ATGS is constantly being trialled since 2017
man is this normal
I can count atleast 5-6 diff sets of trials
man is this normal
I can count atleast 5-6 diff sets of trials
I guess an american gun fired excalibur to 62 km beraking that record
Advanced artillery gun to be ready for user trial by September
TNN | Updated: Jun 13, 2019, 12:41 IST
Advanced artillery gun to be ready for user trial by September | Pune News - Times of India
TNN | Updated: Jun 13, 2019, 12:41 IST
Pune: India’s first fully integrated Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) will be ready for crucial user (army) trials by early September this year, a senior official of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) told TOI on Wednesday.
“A team of scientists from Pune-based Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) and army officers from the Corps of Artillery conducted a key user assistant technical trial (UATT) of the gun between May 20 and June 5 at the firing range of Pokhran in Rajasthan. The gun has achieved all desired results during the trial, which is why we are confident of giving the gun for the army’s trials,” the official added. The gun has achieved critical technical objectives such as accuracy, range, day, night firing and mobility.
“We have fired all types of ammunitions. The gun has hit a target at 45km distance. We have tested other technical parameters too,” said another senior official involved in the project.
The army and DRDO have already completed desert and high-altitude trials in Rajasthan and Sikkim in the last two years. “The gun has produced excellent results. Our endeavour is to induct the gun in the force by 2020,” added the official. The ATAGS is the first indigenous 155mm/52-calibre towed gun. It is one of the guns in the world having six-round ‘automated magazine’ that fires in 30 seconds.
The gun has all-electric drive, an advantage over traditional hydraulic drives, which are common in other towed guns. The electric drives of the ATAGS provides controls in handling ammunition, opening and closing breech mechanism and ramming the round into firing chamber,” said a scientist involved in the project. The existing 155/mm and 52 calibre guns have three-round magazines, which need to be reloaded manually.
During this exercise maximum burst takes place, which have often resulted in casualties, said defence sources
Advanced artillery gun to be ready for user trial by September | Pune News - Times of India
its meant to be used on plains and in desert so weight shouldn't be a problem right
That's known, but it doesn't mean that it will be at 18 tons too. It has to come down to something like 12-14 tons.
Kalyani Group likely to bag biggest chuck of orders for ATAGS Guns
Published July 5, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Four Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) are at the advanced stage of user-assisted trials of the gun and the Army has begun finalizing the Preliminary Specifications Qualitative Requirements (PSQR) of the 155mm, 52 caliber gun which will clear decks for production of 150 guns in the bulk production clearance order which will be split between Kalyani Group and Tata Power who have developed two guns each at the developmental stage.
The Estimated INR 36.65 billion (USD524 million) order will be won by the company depending on the performance of the gun and commercial bids and the lowest bidder who will be L1, will be awarded a contract to build 107 of the 150 ATAGSs while the runner-up will be allowed to manufacture the remaining 43 guns of the same model.
Kalyani Group developed ATAGS variant had briefly set a new world record in range by hitting targets at a distance of 48 km. TATA Power developed gun uses the same barrel manufactured by the Kalyani Group and the company already has invested in the production facility which will make them likely winner after commercial bids are opened.
Kalyani Group already has announced that it can manufacture nearly 250 ATAGS Guns at its facility per year and since Indian Army has requirement of nearly 2000 ATAGS guns over 800 Dhanush 155 mm x 45 calibre long-range artillery gun, both companies will be sharing a 30,000 crore in business for the production of the ATAGS eco-system, but also in process benefiting a large number of smaller private defense firms.
ATAGS gun currently weighs about 18 tonnes while the ideal weight for the army would be 14-15 tonne. It will all depend if the Indian Army’s PSQR has relaxed weight parameters and focuses on accuracy and firing parameters in user-assisted trials of the gun. ATAGS Guns has a large chamber of 25 litres when compared to 23 litres in most 155-millimeter guns in production world over. A larger chamber packs in the more higher explosive propellant, which shoots out the warhead further but to cater for this higher shock of firing, Gun needs to be heavier.
Kalyani Group has promised to look into weight issue if Indian Army insists on weight reduction and have already come up with plans to use of special alloys along with titanium components to further reduce the weight of the gun, but use of special metals will mean that it is likely to shoot up the unit cost of each gun further. Indian Army is yet to officially comment on the weight of the ATAGS Guns but it is likely will decide on it pretty soon most likely by end of this year.
Kalyani Group likely to bag biggest chuck of orders for ATAGS Guns Published July 5, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK **** .Rea Kalyani Group likely to bag biggest chuck of orders for ATAGS Guns – Indian Defence Research Wing .
Published July 5, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Four Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) are at the advanced stage of user-assisted trials of the gun and the Army has begun finalizing the Preliminary Specifications Qualitative Requirements (PSQR) of the 155mm, 52 caliber gun which will clear decks for production of 150 guns in the bulk production clearance order which will be split between Kalyani Group and Tata Power who have developed two guns each at the developmental stage.
The Estimated INR 36.65 billion (USD524 million) order will be won by the company depending on the performance of the gun and commercial bids and the lowest bidder who will be L1, will be awarded a contract to build 107 of the 150 ATAGSs while the runner-up will be allowed to manufacture the remaining 43 guns of the same model.
Kalyani Group developed ATAGS variant had briefly set a new world record in range by hitting targets at a distance of 48 km. TATA Power developed gun uses the same barrel manufactured by the Kalyani Group and the company already has invested in the production facility which will make them likely winner after commercial bids are opened.
Kalyani Group already has announced that it can manufacture nearly 250 ATAGS Guns at its facility per year and since Indian Army has requirement of nearly 2000 ATAGS guns over 800 Dhanush 155 mm x 45 calibre long-range artillery gun, both companies will be sharing a 30,000 crore in business for the production of the ATAGS eco-system, but also in process benefiting a large number of smaller private defense firms.
ATAGS gun currently weighs about 18 tonnes while the ideal weight for the army would be 14-15 tonne. It will all depend if the Indian Army’s PSQR has relaxed weight parameters and focuses on accuracy and firing parameters in user-assisted trials of the gun. ATAGS Guns has a large chamber of 25 litres when compared to 23 litres in most 155-millimeter guns in production world over. A larger chamber packs in the more higher explosive propellant, which shoots out the warhead further but to cater for this higher shock of firing, Gun needs to be heavier.
Kalyani Group has promised to look into weight issue if Indian Army insists on weight reduction and have already come up with plans to use of special alloys along with titanium components to further reduce the weight of the gun, but use of special metals will mean that it is likely to shoot up the unit cost of each gun further. Indian Army is yet to officially comment on the weight of the ATAGS Guns but it is likely will decide on it pretty soon most likely by end of this year.
Kalyani Group likely to bag biggest chuck of orders for ATAGS Guns Published July 5, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK **** .Rea Kalyani Group likely to bag biggest chuck of orders for ATAGS Guns – Indian Defence Research Wing .
Artillery gun next trials in September
Vimal Bhatia | TNN | Updated: Jul 5, 2019, 18:23 IST
JAISALMER: Bharat Forge CEO Rajinder Singh Bhatia has said the next phase of trials of the country’s first fully integrated Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) will be held in September, before the artillery gun is inducted into the army next year.
Bharat Forge, part of the Kalyani Group – A $3 billion conglomerate with 10,000 global work force — is manufacturing the ATAGS, the first indigenously built 155 mm/52-calibre towed gun and one of the few in the world that has the six-round automated magazine that fires in 30 seconds.
The existing 155 mm/52-calibre guns have three round magazines which need to be reloaded manually, often resulting in casualties during the exercises due to maximum burst.
During an exclusive interview with the TOI, Bhatia said the gun would strengthen the army’s firepower manifold. Bhatia said the User Assistant Technical Trial (UATT) of ATAGS had been completed in Pokhran field firing range in Jaisalmer and the next phase is scheduled in September.
Bhatia claimed that ATAGS had an electronic system in place instead of hydraulics. Earlier, during summers and winters, the hydraulic system used to often get jammed. Bhatia said the company had also manufactured an ultra-light gun which could be taken to mountains without much effort. He added that the gun at 4.7 tons was much lighter than the American 777 howitzer which weighed 6.7 tons. He added that the gun was accurate and easy to handle. “Trials had been done earlier and it can be taken anywhere by a helicopter in two parts,” he said.
On the 105mm-37caliber 900kg Garuda gun, Bhatia said it contained a lot of features and could be towed by any 4x4 vehicle. He added the army had already carried out trials and many countries had shown interest in it. Currently, its trials are going on in the United States, he said.
The Bharat Forge CEO said new technologies had been developed to make the defence sector self-dependent. Along with guns, the company had manufactured gas turbines, transmission lines and armed vehicles, which till now had to be imported.
Artillery gun next trials in September | Jaipur News - Times of India
Vimal Bhatia | TNN | Updated: Jul 5, 2019, 18:23 IST
JAISALMER: Bharat Forge CEO Rajinder Singh Bhatia has said the next phase of trials of the country’s first fully integrated Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) will be held in September, before the artillery gun is inducted into the army next year.
Bharat Forge, part of the Kalyani Group – A $3 billion conglomerate with 10,000 global work force — is manufacturing the ATAGS, the first indigenously built 155 mm/52-calibre towed gun and one of the few in the world that has the six-round automated magazine that fires in 30 seconds.
The existing 155 mm/52-calibre guns have three round magazines which need to be reloaded manually, often resulting in casualties during the exercises due to maximum burst.
During an exclusive interview with the TOI, Bhatia said the gun would strengthen the army’s firepower manifold. Bhatia said the User Assistant Technical Trial (UATT) of ATAGS had been completed in Pokhran field firing range in Jaisalmer and the next phase is scheduled in September.
Bhatia claimed that ATAGS had an electronic system in place instead of hydraulics. Earlier, during summers and winters, the hydraulic system used to often get jammed. Bhatia said the company had also manufactured an ultra-light gun which could be taken to mountains without much effort. He added that the gun at 4.7 tons was much lighter than the American 777 howitzer which weighed 6.7 tons. He added that the gun was accurate and easy to handle. “Trials had been done earlier and it can be taken anywhere by a helicopter in two parts,” he said.
On the 105mm-37caliber 900kg Garuda gun, Bhatia said it contained a lot of features and could be towed by any 4x4 vehicle. He added the army had already carried out trials and many countries had shown interest in it. Currently, its trials are going on in the United States, he said.
The Bharat Forge CEO said new technologies had been developed to make the defence sector self-dependent. Along with guns, the company had manufactured gas turbines, transmission lines and armed vehicles, which till now had to be imported.
Artillery gun next trials in September | Jaipur News - Times of India
Indian Army to buy American howitzer ammo for long-range accurate strikes
Looks like Delhi is serious this time about maintaining an edge in artillery warfare along the LoC and potentially the LAC. Some benefits of engaging in prolonged gun/artillery battle with the Pakistanis along the LoC, this time they didn't wait for a chronically long period to evaluate needs and act accordingly. The speed of acquisition remains a suspect though.
It seems the Army is increasingly turning to precision artillery(both rockets and tube arty) for operations of the present and of future. Here is a RFI issued some time back asking for trajectory correctable fuze kits for 155mm tube arty of 39, 45, 52 calibres, it also inquires about trajectory correctable fuzes for 122/ 214/ 300 mm rockets.
Make in India
And now we are acquiring the American Excalibur rounds :
They also have a Naval version of the Excalibur round developed for the BAE Mark 45 Mod 4 gun. The same gun that the Navy's upcoming Vizag class destroyers will use. Its very likely that we will acquire them in the future :
Make in India
And now we are acquiring the American Excalibur rounds :
They also have a Naval version of the Excalibur round developed for the BAE Mark 45 Mod 4 gun. The same gun that the Navy's upcoming Vizag class destroyers will use. Its very likely that we will acquire them in the future :
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials
Published July 15, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology for US Army
A 155 mm, 39 calibre, all-steel ULH has been mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck and will be ready to be offered to Indian Army for experimental trials soon said a reliable industrial source close to ****. The idea was first mooted by Army chief, General Bipin Rawat when he had met Baba Kalyani on a visit to Kalyani Group facility where he was shown three ultralight howitzers.
Kalyani Group in last Defence Expo 2018 had showcased a Light Truck-mounted Advance Hybrid recoil version of the ULH 155/39 which weighed only 4.5 tonnes but Rawat suggested the development of 6.8 tonnes All Steel ULH mounted on a Medium class Ashok Leyland Stallion 4×4 Truck which was a cheaper alternative without a drop in performance in mountain terrain.
According to serving Army officials close to ****, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he(Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain .
As explained to **** by the serving Army officials, traditional towed howitzers face difficulties while towing over rough, uneven terrain and are also limited by the speed of under 30km in hard surface, which is further reduced at Mountain terrain road which can take up a lot of time in case of redeployment but a truck-mounted howitzers such as ULH can maintain a decent speed of nearly 60km in hard surface and half of that in patchy Mountain terrain roads.
**** has been informed that Ashok Leyland Stallion based ULH will be experimental in nature with non-committal order for any further procurement by the Indian army, but Kalayni group will be compensated for their product by the Indian Army. Truck-mounted weapon systems like ULH and Dhanush 52 howitzers leave a considerable amount of strain on the chassis of the vehicle upon which they are mounted and often lead to accuracy issues which also raises safety concern issues of the crew which needs to address if such issues do crop up and also important are other factors like time to engage targets and reposition of the vehicle which can only can be recorded by extensive trials carried over months and years on the platform in different terrain before further improvements can be suggested and accepted for bulk induction.
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials – Indian Defence Research Wing
Published July 15, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology for US Army
A 155 mm, 39 calibre, all-steel ULH has been mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck and will be ready to be offered to Indian Army for experimental trials soon said a reliable industrial source close to ****. The idea was first mooted by Army chief, General Bipin Rawat when he had met Baba Kalyani on a visit to Kalyani Group facility where he was shown three ultralight howitzers.
Kalyani Group in last Defence Expo 2018 had showcased a Light Truck-mounted Advance Hybrid recoil version of the ULH 155/39 which weighed only 4.5 tonnes but Rawat suggested the development of 6.8 tonnes All Steel ULH mounted on a Medium class Ashok Leyland Stallion 4×4 Truck which was a cheaper alternative without a drop in performance in mountain terrain.
According to serving Army officials close to ****, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he(Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain .
As explained to **** by the serving Army officials, traditional towed howitzers face difficulties while towing over rough, uneven terrain and are also limited by the speed of under 30km in hard surface, which is further reduced at Mountain terrain road which can take up a lot of time in case of redeployment but a truck-mounted howitzers such as ULH can maintain a decent speed of nearly 60km in hard surface and half of that in patchy Mountain terrain roads.
**** has been informed that Ashok Leyland Stallion based ULH will be experimental in nature with non-committal order for any further procurement by the Indian army, but Kalayni group will be compensated for their product by the Indian Army. Truck-mounted weapon systems like ULH and Dhanush 52 howitzers leave a considerable amount of strain on the chassis of the vehicle upon which they are mounted and often lead to accuracy issues which also raises safety concern issues of the crew which needs to address if such issues do crop up and also important are other factors like time to engage targets and reposition of the vehicle which can only can be recorded by extensive trials carried over months and years on the platform in different terrain before further improvements can be suggested and accepted for bulk induction.
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials – Indian Defence Research Wing
but it'll be another few tears before any solid orders. I'm pretty sure it'll pass trials (eg. ATGS)Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials
Published July 15, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology for US Army
A 155 mm, 39 calibre, all-steel ULH has been mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck and will be ready to be offered to Indian Army for experimental trials soon said a reliable industrial source close to ****. The idea was first mooted by Army chief, General Bipin Rawat when he had met Baba Kalyani on a visit to Kalyani Group facility where he was shown three ultralight howitzers.
Kalyani Group in last Defence Expo 2018 had showcased a Light Truck-mounted Advance Hybrid recoil version of the ULH 155/39 which weighed only 4.5 tonnes but Rawat suggested the development of 6.8 tonnes All Steel ULH mounted on a Medium class Ashok Leyland Stallion 4×4 Truck which was a cheaper alternative without a drop in performance in mountain terrain.
According to serving Army officials close to ****, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he(Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain .
As explained to **** by the serving Army officials, traditional towed howitzers face difficulties while towing over rough, uneven terrain and are also limited by the speed of under 30km in hard surface, which is further reduced at Mountain terrain road which can take up a lot of time in case of redeployment but a truck-mounted howitzers such as ULH can maintain a decent speed of nearly 60km in hard surface and half of that in patchy Mountain terrain roads.
**** has been informed that Ashok Leyland Stallion based ULH will be experimental in nature with non-committal order for any further procurement by the Indian army, but Kalayni group will be compensated for their product by the Indian Army. Truck-mounted weapon systems like ULH and Dhanush 52 howitzers leave a considerable amount of strain on the chassis of the vehicle upon which they are mounted and often lead to accuracy issues which also raises safety concern issues of the crew which needs to address if such issues do crop up and also important are other factors like time to engage targets and reposition of the vehicle which can only can be recorded by extensive trials carried over months and years on the platform in different terrain before further improvements can be suggested and accepted for bulk induction.
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials – Indian Defence Research Wing
any idea if it detachable from the truck?? it would be cool and can be easily lifted by helos, even many can come under c 17Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials
Published July 15, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: **** NEWS NETWORK
Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology for US Army
A 155 mm, 39 calibre, all-steel ULH has been mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck and will be ready to be offered to Indian Army for experimental trials soon said a reliable industrial source close to ****. The idea was first mooted by Army chief, General Bipin Rawat when he had met Baba Kalyani on a visit to Kalyani Group facility where he was shown three ultralight howitzers.
Kalyani Group in last Defence Expo 2018 had showcased a Light Truck-mounted Advance Hybrid recoil version of the ULH 155/39 which weighed only 4.5 tonnes but Rawat suggested the development of 6.8 tonnes All Steel ULH mounted on a Medium class Ashok Leyland Stallion 4×4 Truck which was a cheaper alternative without a drop in performance in mountain terrain.
According to serving Army officials close to ****, Army chief, General Bipin Rawat is aware of US Army experimenting with the use of low-recoil 155mm howitzer on FMTV truck chassis using the Mandus Group developed 155mm Soft Recoil Howitzer technology who accidentally are also technical partners for the Kalyani Group in development of the ULH program back home and he(Rawat) considers it a way forward approach to have a combination of speedily mobility and firepower at the mountain terrain .
As explained to **** by the serving Army officials, traditional towed howitzers face difficulties while towing over rough, uneven terrain and are also limited by the speed of under 30km in hard surface, which is further reduced at Mountain terrain road which can take up a lot of time in case of redeployment but a truck-mounted howitzers such as ULH can maintain a decent speed of nearly 60km in hard surface and half of that in patchy Mountain terrain roads.
**** has been informed that Ashok Leyland Stallion based ULH will be experimental in nature with non-committal order for any further procurement by the Indian army, but Kalayni group will be compensated for their product by the Indian Army. Truck-mounted weapon systems like ULH and Dhanush 52 howitzers leave a considerable amount of strain on the chassis of the vehicle upon which they are mounted and often lead to accuracy issues which also raises safety concern issues of the crew which needs to address if such issues do crop up and also important are other factors like time to engage targets and reposition of the vehicle which can only can be recorded by extensive trials carried over months and years on the platform in different terrain before further improvements can be suggested and accepted for bulk induction.
Brain Child of Rawat-Kalyani Truck Mounted ULH is ready for trials – Indian Defence Research Wing
Well Kalyani said that the whole system would weigh 4.5-4.8 tons depending on the version of the system.
Kalyani Group launches futuristic Artillery Guns
As such the whole system should be airlift-able by Mi-17 V5, CH-47 Chinook helicopters. The use of something as big as a C-17 belies the whole point of a ULH. C-17s are slow, need runways to land and would be a waste of resources if used.
As for detachablity, all modern artillery systems are designed to be modular to ensure easier maintenance. I am sure it has the same.
I am not sure, but they have 2 versions.
One is having a all steel construction, having weight of 7 tons combat. Other one has titanium and other smaller weight reduction methods used to get 5 tons combat weight in the prototype.
A C130 can transport 2 M777, and each Chinook can then help forward deploy to any valley between the Mountains as per requirements.
We have requirements of over 800 , 155/39 ultra light category Mountain Artillery.
M777 is expensive. I expect another batch of 75 maybe. Then if Kalyani proves its metal, a minimum order of 500 guns for them.
Oh come on, you really expect this to happen ? 500 guns from an Indian defence manufacturer ? I'll believe it when they order the ATAGS or the Dhanush in large quantities.
12 ton combat ready weight
And 60km firing range is the target of DRDO and Army.
And its about 1500 Towed artillery pieces, 1200+ (wheeled/truck mounted) artillery pieces.
And the main competitor is OFB with Dhanush 52 caliber gun.
Lets see how things progress.
The Maximum achieved range is 48.07 km with HE-base bleed ammo. At higher altitudes, like our border with China and northern border Pakistan, it can probably shoot 50 km+ on account of reduced air density.
How are they going to achieve 60 km range ? Some other kind of ammo ?
Also, what is the current weight ? 18 tons was reported a few years back, since there there has been many weight cutting measures adopted. We can probably get to ~15 tons, although 12 tons seems like a bridge too far.