I don't think AAMs come with a self destruct option do they ?Sams if they malfunction can threaten own assets on ground , so best to destroy it in air
Same could be for aam
Best to keep a goto option if things go awry
I don't think AAMs come with a self destruct option do they ?Sams if they malfunction can threaten own assets on ground , so best to destroy it in air
Same could be for aam
Best to keep a goto option if things go awry
I don't think AAMs come with a self destruct option do they ?
On what do you base this? Are you saying that armed missiles can be launched and there will be no retaliation?They wont do shit even if we launch an armed version on them this minute.
The Brahmos web-site? Have you seen it? It clearly mentions that the warhead can be conventional or strategic.Firstly, unlike the Pakistanis we have a clear difference between conventional and strategic weapons. Have you ever seen any credible source mentioning brahmos as a nuclear weapon.
The connection escapes me.By your logic even a tomahawk could be when Americans launched by hundreds some of them landing on Pakistanis cities.
As far as I know, the Americans have tried but failed to get control over their procedures. If you know better, do you have a source?Secondly all of Pakistanis SFC c&c is provided by the Americans. Infact some of indian c&c comes for the Americans too. Thats why Americans know more about Pakistans nuclear capability and locations then we do i guess. It will take them ATLEAST half a day to prepare their nukes for war, its not their slow reaction speed or incompetence but by design.
You don't seem to get the point. If they detect a missile coming their way, they have no way of knowing if it has a warhead or not; very few people will come to the conclusion that a missile has been launched at them without a warhead. They also have no way of knowing if it is conventional or strategic.Nuclear deterrence isnt a deterrent anymore the minute they launch one. Is anything PA prefer to survive and movr their families to Western countries more than loosing a war with India.
There is no need for avoiding an answer by making personal remarks.You should spend sometime away from PDF before you turn yourself into a zombie.
The point is that it is unpredictable; it has become unpredictable. Now they have to decide if there is a nuclear warhead on that missile or not. They have to decide and react.
You have a point, if you are saying that by the time a missile from India lands, there will not have been enough time to launch their own missile, although my own impression is that they have systems that can be activated in minutes, not in hours.Because they will know the reality of the missile. If it were a conventional or a blank, they will likely not use nuclear bomb. Assuming they want to live. A Launch on Launch kind of response that existed between russia and usa will not happen here because simply there is no time to launch while other missile has not yet landed.. They will have more information to make a bigger decision.
But then since there is no time, there is no time to re-verify any kind of reading. So, chances of errors are also high. You may see a civilian airlines getting shot down just because Pakistani or Indian air defence thought something looked like a supersonic missile.
My problem with jingoistic guys here is that they are never to be found when jingoistic guys of the other side have to be countered. Then these heroes are usually under their beds.Well whatever our jingoistic guys here , we can just ignore it.
Because your point is valid.
May be it was a intentional strike or just a misfire only.
But the point is there is an unpredictable situation in here.If it was a strike and Pak officials are tries to cover it then it means they were doing some real nasty work there.
Our methodology and over reliance on Brahmos kind of weapons is bit uncomfortable.
Picking up from your last line, the danger is that the only hot line, a direct line that goes straight to a decision-maker from his counter-part, exists only between the two DGMOs. NOT, afaik, between the air force and naval equivalents.It was and has always been unpredictable. This one just adds more doubt and makes Pakistan's work harder. Good thing is time to react is small so most likely they will know that missile has hit and this is the damage before going for a reaction. Bad thing is time to react is low so they may react massively even on a false alarm.
Hopefully a hotline always exists and remains manned to avoid any misunderstanding. I think there is one.
Our methodology and over reliance on Brahmos kind of weapons is bit uncomfortable.
Can we trust the Chinese not to do this, considering their behaviour on the ground in recent months?Consipiracy theory :
Assuming Pakistan will buy more chinese radars now, how likely it is that China will put a backdoor in those systems to give false alerts on command? I mean if China wants India to be nuked, why do it yourself? Give Pakistan Missile, nuke and Radar. When you want to nuke, sabotage hotline and show multiple Pakistan bound missiles on Pakistani air defence and detection systems. Pakistani will go ape and might just end up launching few nukes on India. India goes ape next and launches nukes on Pakistan. Hilarity ensues and continues except for Indians and Pakistani, who are now suffering worst kind of horrors that humanity has ever seen.
Excellent point.Heck after this accident, It may just show missiles moving in a direction parallel to Pakistan border and then make a sudden turn towards Pakistan after allowing 10 minutes to Pakistan to process the bad news. The moment news gets worse for Pakistan, it may just go ape!
Basically a cyber attack to destroy India via Pakistan. We know China likes to infiltrate using supply chains... so why not do so when you are supplying entire weapon and communication system...
You have a point, if you are saying that by the time a missile from India lands, there will not have been enough time to launch their own missile, although my own impression is that they have systems that can be activated in minutes, not in hours.
However, surely the point has occurred to you that we in turn will have no way of knowing if a reactive strike from the other side is armed or not, if armed, if it has a conventional warhead or a nuclear one. We already know that they have focussed on tactical nuclear weapons, and it is inconceivable that they have not tested it on their missiles.
It's about one moment of panic - on either side - leading to nuclear disaster.
My problem with jingoistic guys here is that they are never to be found when jingoistic guys of the other side have to be countered. Then these heroes are usually under their beds.
It is difficult to do it by command, considering the distances, the reliability of signals over those distances, and the added complication of designed evasive manoeuvres in some cases. Self-detonation by time lapse is the preferred method.I doubt it ie via command ( not sure , info not known to me ) but will self destruct if not detonated via target ( to prevent salvage by hostiles )
Very well articulated.They will have their own audit now and whatever it takes they will do something for defence and since their window for response of Brahmos kind of system is minimal ,next time they will overreact to anything that resembles to a missile blinks in their radar .
Not good at all
We wont Rely only on the Brahmos when we have to go for a real strike
It will be a Combination of Brahmos ,Rudram , Shaurya and Nirbhay to take out their Air Defences
They will have their own audit now and whatever it takes they will do something for defence and since their window for response of Brahmos kind of system is minimal ,next time they will overreact to anything that resembles to a missile blinks in their radar .
Not good at all
And all those advantage will neutralize if we consider the time variant.They will have to bring out their Missiles and keep them ready for Firing by integrating the warheads
It is a good thing for our ELINT assets and more over our HUMINT assets too can bring more information to supplement the ELINT gathered by the satellites
My friend the problem is why we have so much itching for a war with Pakistan.
Did you see what is happening to Russia?
We can learn a thing or two from Chinese in this regard.
No matter what ever sophisticated technology we are using on field there will be some definite drain in our resources we cannot invade another nation even if we have absolute self reliant in defence .
Fortunately our Govt now knows it .
Unlike the jingoistic nationalistic approach like last they did in Balakot , this time it was bit mature (only if it was strike.)
I believes it was an attack because there wont be any chance for multiple SOP and system failure .
We have to be smart.
After all these mess they made for Russians by scapegoating Ukranians , you still have the audacity to trust that Western Bald Eagle .We dont have to Start a War
We have to Only Retaliate to provocations
And Pakistan will keep provoking India.
US has been humiliated by Pakistan inside Afghanistan
They will infact help us because US wants Revenge from Pakistan
And all those advantage will neutralize if we consider the time variant.
Suppose if we have a genuine misfire in future and went to Pakistan .Things will easily went down to south .
Pakistan as a nation dont have any better thing to do instead of K word and attention seeking .
They are damn for it .
After all these mess they made for Russians by scapegoating Ukranians , you still have the audacity to trust that Western Bald Eagle .
US wants profit, big chunk of profit and a throne to rule the World .Nothing more nothing less.
They want Pakistan
yes Brahmos does not have self destruct mechanism. It seems that the missile had full fuel in it and that fuel exploded which resulted in the kind of destruction we saw in some videos. The warhead not only has lots of explosives but also other material like iron balls etc to cause huge damage.There is report that only strategic missiles like agni, prithvi have self destruction mechanism. Brahmos dont have. @vstol Jockey is that true?
Wrong!!!!There is report that only strategic missiles like agni, prithvi have self destruction mechanism. Brahmos dont have. @vstol Jockey is that true?