Possibly for TARA-250 or a similar system loading, might even be NASM-MR which also comes under RCI (besides the R series)
Do we have a 2D image, diagram or CAD of bottom view of Astr-3 SFDR?
Do all 3 variants 1,2,3 have same length & diameter?
Do all 3 variants 1,2,3 have same length & diameter?
DSJ is currently offline so can not cite some of the papers. There is one here
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/165f/842755214cf8e68ee0dc80251635ffeac652.pdf
What is DSJ?
The 1st PDF mentions the dimensions of test article, it is 1066 mm length.
Defence journals Publications | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India
yes it is likely the test proto config in the TD stage.
AFAIK, Astra-1 has 178mm diameter of missile body, Astra-2 has 178/190mm(forebody/midbody girth) and Astra-3 has 178/200mm. Length is the same for all the three missiles at 3.84m.
When Astr-3 SFDR is being developed with 350Km range then Astr-2 with 160 Km range & Astr-1 with 110 Km range don't have any future for our jets, may be for export.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Nah mate! Astra-3 is going to be more heavy(220kgs vs 170/175kgs of Astra-1/2) and too expensive(because of SFDR tech), to be our primary BVR.
Astra-2 is going to be our primary BVR and it's actually Astra-1 that's under threat from it. But large number of Astra-1s are also required to build up our domestic BVR supply chain. So all three have their place in our arsenal.
Let's imagine ourselves in the cockpit. Jets & weapons are costly but pilot's life & freedom are priceless.
Both sides of border are getting AESA radar, AWACS, countermeasures & can see each other. Now life & death would depend on who shoots 1st, evasion tactics & effectiveness of countermeasures. Longer range = bigger NEZ & higher cost gives certain advantage also, Ramjet gives sustained speed. So just 50Kg increase in AAM's weight could save our lives, or in the last few seconds while RWR ringing watching our family pic we could think "Oh! I wish if i had 50Kg heavier AAM".
Param Veer Chakra would be credited on our name. 
You need a little more study. One option does not invalidate the others. In warfare, its always about more options.
Oh bro, i can't do all the study hence i asked what you guys think. So tell us what you think.
I already mentioned 1 option is export. But if i were a pilot or DoD engineer, i would always prefer the SFDR when we're making it.
So i would like to know how Astr-1 or Astr-2 would be advantageous over Astr-3 in WAR.
And which 4gen or 5gen jet would have the advantage of using them?
If a pilot can survice to fight another day then Param Veer Chakr is not required.
For a start its not about the max range engagement at all, hence my missile can go longer distance is not the factor. There are very few actual bvr engagement situation in practical world during peacetime and even during war. If a pilot lobs a high cost missile every time without showing genuine reason chances are that the pilot won't be given a mission later.Oh bro, i can't do all the study hence i asked what you guys think. So tell us what you think.
I already mentioned 1 option is export. But if i were a pilot or DoD engineer, i would always prefer the SFDR when we're making it.
So i would like to know how Astr-1 or Astr-2 would be advantageous over Astr-3 in WAR.
And which 4gen or 5gen jet would have the advantage of using them?
If a pilot can survice to fight another day then Param Veer Chakr is not required.
Your reply is inadequate. It would be more convincing if you explained why to carry 2 different range BVR-AAMs.
> 1st of all, let's not talk about peace time.
> I'm not talking about carrying AWACs killer big heavy AAMs with regular BVR-AAMs.
> You're talking about only a costlier AAM but not about saving much much costlier jet & priceless life of pilot, but rather questioning the pilot. The pilot's jet has already been loaded with the high cost missile & now you are assuming that he/she would be silly, naive to use it & will be questioned later???????????? That's very insensitive. Keep yourself in place of pilot.
> During war, nobody can predict how many BVR & WVR engagements will take place, be it historical wars like in Gulf, etc or currently in Ukraine.
From 1-2 jets skirmish to big battle invloving 10/20/30 or more jets are planned & practiced.
> The pilots before take-off are briefed, their S.O.P. is clear. Before launching they could be in real-time touch with their commanders. In last few seconds also if the enemy retreats then a launch could be called off.
> Like in any Air Force, there is a mix of newer gen jets coming in & older gen jets retiring in future, similarly with AAMs also. Once a newer AAM is inducted, the older AAMs cannot be just dismantled immediately, hence that's at least 1 reason we see mix of AAMs. Below is 1 example of mixing 112Kg 80Km MICA & 190Kg 200Km Meteor.
I understand that 80 Km would suffice for non-combatant targets like tanker, cargo, C4ISTAR jets, but i'm talking against enemy fighters.
> The situation has changed today with new AAMs like Meteor, AIM-260 JATM, R-37, PL-15, PL-21.
> If we talk about 4gen then it is easier to mix the AAMs but in 5gen the IWB is designed keeping in mind certain weapons. And later some future weapons are designed as per the IWB.
Which is why I said that you need to do more study on the related topic, both on the missile design for this type as well as aircraft engagement tactics etc. One size fits all philosophy is completely useless in warfare. Once you learn more on development aspect, you will also grasp the practicality part, as well as why and where other factors like cost, training , maintenance, storage shelf life etc also play part.
I'm not research fellow, this is not University forum. I'm here for time pass after office & family chores.If i have to do the serious study & understand myself then i'll join institutions & thinktanks like CAPS (Center for Air Power Studies), IDSA (Institute for Defence Studies & Analysis), CENJOWS (CENter for JOint Warfare Studies), Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, etc. Then i'll open my own website, channel, etc.
Being a techie i can understand that 1 size doesn't fit all in weapons & other aspects like cost, training, mintenance, storage, shelf life.
But if i or anybody misses a piece of puzzle & you know it then talk to the point & fill in the blanks rather than small small useless replies.
> In a capitalist world, cost of everything always increases with time. I already said that there is overlap mix b/w newer & older weapons. we can't just throw old ones & replace allwith latest costlier ones.
> If 1 AAM out of 2 or 3 available types has less shelf life or costlier (cost also depends on shelf life) then you can use it less but there are global ISO standards & some specific military standards to manufacture, maintain & store them. But if this AAM is the best one then during war time against a potent enemy fighter it has to be used. But i guess people like you wanna question the pilot over it. "Pilot error" is a very favorite politics for some people.
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MBDA Meteor - 190 Kg, 3.65m/12'/144" long, 178mm dia., range 200Km, max speed M-4+
Vs
DRDO Astr-3 SFDR, 220 Kg, 3.84m/12'6"/150" long, 200mm dia., range 340Km @ 20Km alt.
Just 6"(4%) increased length but 70% increased range, how??
Is there a newer version of Meteor AAM?
I resized the pics as per the dimensions:
Vs
DRDO Astr-3 SFDR, 220 Kg, 3.84m/12'6"/150" long, 200mm dia., range 340Km @ 20Km alt.
Just 6"(4%) increased length but 70% increased range, how??
Is there a newer version of Meteor AAM?
I resized the pics as per the dimensions:
Meteor max range is 200+ km. Actual number is classified.MBDA Meteor - 190 Kg, 3.65m/12'/144" long, 178mm dia., range 200Km, max speed M-4+
Vs
DRDO Astr-3 SFDR, 220 Kg, 3.84m/12'6"/150" long, 200mm dia., range 340Km @ 20Km alt.
Just 6"(4%) increased length but 70% increased range, how??
Is there a newer version of Meteor AAM?
I resized the pics as per the dimensions:
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SFDR test successful , I guess they made the hgv properly this time, very critical item and probably imported before from the Swiss.
Final experimental test of Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet SFDR propulsion based missile system successful. Indigenously developed by DRDO, the tech will propel India to develop long range air-to-air missiles. Flawless mission indicates the system is ready for integration.
Final experimental test of Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet SFDR propulsion based missile system successful. Indigenously developed by DRDO, the tech will propel India to develop long range air-to-air missiles. Flawless mission indicates the system is ready for integration.
