Indian supersonic missile reached Mian Channu in Pakistan : ISPR

[Saaho]

The point is that it is unpredictable; it has become unpredictable. Now they have to decide if there is a nuclear warhead on that missile or not. They have to decide and react.

It was and has always been unpredictable. This one just adds more doubt and makes Pakistan's work harder. Good thing is time to react is small so most likely they will know that missile has hit and this is the damage before going for a reaction. Bad thing is time to react is low so they may react massively even on a false alarm.

Hopefully a hotline always exists and remains manned to avoid any misunderstanding. I think there is one.

 

[Saaho]

It isn't about 6 to 7 minutes. Once they learn that something is coming their way, they may go into response mode. How does it matter if their launch takes place eight minutes after detection of our missile, rather than 4?

Because they will know the reality of the missile. If it were a conventional or a blank, they will likely not use nuclear bomb. Assuming they want to live. A Launch on Launch kind of response that existed between russia and usa will not happen here because simply there is no time to launch while other missile has not yet landed.. They will have more information to make a bigger decision.

But then since there is no time, there is no time to re-verify any kind of reading. So, chances of errors are also high. You may see a civilian airlines getting shot down just because Pakistani or Indian air defence thought something looked like a supersonic missile.

 

[Saaho]

Consipiracy theory :

Assuming Pakistan will buy more chinese radars now, how likely it is that China will put a backdoor in those systems to give false alerts on command? I mean if China wants India to be nuked, why do it yourself? Give Pakistan Missile, nuke and Radar. When you want to nuke, sabotage hotline and show multiple Pakistan bound missiles on Pakistani air defence and detection systems. Pakistani will go ape and might just end up launching few nukes on India. India goes ape next and launches nukes on Pakistan. Hilarity ensues and continues except for Indians and Pakistani, who are now suffering worst kind of horrors that humanity has ever seen.

Heck after this accident, It may just show missiles moving in a direction parallel to Pakistan border and then make a sudden turn towards Pakistan after allowing 10 minutes to Pakistan to process the bad news. The moment news gets worse for Pakistan, it may just go ape!

Basically a cyber attack to destroy India via Pakistan. We know China likes to infiltrate using supply chains... so why not do so when you are supplying entire weapon and communication system...

 

[nair]

How are conspiracy theories going?

 

[hellbent]

Someone said multiple target coordinates are preprogrammed on the missile

Afaik they are not ( way points are different things ) , multiple target coordinates are kept on the FCS which contains the mission planning suite , the selected coordinates are feed into missile together with reference data from launcher INS req to sync the missile INS and also set the true north , if launch relocates by 1 m and INS not synced again accuracy will suffer ( single target coordinates can be preprogrammed but still INS sync will be required before launch )

I don't think missile can be fired accidentally

FCS won't allow it

Automated pre launch checks needs human intervention though minimal , won't release missile for launch unless every parameters meets along with the necessary human inputs

Afaik target coordinates upload to missile need accompanying go codes ( authentication ) , higher echelons authorise targets ( even among the pre-selected ones ) not the fellows associated with launch ( though SOP exist for emergencies )

Launch switch enabled afaik after 2 key authentication at 2 different consoles post successful completion of the automated pre launch tests

Plus self destruct mechanism on missile auto arms ~ 1 minutes post launch and starts listening for self destruct signal , the self destruct switch is also enabled simultaneously which if required can be pressed to destroy missile inflight ( within a certain range/time though )

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Consipiracy theory :

Assuming Pakistan will buy more chinese radars now, how likely it is that China will put a backdoor in those systems to give false alerts on command? I mean if China wants India to be nuked, why do it yourself? Give Pakistan Missile, nuke and Radar. When you want to nuke, sabotage hotline and show multiple Pakistan bound missiles on Pakistani air defence and detection systems. Pakistani will go ape and might just end up launching few nukes on India. India goes ape next and launches nukes on Pakistan. Hilarity ensues and continues except for Indians and Pakistani, who are now suffering worst kind of horrors that humanity has ever seen.

Heck after this accident, It may just show missiles moving in a direction parallel to Pakistan border and then make a sudden turn towards Pakistan after allowing 10 minutes to Pakistan to process the bad news. The moment news gets worse for Pakistan, it may just go ape!

Basically a cyber attack to destroy India via Pakistan. We know China likes to infiltrate using supply chains... so why not do so when you are supplying entire weapon and communication system...

Pakistan Army has built so many Mansions that they will never Go for Nuclear War

All military officers , politicians , bureaucrats and Judges have huge properties
Which they love much more than their country

So they desperately want to avoid escalation

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503292847239286788

 

[_Anonymous_]

Someone said multiple target coordinates are kept on the missile

Afaik they are not , multiple target coordinates are kept on the FCS which contains the mission planning suite , the selected coordinates are feed into missile together with reference data from launcher INS req to sync the missile INS and also set the true north , if launch relocates by 1 m and INS not synced again accuracy will suffer

I don't think missile can be fired accidentally

FCS won't allow it

Automated pre launch checks needs human intervention though minimal , won't release missile for launch unless every parameters meets along with the necessary human inputs

Afaik target coordinates upload to missile need accompanying go codes ( authentication ) , higher echelons authorise targets ( even among the pre-selected ones ) not the fellows associated with launch ( though SOP exist for emergencies )

Launch switch enabled afaik after 2 key authentication at 2 different consoles post successful completion of the automated pre launch tests

Plus self destruct mechanism on missile auto arms ~ 1 minutes post launch and starts listening for self destruct signal , the self destruct switch is also enabled simultaneously which if required can be pressed to destroy missile inflight

So what's your conclusion ? Btw - the notion that it was an accidental launch has been dispelled a long time back out here . I wonder why are few members lingering on it . It's either the missile veered off course due to a malfunction or it was deliberately fired to take out a target. I'm veering towards the 2 nd scenario.

 

[Paro]

Yes.

You do realise that this sends up the possibility of unintentional nuclear war by a significant amount.

In future, any Brahmos attack, any attack by a fast-moving missile moving at nearly Mach 3 must be considered nuclear until proved otherwise.

That means that they will have NO option but to launch nuclear devices immediately on detection

It isn't about 6 to 7 minutes. Once they learn that something is coming their way, they may go into response mode. How does it matter if their launch takes place eight minutes after detection of our missile, rather than 4?

They wont do shit even if we launch an armed version on them this minute.

Firstly, unlike the Pakistanis we have a clear difference between conventional and strategic weapons. Have you ever seen any credible source mentioning brahmos as a nuclear weapon. By your logic even a tomahawk could be when Americans launched by hundreds some of them landing on Pakistanis cities.

Secondly all of Pakistanis SFC c&c is provided by the Americans. Infact some of indian c&c comes for the Americans too. Thats why Americans know more about Pakistans nuclear capability and locations then we do i guess. It will take them ATLEAST half a day to prepare their nukes for war, its not their slow reaction speed or incompetence but by design.

Nuclear deterrence isnt a deterrent anymore the minute they launch one. Is anything PA prefer to survive and movr their families to Western countries more than loosing a war with India.

You should spend sometime away from PDF before you turn yourself into a zombie.

 

[Hydra]

Someone said multiple target coordinates are preprogrammed on the missile

Afaik they are not ( way points are different things ) , multiple target coordinates are kept on the FCS which contains the mission planning suite , the selected coordinates are feed into missile together with reference data from launcher INS req to sync the missile INS and also set the true north , if launch relocates by 1 m and INS not synced again accuracy will suffer ( single target coordinates can be preprogrammed but still INS sync will be required before launch )

I don't think missile can be fired accidentally

FCS won't allow it

Automated pre launch checks needs human intervention though minimal , won't release missile for launch unless every parameters meets along with the necessary human inputs

Afaik target coordinates upload to missile need accompanying go codes ( authentication ) , higher echelons authorise targets ( even among the pre-selected ones ) not the fellows associated with launch ( though SOP exist for emergencies )

Launch switch enabled afaik after 2 key authentication at 2 different consoles post successful completion of the automated pre launch tests

Plus self destruct mechanism on missile auto arms ~ 1 minutes post launch and starts listening for self destruct signal , the self destruct switch is also enabled simultaneously which if required can be pressed to destroy missile inflight ( within a certain range/time though )

There is report that only strategic missiles like agni, prithvi have self destruction mechanism. Brahmos dont have. @vstol Jockey is that true?

 

[Paro]

Someone said multiple target coordinates are preprogrammed on the missile

Afaik they are not ( way points are different things ) ,

That was me, i just went with the print article i was wrong there i guess.

 

[hellbent]

So what's your conclusion ? Btw - the notion that it was an accidental launch has been dispelled a long time back out here . I wonder why are few members lingering on it . It's either the missile veered off course due to a malfunction or it was deliberately fired to take out a target. I'm veering towards the 2 nd scenario.

Imo it could be anything but accidental launch

Rest is in the realm of speculation

Anyways just for the sake of discussion if it was a malfunction ( assuming from point of 90 degree turn ) , its likely it must have been a malfunction of nav system , the space / time references should have degraded proportionally ( if missile physically ok ) in that case imo it should have dived to ground near or close to border from either side

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

So what's your conclusion ? Btw - the notion that it was an accidental launch has been dispelled a long time back out here . I wonder why are few members lingering on it . It's either the missile veered off course due to a malfunction or it was deliberately fired to take out a target. I'm veering towards the 2 nd scenario.

The video you posted clearly shows it was some factory like property belonging to Hafiz Sayeed or some other Terrorist

They are all the same , LET or JEM or whatever

The Global Noise surrounding the Ukraine Russia war ensured that this story just dies out quickly

We needed to know about their SAMs and they Needed to Know that we can hit anytime anywhere we want

Basically we caught them with their pants down

Our HUMINT in Pakistan is doing very well if we know that a random factory is a Terrorist Hideout

 

[hellbent]

Literally every missile has self destruct mechanism

Akash is a short range Sam , even it has it

 

[_Anonymous_]

The video you posted clearly shows it was some factory like property belonging to Hafiz Sayeed or some other Terrorist

MO is the same . Nobody was allowed in the vicinity for 2 days . Even if we give them the benefit of doubt that they were scouring the area for debris of the missile to salvage whatever they could , 2 days seems a lot of time . Unless you wanted to dispose something or some people & sanitize the area thoroughly.

Let's see if there's a major terrorist incident in a couple of months . That's the only way they'd retaliate as of now . They could resume their usual covering fire activities on the LoC though , their financial troubles notwithstanding.

 

[Paro]

Literally every missile has self destruct mechanism

Akash is a short range Sam , even it has it

I have a question. How does a missile communicate with the launcher for abort code or anything traveling a mark speed? Isnt it 100 miles away by the time a about signal is given?

 

[hellbent]

I have a question. How does a missile communicate with the launcher for abort code or anything traveling a mark speed? Isnt it 100 miles away by the time a about signal is given?

It depends on the category of missile

Like Akash will self destruct automatically if it fails to detonate via target , also post launch it can be asked to self destruct within a given range/time ( which imo wont exceed beyond the mid course update point ) ie self destruct via command is limited to a certain range/time for a specific missile

There much be a clear line of sight for the missile to receive self destruct signal , either via ground sensors or offboard sensors , difficult to tell specifically , bec such info is not released especially for strategic missiles

Eg ASAT had DL antennas for communication with ground based sensors , posted it in my Twitter , don't know if it's still there or deleted it

 

[_Anonymous_]

It depends on the category of missile

Like Akash will self destruct automatically if it fails to detonate via target , also post launch it can be asked to self destruct within a given range/time ( which imo wont exceed beyond the mid course update point ) ie self destruct via command is limited to a certain range/time for a specific missile

There much be a clear line of sight for the missile to receive self destruct signal , either via ground sensors or offboard sensors , difficult to tell specifically , bec such info is not released especially for strategic missiles

Noob question - why do you need SAMs & AAMs with self destruct mechanism ? They'd run out of fuel anyway in a short span of time as compared to CMs & BMs plus they don't carry a strategic payload .

 

[bonobashi]

I am Very interested in seeing you leave India

Because You Love Pakistanis Far too much

I know you are 70 plus and cannot change at this age

But reading your posts on PDF makes me say that you Have Redefined " Shamelessness and Sycophancy "

Really? Just because I am not a cur licking the feet of bigots, you have the temerity to call me these things? Where are you when I am up against the whole ravening pack of kiddies baying for Indian blood? Hiding safely somewhere, and commenting as bold as brass where you have to face nobody but me?

Talk of shameless!

Noob question - why do you need SAMs & AAMs with self destruct mechanism ? They'd run out of fuel anyway in a short span of time as compared to CMs & BMs plus they don't carry a strategic payload .

What happens when an HE payload lands next to a civilian?

 

[hellbent]

Noob question - why do you need SAMs & AAMs with self destruct mechanism ? They'd run out of fuel anyway in a short span of time as compared to CMs & BMs plus they don't carry a strategic payload .

Sams if they malfunction can threaten own assets on ground , so best to destroy it in air

Same could be for aam ( eg if launched at mad dog mode and ending up at tail of own aircrafts lol )

Best to keep a goto option if things go awry