the kind of reserve of power like Cheetah and the civil pilots refused to do these stunts. It was than that Rakesh Roshan requested Army Hq and paid for the sorties of this helo.
That was damn close for Shahrukh...
 
This is VERY interesting. Could be a game changer in the regional dynamics​


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is interesting perspective coming from Taliban<br><br>Quote<br><br>We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan<br><br>Unquote<br><br>Says Taliban Envoy <a href="We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan, Says Taliban Envoy">We Have Nothing Against India and Need its Help to Reconstruct Afghanistan, Says Taliban Envoy</a></p>&mdash; gab.ai/TheCol🇮🇳 (@desertfox61I) <a href=" ">October 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
A kuffr’s money Has always been welcome . ....historically...

But a kuffr will only ever be a kuffr.
 
It's not tough to detect a drone , i can build a radar at home for such as an amateur, just requires few materials. Only the soldiers which come from villages are need to be taught how to operate on equipment other wise during my collage times school kids used to build drone locking system using VHF transmitters and receivers, so they used to come to us for guidance in design and cost for their projects.

Duniya bohot agey chali gayi hi. Raat ko a drone is easily visible in IR cam or highly sensitive motion sensors based on doppler shift and acoustics. They sense the roation of their rotory wings and picks up the distortion as a curve on the screen every 5 seconds.

India doesn't need to run to Israel or France for this to get detectors.

Rudimentary radars do detect any object from the size of a rain drop to big planes. Yes, it is not tough to detect a drone in a relatively small area, when we are talking about inhabited ans cultivated and cluttered environment such as Punjab and the borders is Hundreds of KMs long. It is impractical to have the entire area covered with multiple radars. If college made radars were that efficient in triangulation and engagement. Also note that all drones are not of the same type. if security establishment is purchasing it it will be effective against a whole range of systems. Engagement by ECM or physical contact is a matter of choice by the security agency. how ever it has to be cost effective too.

We might not need to go to Israel but the system isn't as simple as assembling it from spares from Lajpat Rai market in New Delhi.
 
Rudimentary radars do detect any object from the size of a rain drop to big planes. Yes, it is not tough to detect a drone in a relatively small area, when we are talking about inhabited ans cultivated and cluttered environment such as Punjab and the borders is Hundreds of KMs long. It is impractical to have the entire area covered with multiple radars. If college made radars were that efficient in triangulation and engagement. Also note that all drones are not of the same type. if security establishment is purchasing it it will be effective against a whole range of systems. Engagement by ECM or physical contact is a matter of choice by the security agency. how ever it has to be cost effective too.

We might not need to go to Israel but the system isn't as simple as assembling it from spares from Lajpat Rai market in New Delhi.


No you won't get the spares in Lajpat Nagar. But those who can build they know where to find.

College made radars are efficient if they have proper budget and systems at their disposal. It's the brain power I am talking about. It can be built by DRDO in a very low budget if they really want to.

Coming to having multiple radars at the border, yes I agree, well the systems which we have already deployed are still not manageable by the security forces, and they lack coordination and training to operate on complicated systems. We saw on 27th that radar controllers failed to identify the pattern of the strike package. Of course you can't have multiple radars at the border but there is no other choice even if you get the best stuff from outside you have to deploy it in series.

It's better to build at home and this can be done. From detection , triangulation to fire control everything. It's always about the budget where we lack and the people in military make it a quality issue even if it's the best.
 
No you won't get the spares in Lajpat Nagar. But those who can build they know where to find.

College made radars are efficient if they have proper budget and systems at their disposal. It's the brain power I am talking about. It can be built by DRDO in a very low budget if they really want to.

Not really. We have done similar projects. Brainpower isn't much of an issue to a BE/Tech in ECE. Also, DRDO has Counter drone solutions.

Coming to having multiple radars at the border, yes I agree, well the systems which we have already deployed are still not manageable by the security forces, and they lack coordination and training to operate on complicated systems. We saw on 27th that radar controllers failed to identify the pattern of the strike package. Of course you can't have multiple radars at the border but there is no other choice even if you get the best stuff from outside you have to deploy it in series.

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It's better to build at home and this can be done. From detection , triangulation to fire control everything. It's always about the budget where we lack and the people in military make it a quality issue even if it's the best.

As I said DRDO has them, mass production wont be an issue.
 
Not really. We have done similar projects. Brainpower isn't much of an issue to a BE/Tech in ECE. Also, DRDO has Counter drone solutions.



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As I said DRDO has them, mass production wont be an issue.


You are only quoting to make fun you did not understand my post.
if you have something to discuss then quote me

As I said DRDO has them, mass production wont be an issue.

DRDO will be challenged by Military to prove it's worth.

And yes there is no problem to build an array of such radars across border
 
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