No, but let's be serious: have you seen the "equipment" used by the Americans?
Such a runway Dassault can build it in a two-week period by modifying an airport runway where it is doing tests.
Such a runway Dassault can build it in a two-week period by modifying an airport runway where it is doing tests.
You are just helping my case. Then why not demonstrate it. If IN is actually serious then get it to Goa. Rafale M with an extra weight of 500kg don't have any advantage over SH.No, but let's be serious: have you seen the "equipment" used by the Americans?
Such a runway Dassault can build it in a two-week period by modifying an airport runway where it is doing tests.
We don't even have visuals of Mig-29K with equipment taking off from Vikky. Does that mean that they don't?
You have a strange logic, I told you at the beginning of our conversation that it doesn't prove anything, and you would like us to be clowns like the Americans just because it's easy to do?
Similarly your argument at the beginning was that we lacked the necessary infrastructure and that we made a virtue out of a deficiency and now that I have shown how slight the deficiency was you are forgetting the virtue.
So I'll tell you why that doesn't prove anything.
- we know nothing about the weight of the plane and any fighter can take off from a ski jump if it is light enough.
- we don't know how long the runway is before the ski jump and again we can get the result with any plane if the runway is long enough.
It does prove Boeing is ahead in the race to fill the requirement. Which coincides with the recent rumour of possible lease of SH.
Who are 'we' here ? Certainly not IN. They know what they want and that they will measure in all the conditions necessary. If they want to they will be bringing the aircraft to SBTF, goa.
As I said above, Just because there is no press release photo with load out doesn't mean they didn't do it.
Who should be more confident? The one with simulation result or the one with both simulation and actual test?
The tests done by SH F-18 were froma 12* ramp which lower than 14.3* of Vikky and 14* of IAC-1. The tests were also done by a by an unmodified F-18. The data was than extra/interpolated for the upgraded F-18 with 116KN engines and it has been concluded that with higher power, F-18 can operate with full load from from both the carriers. It has no limitaion on landing as we allow upto -4g deceleration in arrested recovery. Generally we prefer -2.5g. F-18 with 91 m arrestor wire payout available on Vikky is good enough to land with good bring back load within -2.5g decelaration. It also has no visibility problem due to 20* SB wings. You all know who is the source of this data. The Horse's mouth.
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Beware, American contradictions and women remain the last 2 great mysteries of the universe....
Let me solve the Mystery.
The heaven is- Amercan Salary, British House and Indian wife.
The hell is- American wife. British food and Indian salary
What sort of logic is this? If you want to sell something you need to prove its capability and compatibility of that platform with User's requirements. Here IN is the user, they wanna operate an aircraft from an AC with skie jumo configuration. Rafale needs to prove that capability with IN & requirements if you want to sell Rafale-M to IN.
I said earlier also,We all needs to learn the professionalism from yankees.
Just for my curiosity
1) what all are the weapon packages we are getting along with SH? Is aim269 & AGM158 anti ship and its long ranged land attack variant is on offer?
2) IF IAF didn't ordered f18sh and only IN has brought these birds, wheather they IN will get Growlers?
We need to wait for the details of the complete package to emerge. But AFAIK, everything which can be carried by SH is on offer.
Yes, and doing a test at home, with a plane that doesn't carry any load, on a ski jump that doesn't have the right inclination, without knowing the length of the runway and moreover with engines that are not those of the proposal, doesn't prove anything. There are only clowns to do that.
With a test of such poor quality, which is not conclusive, Boeing is also obliged to use simulation to calculate the performance of the F-18 SH.
Atleast they are trying,they have plans for upgraded engine also. And in which world ,which country will tests a new capability with full weapon load. Did Rafale fly it's first development flight with full weapon configuration?
Common man,don't ridicule Yankees for trying hard for winning the small contract from IN,the 36 number is a peanut for Boeing,yet they are doing this. Rafale is a wonderful aircraft, you could have win the IN contract if you have shown some enthusiasm.
You must remember few years back how Airbus lost almost certain follow on orders for A380 from fly Emirates, their over confidence costs that. Same is situation is happening with Dassault too.
We will never show enthusiasm if we don't really have enthusiasm. Dassault has agreed to sell its military aircraft for export but that's only the cherry on the cake, military production is above all made for France, which pays for everything. So there is no risk with this production and it is above all France and not Dassault that is interested in selling for export.
Then stop mocking on some one is really trying hard to sell its products to India.
U still didn't answer me on my query, what was the weapon configuration for Rafale's very first development flight.
I do what I want and if someone has actions that are laughable I make fun of them. In our country we don't accept censorship.
Its defense forum, respect the decorum. Here we are coming for constructive discussions, technical discussions etc. Nobody is interested some sort of mockery from any one, especially a highly technical sound person like you.
Last not least, french are not that much open hearted. We all saw how a french president reacts to erdogan's personal troll on him recently.
I have technical reasons to make fun of Americans.
Erdogan, one of these days he is going to get a correction, and it may be Macron, or Greeks with the French support who will give it to him.
He needs to be thrown out, no doubt on that. Even an assassination also ok, lets c french are capable to do that.