It won't be Barak 8 ER as the Barak 8 family of missiles can only reach a max speed of Mach 2 which is too less.
Damn. I'mma go cry then
Remember my long "fight" with @Ashutosh on the VC-11184 thread ? It will be like that again.
Didn't Barak-8 Er have a range of just 150 kms. XR SAM has more than twice that range.
On a side note that booster has some very elaborate fins and presumably TVCs too. Probably out of the AADs.
Can that missile scale to the XRSAM range and performance?
Unrelated though, for a moment i thought Pulse Det Engine got out of R&D - concept stage to something concrete.
Scale as in just increase the length and no change in design ? Scaling up a missile to increase its performance works with in a certain limit. Beyond that limit it becomes drastically inefficient & impractical product. If the Barak-8 ER was scaled up we could possibly get around 180-190 km at the very best, but we can't take it to around 350-360 km without changing the design.
DRDL has a few working prototypes of it. We don't know if it will be used for the Astra Mk-2 or if we will continue with the dual pulse motor.
The blue coloured rear section of XRSAM booster is using modified AAD rear section along with the close coupled moving fins and TVC vanes, not present in barak 8 ER
I was thinking this to be XRSAM
Launcher is 6 celled.
Presence of long chord wings ( which is used to implement high maneuverability ) and immediately followed by folding short fins as control surfaces for additional maneuverability / controllability , interestingly a large section of the immediate rear section is bare of any control surfaces. Quite intriguing design.
Now since it is not XRSAM which missile is this damm
Is it the land version of the naval Air defense missile using hot launch
Presence of plume deflector in the pics indicates that it would require hot launch facilities for naval version
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Only difference is duel pulse motor. how long and heavier can it be?. Lets take example of NGARM which is already tested and has a duel pulse motor. Its on the same airframe design as Astra. Maybe a bit longer.
NGARM-Gif GIF | Gfycat
Nothing is too big to engage a fighter. Look at what we are getting from Russia.
Akash NG maybe.
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Akash ng fins are located mid body unless they moved it to fore section for XRSAM.
Astra mk2 and akash ng use same propulsion dual pulse motor
Only fin configuration different other than avionics / lrus
Some photos related to the Fin Stabilized Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot(FSAPDS) round development in India :
FEM of the FSAPDS round in action :
FEM of the FSAPDS round in action :
We have developed quite a few rounds in this category :
125mm APFSDS Mk1 for T-72 :
120mm APFSDS Mk1 :
125mm Mk-2 :
This article from 2013 is an excellent read on the history of development of these rounds : Perspective: Indian Tank Ammunition Scenario -KE Penetrators
Nothing of this sort exists in public knowledge.
Of course, it cannot be identical when it claims a 100+ Km additional range. But there is a significant resemblance.
If this is an entirely new missile. Then, the missile without booster will be another MR SAM with 100+ km range.
Looks like MSM has picked up the news of XR SAM. The only new information is this line :
Source : DRDO reveals 350km XRSAM missile details | Hyderabad News - Times of India
Looking at how quickly QRSAM came about, 3 years doesn't look impossible. Wasn't there a ASTRA based VL-SAM for the Navy wonder what happened to that ?
Oh and @hellbent
If the DRDO Annual paper was right about the SMART having a 50-650 km range(I thought it was a typo) and if you think the recently revealed STAR is a variant of the LRCM, what are the chances the SMART will be Shyena torpedo mounted on the STAR ? The LRCM was stated to have 600+ km range and the SMART is also stated to have similar ranges. Also if the STAR is Surface to Air Target, I wonder if it can be used as a SAM. There are many advantages to having one common airframe of multiple roles, especially for the navy.
Source : DRDO reveals 350km XRSAM missile details | Hyderabad News - Times of India
Looking at how quickly QRSAM came about, 3 years doesn't look impossible. Wasn't there a ASTRA based VL-SAM for the Navy wonder what happened to that ?
Oh and @hellbent
If the DRDO Annual paper was right about the SMART having a 50-650 km range(I thought it was a typo) and if you think the recently revealed STAR is a variant of the LRCM, what are the chances the SMART will be Shyena torpedo mounted on the STAR ? The LRCM was stated to have 600+ km range and the SMART is also stated to have similar ranges. Also if the STAR is Surface to Air Target, I wonder if it can be used as a SAM. There are many advantages to having one common airframe of multiple roles, especially for the navy.
In df.i drdo thread i posted info navy SRSAM = VLSAM astra plus repeat of 50-650 km range of smart in latest MoD release. Can't be a mistake now .
In smart Torpedo carried will be a lightweight torpedo so only option tal and there is a upgrade program going on.
I don't know if smart is based on star , so all options open , i feel at supersonic speeds there will be need of a nose mounted retro braking thrusters to reduce Speed of missile for safe ejection of torpedo.
If star can be employed as Sam i cant say , there are many factors which decides feasibility
Looks like somebody picked up on our conversation : SMART Torpedo: India’s Next Big thing after BrahMos AshM in Naval Warfare – Indian Defence Research Wing
@Ashwin OSINT is such a flourishing business in India right now. We should start our own section for rumour mil. Who knows it might be very profitable.
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Looks like somebody picked up on our conversation : SMART Torpedo: India’s Next Big thing after BrahMos AshM in Naval Warfare – Indian Defence Research Wing
@Ashwin OSINT is such a flourishing business in India right now. We should start our own section for rumour mil. Who knows it might be very profitable.
@_Anonymous_ @randomradio can be our star writers. I'll let you watermark the photos. What say ?
Does.this.also mean that we can soon have
A Long Range Cruise Missile , 600 km range
For Land Targets
Yes. Though for land targets Nirbhay might be preferable.
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@Ashwin OSINT is such a flourishing business in India right now. We should start our own section for rumour mil. Who knows it might be very profitable.
@_Anonymous_ @randomradio can be our star writers. I'll let you watermark the photos. What say ?