Indian Military UAV Procurement Programs : General Discussions

In the IAf chiefs presentation it was mentioned IAF will procure ( aka possibly committed to procure ) 127 Tapas, Archer & Ghatak . This number was mentioned but there was no split that I could find.
IAF will also get 10 MQ9 (possible 10-10-10 split of the 30 to be procured deal maybe?) .

Edit: Found it.


As per this, ghatak ucavs are definitely pretty far away timescale wise so no numbers are committed, not surprising. Archer/tapas are more ready for a recon role. No word on armament which possibly took a backburner. Would love to just arm with loitering ammo & drop bomb initially to just prove it functions & test in LOC recon.
You should stop taking words of twitter accounts to the heart. IAF will have a single squadron of Tapas (10-12) and no commitment yet to "Archer".

It's not even clear if services ever asked for this "Archer" version either.

For the foreseeable future IN and IAF will be dependent on Israeli UAVs. Hopes project cheetah is signed soon.
 
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You should stop taking words of twitter accounts to the heart. IAF will have a single squadron of Tapas (10-12) and no commitment yet to "Archer".

It's not even clear if services ever asked for this "Archer" version either.

For the foreseeable future IN and IAF will be dependent on Israeli UAVs. Hopes project cheetah is signed soon.

It was actually from the same presentation before. IAF presentation specifically mentioned 127 indigenous MALE class drones planned & tri services (Navy) made case for HALE drones (likely the MQ-9 as no mention of indigenous).
Specific mention of ucav development ongoing. I also think Archer version might not be true. Only one MALE class indigenous platform will likely be procured and likely IAF see recon role & need for arming this drone comes later should IAF need it.

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It was actually from the same presentation before. IAF presentation specifically mentioned 127 indigenous MALE class drones planned & tri services (Navy) made case for HALE drones (likely the MQ-9 as no mention of indigenous).
Specific mention of ucav development ongoing. I also think Archer version might not be true. Only one MALE class indigenous platform will likely be procured and likely IAF see recon role & need for arming this drone comes later should IAF need it.

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After 5 years of flight testing user trial is yet to start for Tapas. This could probably well be Israeli system assembled by adani.
 
IAF's 'Project Cheetah' for weaponising Israeli drones to be awarded to Indian firms under Make in India route

Heron drones to be upgraded to strike capability, surveillance & recon pods and sat nev control system

 
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IAF's 'Project Cheetah' for weaponising Israeli drones to be awarded to Indian firms under Make in India route

Heron drones to be upgraded to strike capability, surveillance & recon pods and sat nev control system

Six year old program. Yet to reach a final decision. Pathetic state of Indian defence procurement.
 
Yeah that has been ongoing for some time. Out of the three services its the IAF that are hugely foreign import oriented & still refusing to buy into domestic developed product base switch. I get the part that their lives are hugely dependent during battle so they only want the best option available anywhere. But this blatant refusal to even push for some competent level of indigenisation is extremely irritating. Navy services do the best, now Army buying into this vision. But IAF still locked into a battle with the Government & hugely influenced by import lobby. No wonder Army forces regard them as just support force & not a separate armed forces service rather a step child. Since the Pakistani incident IAF got a large foreign import dose that has only increased their greed for it.
 
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India has negotiated for local assembly of the world’s most advanced High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) combat and reconnaissance drone, the American MQ9B Sea/Sky Guardian Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA). These are more capable follow-ons of the iconic Predator.

“Through assertive negotiations, instant acquisition proposal has been leveraged for assembly of at least 60 % of the quantity of aircraft proposed for procurement in India,” Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar told Businessworld in an exclusive interview.

A Tri-services case for the procurement of 30 MQ9B from the US under the Government-to-Government Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route is under process.

Initially estimated at $3 Billion, the deal will also involve “collaboration with DRDO for transfer of certain niche technology required for indigenous D&D of HALE RPAS in India,” Admiral Hari Kumar disclosed to Businessworld.

“Setting up of a Performance Based Depot Level Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO), Sea Guardian Global Sustainment Support (SGSS)” would be part of the programme, the Chief of the Indian Navy stated.

“These enabling agreements along with the procurement case would make India a Drone Hub as envisioned by Hon’ble PM,” Admiral Hari Kumar added.

Earlier, he had said that a discussion was underway amongst the three services on “whether the (procurement) numbers need to be rationalized”.

When it matures, the MQ9B deal will be one of the defining symbols of India-US military cooperation. It will also mark the first assembly of the iconic combat and surveillance drone outside of the US.

“The MQ-9B is designed to fly over the horizon via SATCOM for up to 40 hours in all types of weather and safely integrate into civil airspace, enabling joint forces and civil authorities to deliver real-time situational awareness anywhere in the world—day or night,” it is stated by General Atomics, the manufacturer, which terms these as “the next generation of RPAS, delivering persistent intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) around the globe”. It can fly at altitudes of up to 50,000 feet.

While ISR is its bread and butter, it is the combat capability, over-the-horizon targeting, anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, defensive counter-air, airborne early warning and electronic warfare features which give it the edge.

The MQ9B features nine hardpoints with a maximum external payload capacity of 2155 kg. “This enables armed forces and governments to easily integrate sovereign payloads and mission systems for their own uniquely tailored solutions,” General Atomics states.

Admiral Hari Kumar recently acknowledged that the Indian Navy found the experience of taking two MQ9As on lease from the US of “great value”, expressing confidence that these RPAs would “provide great value to all three services”.

Recently, these leased drones completed 10,000 flight hours in support of Indian security missions. This was achieved in two years.

“To put this into perspective, 11 P8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft of the Indian Navy were able to fly 29,000 flight hours in 9 years while 2 MQ9A logged 10,000 flight hours in just 2 years. This is the true measure of a long endurance UAV: Persistent surveillance. Imagine what a fleet of about 10 MQ9Bs could do in exercising constant vigilance,” an observer pointed out. The original proposal envisaged an equal three-way split of the 30 HALE RPAs to be procured amongst the services.
 
See Tapas is in the category of Heron MK2 and Predator is in the category of Heron TP.

Both shouldn't be compared.

By mid of 2023 user trials should begin for Tapas. For it to go into production, we will need to wait for 2025.

Predator B imports of few units can come immediately by 2023 end.
I am not comparing by spec, just their fate. If tapas program had got 50% funding of the predator program and maybe a more dedicated result oriented team who knows we might have made it here.
 
I am not comparing by spec, just their fate. If tapas program had got 50% funding of the predator program and maybe a more dedicated result oriented team who knows we might have made it here.
If we need a gun to take care of possible issues with China, a gun will be arranged for. It may be from Austria or Czech Republic or USA or Israel or DRDO.

We have large concentrations of PLA forces along our very long LAC.

If DRDO succeeds, well and good. If not, by 2023 end we are gonna have Desi alternatives of TAPAS.
 
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