Dear friends, tonight a few mins of silence to our fallen friend, ATAGS. RIP
You want IA to place orders for a howitzer under development, also which experienced barrel burst incident during developmental trial?
Will you invest in any failed systems if you are using by yourself or your near ones?
Last but not least,no one except ajai is reporting this.
Bursting of barrel is mostly because of expired warhead used by army, happenned to best of the bests and will keep happenning till expired warheads are used for testing. We have lost lives in such incidents many times which are tentamount to murder, who cares? You, me, common people, army, OFBs, DMO, PMO? Simply nobody!
The exact reason they yet to find out, if reports are true they did make some changes in the design and it needs further tests.
Have they found the exact reason in past incidents? Nobody cares if a armyman dies except ghariyali aansoo and dramabazzy. Saw the armory couple of month back. When that is the state in active war-zone, GOD help what is the state in testing ranges, if there is any GOD. Everybody is looking for their benefits, nobody has an iota of idea what is the current state of army or other wings and dreams are to touch the sky. Nobody is ready to pay the price including who has nothing to loose (we have such plentiful of people).
You expect republic and times now to report this?
ATAGS which experienced a barrel burst during development trials makes it a failed system?
What happens if the barrel bursts during the user trials, how is the failure mode different from development trials?
Why shoot the messenger, whether Ajai Shukla or anyone else is reporting it, why is the GoI backpedaling on its own decision about banning the import of Arty pieces. Was the MoD sleeping when PMO took such a decision?
Why is India buying GHN45 Derivative, when the IPR for GC45 series in the form of Bharat 52 is ready with an Indian Firm. The funniest conflict of interest here is with the Kalyani group.
Kalyani group makes the Bharat52 which is a development of the GHN45, Gerard Bull gun. ATHOS in turn is also developed from the GHN45 - 845/852 gun. And the twist in the case remains, that out of 1580guns ordered from Elbit, they will make 400 guns and the 1180 guns will be made by guess who, Kalyani group.
So Kalyani group who makes the up-gunned GHN45, as the Bharat 52, will continue to make an up-gunned GHN45 > version 852 under the name Athos. Now wonder why Bharat 52 is not in the contention.
What you are trying to convey? Soldier's life is not that much important and wr hsve to induct a faulty howitzer in order to satisfy in competent Desi industry? I cannot agree with tjat argument, let military choose what they want, we need to fight two enemies at same time.
Its failed during testing, as of now ATAGS is a howitzer under going development and during trial it failed.
Did it now? Are we sure it's not the Ammunition? Didn't the M777 have the exact same failure mode during user trials, how do you accept a product when it fails during user trials?
Even more surprising that, ATAGS suffers a Barrel burst and it's a failed product,
Dhanush Suffers Three (i.e. 300% more development trial failure in the same mode) but is in service?
Care to explain how?
Barrel burst sets back army’s advanced howitzer programme | Nagpur News - Times of India
Development of the advanced towed artillery gun systems (ATAGS) suffered a setback after barrel of one of the pieces undergoing trials burst during te
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
I am not trying to convey, I am SAYING it and you are not even reading it. Barrel burst due to expired warhead resulting in death of armed force personnel, you haven't heard about it? We, the bloated Indians, don't value even our neighbor life, forget about a armed force person far away. That 2 minute silence, guns salute bla bla bla goes out of the window well before even tears from wailing family member dries up. It's just entertainment of some sort for most of us, some hallow sorrowfulness.... Less said the better.
Do you even know how many IA soldiers were killed by the t72 and T90 125mm barrel bursts? The same T90 and T72 that the MoD relishes buying in bulk?
Those things were mature products, ATAGS is product under development which failed during developmental tests. Both scenarios are different.
No, Dhanush had exact same failure mode during development trials, which despite the failures still continued.
Irrespective that still doesn't explain why we are buying a GHN45 derivative from Israel when Bharat52 is exactly the same thing.