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DRDO’s supersonic missile ready for IAF fighters

NEW DELHI: India’s first indigenous beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) for fighters, Astra, is now finally ready for induction after 15 tortuous years of development, with the DRDO expecting the IAF to initially order at least 200 missiles for its Sukhoi-30MKI jets.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation is also already working to increase Astra’s strike range from the existing 110-km to over 160-km. “Astra is one of the best BVRAAMs in the world today. We have the capability to develop it for longer ranges,” said DRDO chief Dr G Satheesh Reddy, talking to TOI.

India has joined a handful of countries like US, Russia, France and Israel in developing such advanced air combat missiles that can destroy highly-agile enemy supersonic fighters packed with “counter-measures’’ at long ranges, say officials.

The importance of having deadly air-to-air missiles was underscored during the skirmish between Indian and Pakistani fighters along the Line of Control on February 27, a day after IAF jets bombed the JeM facility at Balakot.

The sleek 3.57-metre long Astra, with a mass weight of 154-kg, flies over four times the speed of sound at Mach 4.5. To be produced by defence PSU Bharat Dynamics for about Rs 7-8 crore per unit, Astra will be a much cheaper indigenous alternative to some of the expensive Russian, French and Israeli BVRAAMs currently imported to arm IAF fighters.

After the Russian-origin Sukhois, the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft will also be equipped with the all-weather Astra. The missile, which is capable of handling multi-target scenarios, has “state-of-the-art ECCM (electronic counter-counter measures) to tackle jamming by hostile aircraft, active radar terminal guidance and “highly accurate complex end-game algorithms for high single-shot kill probability” in both head-on and tail-chase modes.

The DRDO is all gung-ho after it conducted five successful trials of the Astra from Sukhoi fighters against Jet Banshee target aircraft or UAVs, simulating all possible threat scenarios, off the Chandipur coast in Odisha last week.

“The targets were hit at distances of 80 to 86-km with pinpoint accuracy. The technologies developed under the programme will be the building blocks for developing future variants of air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles,” said an official.

India may have developed long-range nuclear missiles like the Agni-V, which has a strike range over 5,000-km, but had faltered in building BVRAAMs till now. Astra suffered from several technical glitches like a defective aerodynamic configuration since the missile project was first sanctioned in March 2004 at an initial cost of Rs 955 crore.

15 years on, DRDO’s supersonic missile ready for IAF fighters | India News - Times of India
 
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Can someone elobrate air to air missile development programs going on under drdo currently.
https://****/iaf-to-place-fresh-orders-for-200-astra-air-to-air-missile-for-su-30-fleet/
DRDO working on increasing Astra range from 110 km to 160 km. Perhaps booster used in BARAK ER may be used for the purpose. I think a time line of 6 month to 1 year, 2 to 3 developmental trial and 5 to 10 user trial will be sufficient and early to mid 2020 may be induction period. Work done on BARAK ER or Isreal input from Derby IR may be involved. All is my imagination. Can someone can give more authentic answer.
 
NEW DELHI: India’s first indigenous beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) for fighters, Astra, is now finally ready for induction after 15 tortuous years of development, with the DRDO expecting the IAF to initially order at least 200 missiles for its Sukhoi-30MKI jets.
The requirement is there for 2000+. Yet again, not enough appreciation and faith from IAF.

Can someone elobrate air to air missile development programs going on under drdo currently.
Astra-mk1 Entering production and Astra mk2 under development. Nothing else.

Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet (SFDR) is a propulsion TD program, not a missile. Yet to start a missile program based on it.

IAF to place fresh orders for 200 Astra air-to-air missile for Su-30 fleet – Indian Defence Research Wing

DO not go by this publication. They take the actual news and add some masala in it. Very unreliable.
 
Astra Mark 2 will feature both Rail and Ejector Launch capability : Former Air Marshal Sinha

Air Marshal SBP Sinha (retd), who headed Rafale negotiations from Indian side said, recently made an interesting revelation while speaking to a Defence Journal that the upcoming improved version of the Astra Mark 2 missile is already in development and will have a head-on range of more than 110+ km and also will have ejector launch method which was not seen in Astra Mark 1 program.

Astra Mark 1 uses the rail launched method when launched from mother aircraft towards its target. In the ejector launch method, the weapons system is physically ejected away from the aircraft, ensuring that it is clear of the aerodynamic flow around the aircraft before motor ignition.

Rail launched method is most commonly used the method when air to air missile is fired towards its target but in many high g turns while performing excessive maneuvering there is a tendency for the missile to become jammed in the rail but the development of Ejector Launch capability for upcoming Astra Mark 2 most likely is to do with 5th generation AMCA fighter jet which will have Internal weapons bay and will use an Ejector Launch mechanism for launching air to air missile when in Stealth mode.

While DRDO is tight lipped about its Astra Mark 2 program it is expected to come with a dual pulse rocket motor with a software-defined Active radar seeker to achieve extended range.

Astra Mark 2 will feature both Rail and Ejector Launch capability : Former Air Marshal Sinha – Indian Defence Research Wing
 
Astra Mark 2 will feature both Rail and Ejector Launch capability : Former Air Marshal Sinha

Air Marshal SBP Sinha (retd), who headed Rafale negotiations from Indian side said, recently made an interesting revelation while speaking to a Defence Journal that the upcoming improved version of the Astra Mark 2 missile is already in development and will have a head-on range of more than 110+ km and also will have ejector launch method which was not seen in Astra Mark 1 program.

Astra Mark 1 uses the rail launched method when launched from mother aircraft towards its target. In the ejector launch method, the weapons system is physically ejected away from the aircraft, ensuring that it is clear of the aerodynamic flow around the aircraft before motor ignition.

Rail launched method is most commonly used the method when air to air missile is fired towards its target but in many high g turns while performing excessive maneuvering there is a tendency for the missile to become jammed in the rail but the development of Ejector Launch capability for upcoming Astra Mark 2 most likely is to do with 5th generation AMCA fighter jet which will have Internal weapons bay and will use an Ejector Launch mechanism for launching air to air missile when in Stealth mode.

While DRDO is tight lipped about its Astra Mark 2 program it is expected to come with a dual pulse rocket motor with a software-defined Active radar seeker to achieve extended range.

Astra Mark 2 will feature both Rail and Ejector Launch capability : Former Air Marshal Sinha – Indian Defence Research Wing
Sir I guess developmental tests with in 6 months.
However, I know, you will reject this.
 
Sir I guess developmental tests with in 6 months.
However, I know, you will reject this.
Who knows, they might have ground engine fire by 6 months. Let's not get our hopes up too much though. Delays are a common feature of DRDO projects.

They have been running simulations on the airframe and engine for ages now :
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Defence Acquisition Council Chaired by Raksha Mantri gives a big impetus to indigenous industry
Posted On: 21 OCT 2019 7:41PM by PIB Delhi

  1. The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh, met today and accorded approval for Capital Procurement for the Defence forces amounting over Rs. 3300 crores of indigenously designed and developed equipment.
  2. Maintaining its impetus on the ‘Make in India’ initiative, the DAC accorded approval for three projects to be indigenously designed, developed and manufactured by the Indian industry. The first two projects include third generation Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGM) and the Auxiliary Power Units (APUs) for the T-72 and T-90 Tanks. While the third generation ATGM would provide ‘Fire and Forget’ and “Top Attack” capabilities to the troops in an armoured battle, the APUs would enable incorporation of various upgrades to Fire Control System and Night Fighting capabilities of the Tanks. Both these projects will be progressed under the ‘Make-II’ Category and will provide a boost to indigenous research and development in the Private Sector. With this, for the first time the Ministry of Defence has offered complex Military equipment to be designed, developed and manufactured by the Indian private industry.
  3. The third indigenous project pertains to discrete Electronic Warfare (EW) systems for the mountain and High Altitude terrain, which would be designed and developed by DRDO and manufactured by design cum production partner from the Indian industry.
MPATGM ? :unsure:
 
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Nag / prospina ATGM

Note the word " armoured battle " in the press release

Most probably VEM will do the manufacturing not BDL since they are involved with AMOGHA 3 .
A PSU handing over production to a smallish private company. Its unheard of.:eek:

Nag/Prospina/helina/Asibal/MPATGM all are variants of each other. Having a production line for one of them will do wonders for the future prospects for all the others. I hope VEM can make it work.
 
No that's a 1000lb thermobaric bomb on mig27

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And it has been developed by drdo ( which i forgot to add )
A PSU handing over production to a smallish private company. Its unheard of.:eek:

Nag/Prospina/helina/Asibal/MPATGM all are variants of each other. Having a production line for one of them will do wonders for the future prospects for all the others. I hope VEM can make it work.

Quality not quantity is the hallmark of any company except for certain PSUs and all OFBs.

VEM has its fingers in many weapon systems under production or in development.

Eg the NG-LGB is mostly their product , i posted the pic in D F I sometime back.

Also if i am correct they will be the ones to co develop the rocket artillery system for mountains.
 
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Also there seems to be a preliminary feasibility investigation into the use of SAAW in ground to ground mode

Most probably use a booster stage addon to the SAAW to launch it into the desired range and altitude whereby the booster will seperate and the SAAW will fly on to it desired target.
 
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Nag / prospina ATGM

Note the word " armoured battle " in the press release

Most probably VEM will do the manufacturing not BDL since they are involved with AMOGHA 3 .
PR specifies it's under a Make-II project.

Make-II (Industry Funded): Projects under 'Make-II' category will involve prototype development of equipment/ system/ platform or their upgrades or their sub-systems/ sub-assembly/assemblies/ components, primarily for import substitution/innovative solutions, for which no Government funding will be provided for prototype development purposes.

Here are all the ongoing projects : Make In India Defence Production: Projects | GoI

Here is the spec of ATGM project

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Which perfectly fits DRDO project MPATGM

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It also specifies as a private sector project. That means it could be from VEM Technologies who is a partner for the project. (Their version of MPATGM renamed as AsiBal.)

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Which begs the question why go through Make-II route when you already have a fully MoD funded program.
 
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And it has been developed by drdo ( which i forgot to add )


Quality not quantity is the hallmark of any company except for certain PSUs and all OFBs.

VEM has its fingers in many weapon systems under production or in development.

Eg the NG-LGB is mostly their product , i posted the pic in D F I sometime back.

Also if i am correct they will be the ones to co develop the rocket artillery system for mountains.

I wasn't doubting their quality of work. I was wondering how come there has been no union politics/dharna type drama for this yet. Too early maybe.
 
Model of an unknown missile which i believe is the XRSAM

Launcher is 6 celled on a 6x6 trailer

I am guessing surface to air missile due to the presence of long chord wings ( which is used to implement high maneuverability ) and immediately followed by folding short fins as control surfaces for additional maneuverability / controllability , interestingly a large section of the immediate rear section is bare of any control surfaces. Quite intriguing design.

Also I don't think it is the AD series interceptors due to the obvious aerodynamic design configuration. Hence the only possible option remaining IMO is the XRSAM.

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