Indian AESA Radar Developments

[randomradio]

But government put mr star in negative list , it means will not import it

But the government has put MF Star in the negative list, so we cannot import it.

That post is from 2018. But yes, there's a pretty good chance P-17B will carry a new radar.

The standard MF-STAR is now pretty old. And if we are to have a new radar, it's unclear if we will develop it in-house entirely or with foreign assistance. Our new L&T HPR is basically Israeli. So until it happens, we cannot be sure.

And don't go by the negative import list, that's only for the industry. If they fail to deliver, it will just be removed from the list. The list is subject to change. Then there's "conditions apply" too. For example, towed gun was part of the first list, but we have a competition with international vendors. So JVs are not subject to the list if indigenous content is 50% or 60% depending on the tender rules. The radar could go the same way. You can never tell.

 

[randomradio]

Maybe Ignorants can take a trip down memory lane.

The design will be finalized soon.

 

[randomradio]

The narrative was that Pak F16s would be shot down as soon as they took from Sargodha, etc. Post Ukraine that's gone.

Regardless of the fact that this is impossible due to issues with radar horizon or just the distance alone, Pakistan lacks the strategic depth that Ukraine has.

But the F-16 will still have to operate outside the SAM ring of the 40N6, at lower altitudes, which would give IAF jets an advantage.

If the S-400 forces the PAF to operate like Ukraine does, then it has achieved its primary task.

 

[sahil singh]

That post is from 2018. But yes, there's a pretty good chance P-17B will carry a new radar.

The standard MF-STAR is now pretty old. And if we are to have a new radar, it's unclear if we will develop it in-house entirely or with foreign assistance. Our new L&T HPR is basically Israeli. So until it happens, we cannot be sure.

And don't go by the negative import list, that's only for the industry. If they fail to deliver, it will just be removed from the list. The list is subject to change. Then there's "conditions apply" too. For example, towed gun was part of the first list, but we have a competition with international vendors. So JVs are not subject to the list if indigenous content is 50% or 60% depending on the tender rules. The radar could go the same way. You can never tell.

That post is from 2018. But yes, there's a pretty good chance P-17B will carry a new radar.

The standard MF-STAR is now pretty old. And if we are to have a new radar, it's unclear if we will develop it in-house entirely or with foreign assistance. Our new L&T HPR is basically Israeli. So until it happens, we cannot be sure.

And don't go by the negative import list, that's only for the industry. If they fail to deliver, it will just be removed from the list. The list is subject to change. Then there's "conditions apply" too. For example, towed gun was part of the first list, but we have a competition with international vendors. So JVs are not subject to the list if indigenous content is 50% or 60% depending on the tender rules. The radar could go the same way. You can never tell.

LRDE is also working on indigenous radar. Can it be integrated with Barak 8?

 

[Speedster1]

Regardless of the fact that this is impossible due to issues with radar horizon or just the distance alone, Pakistan lacks the strategic depth that Ukraine has.

But the F-16 will still have to operate outside the SAM ring of the 40N6, at lower altitudes, which would give IAF jets an advantage.

If the S-400 forces the PAF to operate like Ukraine does, then it has achieved its primary task.

Both countries are investing heavily in low-cost loitering munitions and swarm drones. These will be used to try and swamp S400/HQ-9P radar screens, making room for Wild Weasel jets or cruise missiles to sneak in.

Imo we need to focus more on low altitude AD to complement MRSAM/LRSAM/S400, specifically aerostat radars. Since DRDO closed the Nakshatra program years ago, there’s been no info on new developments on this front.

 

[randomradio]

LRDE is also working on indigenous radar. Can it be integrated with Barak 8?

We have control over the missile, so it can be integrated with any radar we want.

 

[randomradio]

Both countries are investing heavily in low-cost loitering munitions and swarm drones. These will be used to try and swamp S400/HQ-9P radar screens, making room for Wild Weasel jets or cruise missiles to sneak in.

Imo we need to focus more on low altitude AD to complement MRSAM/LRSAM/S400, specifically aerostat radars. Since DRDO closed the Nakshatra program years ago, there’s been no info on new developments on this front.

IAF's Sudarshan S-400s will be protected by L&T's Sudarshan CIWS.

And of course LLQRM class SAMs like the SPYDER and VL-SRSAM.

They have inducted a hard-kill anti-drone system as well. And there are also 2 DEW weapons in the process of induction, laser (2kW and 100-300 kW) and HPM.

So we are already covered on that front.

 

[Speedster1]

IAF's Sudarshan S-400s will be protected by L&T's Sudarshan CIWS.

And of course LLQRM class SAMs like the SPYDER and VL-SRSAM.

They have inducted a hard-kill anti-drone system as well. And there are also 2 DEW weapons in the process of induction, laser (2kW and 100-300 kW) and HPM.

So we are already covered on that front.

While they have/are buying tethered multicopter type drones (with EO/IR sensors) for early warning around bases etc, aerostat radar allows longer range detection of low RCS target against ground clutter. As of now, we only have a handful of Israeli ones acquired in the last decade iirc.

The other systems you mentioned will definitely give our LLAD more teeth.

 

[randomradio]

While they have/are buying tethered multicopter type drones (with EO/IR sensors) for early warning around bases etc, aerostat radar allows longer range detection of low RCS target against ground clutter. As of now, we only have a handful of Israeli ones acquired in the last decade iirc.

The other systems you mentioned will definitely give our LLAD more teeth.

The IAF has a program for low altitude truck-mounted aerostats.

 

[Ashwin]

Ashwini LLTR

 

[Fatalis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1870816374093975680

 

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1870816374093975680

https://twitter.com/x/status/1870852435654463621

 

[Speedster1]

750 km range is a big jump over the ~350km quoted for Fregat, a radar found on over a dozen IN surface ships (with more on the way)

However, the world has since moved on to longer range naval sensors like SPY-7 and Leonardo Kronos family boasting ranges of over 2K km. Hope
LRMFR with its 6m dia antenna can get us into the big league.

 

[mamiam23]

750 km range is a big jump over the ~350km quoted for Fregat, a radar found on over a dozen IN surface ships (with more on the way)

However, the world has since moved on to longer range naval sensors like SPY-7 and Leonardo Kronos family boasting ranges of over 2K km. Hope
LRMFR with its 6m dia antenna can get us into the big league.

Those are dual band radars, you can't magically expect S-Band to have that range. Those systems have separate L-Band radar which we are gonna fit on Nilgiri class, like the Indra Lanza.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Ah , so RST has to reach all the way back to 2018-19 to provide evidence that 1 of his many thousand predictions came true by culling tid bits of a conversation without providing the whole context just to score brownie points.

I never knew RST set so much stock in what I had to say . Sounds really flattering.

But the scoreline still reads PKS - 7-8/10 & RST - 0/10 . Still a week to go before YET ANOTHER year ends without any of RST's predictions having come to pass though , mind you , I'm still rooting for RST here.

ONLY 9 more days to go & just 1 prediction right will make that strike rate 100% which as of now is 0 , ZERO , NIL , SHUNYA , NADA , NYET & on & on .

 

[Speedster1]

Those are dual band radars, you can't magically expect S-Band to have that range. Those systems have separate L-Band radar which we are gonna fit on Nilgiri class, like the Indra Lanza.

In terms of sheer size, LRMFR is 4 times larger than MF-STAR. That alone should give us much greater range. Though I agree it won't match the range of an L-band radar. Lanza will provide stealth detection capability to the IN's frontline ships.

 

[Speedster1]

Speaking of L-band naval radars, other than Lanza, there was another AESA called RAWL-03 that BEL supposedly co-developed with SAAB. Wonder what happened to that? And then there's the solitary Selex RAT-31DL on the Vikrant, also L-band. So many different types and these are not tied to any specific weapon system either.

 

[Fatalis]

Speaking of L-band naval radars, other than Lanza, there was another AESA called RAWL-03 that BEL supposedly co-developed with SAAB. Wonder what happened to that? And then there's the solitary Selex RAT-31DL on the Vikrant, also L-band. So many different types and these are not tied to any specific weapon system either.

RAWL-03 was developed as an offering for corvette size vessels but MFR-X has taken its place now. May be they can work together. There is also another L-band ASR under development which will eventually replace Lanza LTR-25 radar.

 

[Speedster1]

RAWL-03 was developed as an offering for corvette size vessels but MFR-X has taken its place now. May be they can work together. There is also another L-band ASR under development which will eventually replace Lanza LTR-25 radar.

Given that radars and sensors typically make up the biggest cost component of warships, the lack of standardization is puzzling. I agree contract/induction timelines may be a factor but we already have a wide range of radars, from Isreali Elta (STAR/MF-STAR) to Russia (Fregat etc.). Fire control radars you can't do much about. But the ASRs surely can be standardized.