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Won't those facilities be available to them minus the gallantry awards? They can be declared KIA just as Sqdn Leader Kapoor was when he was assassinated in the line of duty by Yaseen Malik & his gang?

They died during the Presence of Enemy
And Ongoing Military Action

This is a way to Send a message to the
Entire Rank and file that the Helicopter Crew did NOT die in Vain

When they were Ordered to take off ,
And undertake a Sortie ; It was because of Ongoing Enemy Activity and Presence

So technically they died in a WAR
 
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Why no gallantry awards when our martyrs lose their lives in military accidents. Eg 12 crashes of IAF aircrafts this year , death of a soldier due to canon of T90 exploding. Etc etc etc etc.

Those are accidental deaths

There is NO Enemy Action or Enemy presence around

Gallantry is a FRAME OF MIND when there is Ongoing Enemy Action and every possibility of Being Killed
 
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They died during the Presence of Enemy
And Ongoing Military Action

This is a way to Send a message to the
Entire Rank and file that the Helicopter Crew did NOT die in Vain

When they were Ordered to take off ,
And undertake a Sortie ; It was because of Ongoing Enemy Activity and Presence

So technically they died in a WAR
I disagree. They can be entitled to the maximum benefits the IAF / MoD can grant them but not the gallantry awards.This is clearly an accident due to negligence in a war like scenario.

I believe @Falcon clearly indicated an all round failure from the Base Commander who didn't take all the facts into consideration before ordering the SAM to engage just as the pilot didn't switch on the IFF. I'm not sure what were the final findings of the CoI into the accidental crashing of the helo that day.
 
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I disagree. They can be entitled to the maximum benefits the IAF / MoD can grant them but not the gallantry awards.This is clearly an accident due to negligence in a war like scenario.

I believe @Falcon clearly indicated an all round failure from the Base Commander who didn't take all the facts into consideration before ordering the SAM to engage just as the pilot didn't switch on the IFF. I'm not sure what were the final findings of the CoI into the accidental crashing of the helo that day.

So If the Helicopter Pilot was SPECIFICALLY
Asked to keep IFF in a Switched OFF mode
How is it his fault

Maybe they expected an AMRAAM ATTACK
by F 16s

On that day it was also reported that An Indigo plane in flight near Srinagar had been locked on

And immediately Air Traffic was shut down in Punjab and Kashmir
 
Won't those facilities be available to them minus the gallantry awards? They can be declared KIA just as Sqdn Leader Kapoor was when he was assassinated in the line of duty by Yaseen Malik & his gang?
One has to be designated as a martyr by govt under certain criteria laid down by it. Every Martyr's family is entitled to such additinal grants and special privilages but medal winners get some additional benefits.
 
Why no gallantry awards when our martyrs lose their lives in military accidents. Eg 12 crashes of IAF aircrafts this year , death of a soldier due to canon of T90 exploding. Etc etc etc etc.

Because you already know the dangers beforehand for the above.

And the fratricide happened when there was no war declared.
Entire Rank and file that the Helicopter Crew did NOT die in Vain

They did die in vain, this is compensation for that.
 
Because you already know the dangers beforehand for the above.

And the fratricide happened when there was no war declared.


They did die in vain, this is compensation for that.

You do NOT have to declare a war to kill your Enemy.

Whatever has happened after Feb 26 has been done in a state of Undeclared war

But it has been EFFECTIVE Because it has
Cooled Down the Pakistani passions and shown them their place

The Helicopter Crew who sacrificed themselves , Kicked out the INERTIA
and led to a Thorough Reevaluation of the SOPs

If you fight a War after 48 years , Mistakes will happen
 
E.R. Sakthivel DFI (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
Chinese took the losing mig 1.44 stealth design from Soviet ,improvised it using Old AL series engines & gone fr serial production of #J20, warts & all ,

in the last ten years, while UPA era IAF top brass, vacilated fr the past 10 yrs on #StealthAMCA ASR until @manoharparrikar ( )


E.R. Sakthivel DFI (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
@vkthakur @IAF_MCC UPA ,"appointed" IAF top brass should share the blame for #StealthAMCA to be a ,"nebulous concept" fr the past 10 yrs.

Already 4 ,"nebulous ASR" Changes in the past ten years.
It took a sensible @manoharparrikar to give a definitive push resulting in present realistic ASR. ( )
Vijainder K Thakur (@vkthakur) Tweeted:
The @IAF_MCC order for 36 AMCA, which even after 10 years of 'development' remains a nebulous concept, comes through as a case of shooting oneself in the foot! IAF tells govt it is ready to buy 300 indigenous fighters and trainers ( )


E.R. Sakthivel DFI (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
@vkthakur @IAF_MCC Chinese took the losing mig 1.44 stealth design from Soviet ,improvised it using Old AL series engines & gone fr serial production of #J20, warts & all ,

in the last ten years, while UPA era IAF top brass, vacilated fr the past 10 yrs on #StealthAMCA ASR until @manoharparrikar ( )
 
E.R. Sakthivel Other Forum (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
Chinese took the losing mig 1.44 stealth design from Soviet ,improvised it using Old AL series engines & gone fr serial production of #J20, warts & all ,

in the last ten years, while UPA era IAF top brass, vacilated fr the past 10 yrs on #StealthAMCA ASR until @manoharparrikar ( )


E.R. Sakthivel Other Forum (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
@vkthakur @IAF_MCC UPA ,"appointed" IAF top brass should share the blame for #StealthAMCA to be a ,"nebulous concept" fr the past 10 yrs.

Already 4 ,"nebulous ASR" Changes in the past ten years.
It took a sensible @manoharparrikar to give a definitive push resulting in present realistic ASR. ( )
Vijainder K Thakur (@vkthakur) Tweeted:
The @IAF_MCC order for 36 AMCA, which even after 10 years of 'development' remains a nebulous concept, comes through as a case of shooting oneself in the foot! IAF tells govt it is ready to buy 300 indigenous fighters and trainers ( )


E.R. Sakthivel Other Forum (@sakthivel_cit93) Tweeted:
@vkthakur @IAF_MCC Chinese took the losing mig 1.44 stealth design from Soviet ,improvised it using Old AL series engines & gone fr serial production of #J20, warts & all ,

in the last ten years, while UPA era IAF top brass, vacilated fr the past 10 yrs on #StealthAMCA ASR until @manoharparrikar ( )

This guy doesn't seem to know anything. IAF's first AMCA specs were pretty generic and easy to achieve. Demands for both supercruise and stealth were not high. In fact, supercruise wasn't even part of the specs. It was ADA that insisted on achieving higher specs.

Also, IAF's order for 36 jets is extra over the original requirement of 150 jets. These 36 jets will come with first stage engines. So this shows how supportive the IAF is for the AMCA.

And no, the Chinese J-20 was merely inspired by the Mig 1.44, it is neither improvised nor is it a copy. Compared to the J-20, the Mig 1.44 is trash.
 
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This guy doesn't seem to know anything. IAF's first AMCA specs were pretty generic and easy to achieve. Demands for both supercruise and stealth were not high. In fact, supercruise wasn't even part of the specs. It was ADA that insisted on achieving higher specs.

Also, IAF's order for 36 jets is extra over the original requirement of 150 jets. These 36 jets will come with first stage engines. So this shows how supportive the IAF is for the AMCA.

And no, the Chinese J-20 was merely inspired by the Mig 1.44, it is neither improvised nor is it a copy. Compared to the J-20, the Mig 1.44 is trash.
Which guy are you referring to? Grp Capt Thakur or Sakthivel?
 
IAF tells govt it is ready to buy 300 indigenous fighters and trainers

After several time over-run, the HAL has delivered about a dozen aircraft and fallen behind the scheduled yearly production target. The IAF was forced to raise the first squadron of Tejas fighters with just three in 2016.

Updated: Nov 07, 2019 09:29 IST
By Sudhi Ranjan Sen.
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
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IAF has already bought 40 fighters of the initial version of Tejas.(Twitter @HAL_India Photo)

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has told the government that “it is committed” to buying nearly 300 indigenously made fighters and basic trainers from the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a senior defence ministry official said on condition of anonymity. The deal will likely cost the government several billion dollars.

IAF’s commitment , however, comes with a rider: designing, manufacturing and delivery will have to be within a prescribed deadline from the time the deal is inked, this person added. “Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and the HAL must get their act together,” the official said. ADA works under the Department of Defence Research and development of the ministry of defence and is tasked with overseeing India’s LCA (light combat aircraft) programme.

IAF has told the government that it is “committed to buying” another 10 Squadrons of Tejas Mark-II (each squadron has 16-18 fighters) and 36 Advance Medium Combat (AMCA) fighters. Besides the fighters, IAF has also told the government that it will buy newly made trainer aircraft HTTP-40
(LOL at that name :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:) as well. The decision to commit to buying indigenous fighters is the first major decision taken by Air Marshal RK Singh Bhadauria who took over as the Chief of Air Staff recently.

IAF has already bought 40 fighters of the initial version of Tejas. “The final contract for the purchase of 83 indigenously made Tejas Mark-1 fighters will be signed by the end of the current financial. Negotiations between the IAF and HAL is in the final stages,” a second official in the ministry of defence said.

After several time over-run, the HAL has delivered about a dozen aircraft and fallen behind the scheduled yearly production target. The IAF was forced to raise the first squadron of Tejas fighters with just three in 2016.

The designing for the AMCA, which will have stealth capabilities, and advanced radar and weapon packages, is in the nascent stage and will be India’s own next-generation fighter aircraft. The design of the Tejas Mark-II is in a very advanced stage and is likely to frozen yet soon,” the second official said. “The Indian private defence manufacturing sector should also try to exploit this opportunity along with the Defence Public Sector Units.”

IAF needs a minimum of 42 fighter squadrons to put up a credible deterrence along two borders simultaneously. It, currently has only 30 fighter squadrons. The decision to go with indigenously made fighters is a major leap of faith for IAF which has been accused in the past of preferring foreign-made fighters to indigenous technology.

“Production facilities of LCA, Tejas are being upgraded. As and when orders firmed up more effort will be made to ramp-up production,” a HAL spokesperson reacting to the rider of IAF.

IAF tells govt it is ready to buy 300 indigenous fighters and trainers
 
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IAF Aircraft Strength To Rise To 2000 Soon: Air Marshall RKS Shera

There will be a huge requirement of aircraft in the next 10 to 20 years in military aviation of the country, said Air Marshall RKS Shera, Air Officer Maintenance of the IAF.


Press Trust of India | Updated: November 16, 2019 01:37 IST
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Number is going to blow up from what we have today at 1,400, rise to 2,000 soon: Air Marshall RKS Shera(Pic : Airbus C295)

Kolkata: The number of military aircraft in the country will soon increase to 2,000 from the present 1,400, thus opening up more opportunities for the MSME sector in repair and overhaul, a senior IAF officer said on Friday.

There will be a huge requirement of aircraft in the next 10 to 20 years in military aviation of the country, said Air Marshall RKS Shera, Air Officer Maintenance of the IAF.

"The number is going to blow up from whatever we have today at 1,400, it will rise to 2,000 soon," he said at a programme.

The induction of medium transport aircraft Airbus C295, in the IAF will begin soon, he said adding that the force has already inducted Rafale fighter jets from Dassault Aviation of France.

Apart from these, a large number of unmanned aerial vehicles, drones and various other machines are to be acquired in the military sector, Air Marshall Shera, who heads the Maintenance Command of the IAF, said.

"The requirement of repair and overhaul of these aircraft and machines will go up and up," he said.

Air Marshall Shera said that to service and keep the machines airworthy, there is a huge opportunity for the Indian MSME sector in manufacturing of materials, tools and development of automated technologies.

"It is not only the number of aircraft. It is also the complex technologies that are going to come to our country for which we need the right kind of academia and the industry backup so that we become more self-reliant and indigenous," he said.

Air Marshall Shera said that the IAF always promotes indigenisation and self-reliance.

All the base repair depots (BRD) of the air force are self-reliant as far as repair and overhaul is concerned and get 90 per cent of requirement indigenously, he said.

"We procure 90 per cent of our spares requirement indigenously and all that happens through our tier-two and tier-three industry partners; that''s where we have a lot of scope for MSMEs," Air Marshall Shera said.

He further said, "We have a challenge in the Indian Air Force as we are operating a mix of our inventory and got legacy machines from 50 to 60 years old to state-of-the-art aircraft."

Air Marshall Shera said that the IAF operates from 1960's vintage Avro aircrafts to state-of-the-art C17s, C130J transporters and will soon have the C295 from Airbus.

With the huge array of aircraft of different vintage, there was also a large requirement of taking care of "our obsolescence", he said adding that the air force needs "industry partners to find good solutions to mitigate our obsolescence as far as our technological issues are concerned".

He said that the IAF brings together the academia, the R&D and the industry to find solutions to its requirements. In order to have skilled technicians and engineers in the aviation, the IAF is working with colleges of repute and has MoUs with IITs and the IISC, Bengaluru.

He said that the IAF advises the academia on the syllabus and ask them to tweak it as the air force realised that not much of military aviation was being taught in aeronautical engineering courses.

"In this area, we also find that there is a dearth of knowledge in the country," he said.

Air Marshall Shera also said that the IAF has recently started apprentice programme for ITI students at its BRDs for one or two year terms, adding that there was good response to it.

IAF Aircraft Strength To Rise To 2000 Soon: Air Marshall RKS Shera
 
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