We learn analysis in engineering, it is to reduce complex systems into an essential simple one to understand it and its constituents. No one can understand all the complexity of something like a modern electronic equipment say a laptop.. but if you know what its components are, what are the interfaces, you can understand where things can possibly go wrong. How do you think engineers analyse failures otherwise?
Indian supersonic missile reached Mian Channu in Pakistan : ISPR
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You are talking about irrelevant stuff.
The launch sequence is manual, not automatic. And the console will give you 101 reasons to stop a launch. To launch a missile you need to enter the correct inputs at the correct time in a sequence. If you don't, the control system itself will shut down the launch sequence on its own and go into cooldown mode.
Even if you 'accidentally' launch it, which is impossible, you can still control where it goes. It's a CM, not a BM.
@bonobashi dropped by....heh....and old comet causes concern for this friendly planetary system
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No nuclear power would put a large degree of their arsenal in hair-trigger alert over such incidents.
The Americans and Soviets didn't (over far more frequent and serious incidents)....
They would maybe wargame and adjust their survivability a notch (if any new info/evidence gleamed)....but brahmos parameters were long known to Pakistan already for that...regarding times and how to develop+organise a robustness against a first strike salvo worst case scenario.
That is all baked in now for most part....and would include actual scenarios between this kind of incident and a worst case scenario.
That too whatever the number in this worst case scenario of what is the % of indian warheads of this payload size + volume (on a brahmos) that India has elected for to begin with.
I very much doubt they will change their equations and analysis over this past what they already are.
What they say above the currents and how that then percolates and disseminates in low-IQ toxic cesspools of every variety of hypocrite complex and conspiracy theories...is another story. That is not a wise analysis to rely upon in any degree.
The Soviets knew very well what LeMay was feeding into JFK's ear (as just one example).....that was with a 10:1 advantage too...not something approaching 1:1. It didn't change Soviet deployment strategy....neither did American one change after that close call in the 80s with the faulty soviet satellite sensors...though the parity was equal at that point approximately.
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No nuclear power would put a large degree of their arsenal in hair-trigger alert over such incidents.
The Americans and Soviets didn't (over far more frequent and serious incidents)....
They would maybe wargame and adjust their survivability a notch (if any new info/evidence gleamed)....but brahmos parameters were long known to Pakistan already for that...regarding times and how to develop+organise a robustness against a first strike salvo worst case scenario.
That is all baked in now for most part....and would include actual scenarios between this kind of incident and a worst case scenario.
That too whatever the number in this worst case scenario of what is the % of indian warheads of this payload size + volume (on a brahmos) that India has elected for to begin with.
I very much doubt they will change their equations and analysis over this past what they already are.
What they say above the currents and how that then percolates and disseminates in low-IQ toxic cesspools of every variety of hypocrite complex and conspiracy theories...is another story. That is not a wise analysis to rely upon in any degree.
The Soviets knew very well what LeMay was feeding into JFK's ear (as just one example).....that was with a 10:1 advantage too...not something approaching 1:1. It didn't change Soviet deployment strategy....neither did American one change after that close call in the 80s with the faulty soviet satellite sensors...though the parity was equal at that point approximately.
Let me ask one simple thing, do you have any background in engineering? If yes, what it is?
Well, if they see one lone cruise missile, I doubt they will jump for launching nukes in peace time... Even if they were to, missile like Brahmos might hit before they can even open the silo hatch or erect the TEL. I will be more worried about air traffic though. They can shoot down an airline in hurry.
ok sir ji who dont you give us gyan on these complex stuff for poor uninitiated ppl like us.
what are these sequences, what is manual input , what are the inputs , what is the correct time, what is cool down mode, how missile can be controlled that is flying at 3.2 mach speed reaching its target in 5 mins. once the missile is out of line of sight , how is it controlled.
I knew storyteller would be in hot waters someday for the fact free BS or faction ( fact + fiction) he often subjects us to here . It's basically a surprise he's gotten away with what he has all along on so many occasions . It's a sad commentary on the standards of technical discussions out here. If this was BRF or Twitter, the ustads all veterans of OSINT would have stripped him off his pants & whipped him. All virtually, of course.
BTW, @Saaho there are multiple courses in engineering available online these days. Back in the day, when I graduated, there were engineering courses offered thru correspondence too.
In very clear words, I think it was a very very well planned strike against an HVT and to confuse Pakistan and the world opinion, the missile was fired without warhead to make it look convincing that it was a practice missile which got fired accidently. The warhead was probably replaced by additional fuel which on impact created nearly a thermobaric kind of explosion thereby completely destroying the target. The way the target has got demolished clearly points to an explosion like a thermobaric round. It was completed flattened and the debries were confined to the building complex itself and not striven all over. Just the way we see in controlled demolishion of buildings.
So till now both defence and political leadership have accepted the malfunction and highlighted the investigation to not only find the shortcomings but to take corrective action as well. So far so good.
Fundamentally, trouble is, he is trying to interpret chances of a missile launched into pakistan by mistake as chances of a mistake being responsible for the fact that a missile was launched into pakistan. These are fundamentally different things. This is why he is getting bogged down in all this complex processes etc. A first year course in engineering will cover this.
I knew storyteller would be in hot waters someday for the fact free BS or faction ( fact + fiction) he often subjects us to here . It's basically a surprise he's gotten away with what he has all along on so many occasions . It's a sad commentary on the standards of technical discussions out here. If this was BRF or Twitter, the ustads all veterans of OSINT would have stripped him off his pants & whipped him. All virtually, of course.
BTW, @Saaho there are multiple courses in engineering available online these days. Back in the day, when I graduated, there were engineering courses offered thru correspondence too.
P(A|B) =/= P(B|A)
This is why I asked him this question. There is no point in arguing if one cannot appriciate this fact. If something is very unlikely to happen following a cause, that does not mean if that thing has happened already the cause is very unlikely explaination of that thing. It may be just that thing itself is very very less likely to happen due to almost any cause.
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Yeah. I wonder if the Pakistanis will one day release their own theories about the strike.
But then, totally clueless people passing judgements on this thread now.
Dude, seriously... I don't need a degree or experience in any relevant field to tell you that a Premier Padmini is not capable of self-driving. But there are three people right now vehemently insisting that the Premier Padmini is capable of self-driving.
I can't argue with stupid. No one can.
But you guys are asking stupid questions because your knowledge comes from Hollywood, not actual science.
Read up on the link I posted earlier.
On a different forum, some Indians are trying to prove that it is not a planned launch because at command level, there is no VVIP authorisation required, apart from nuclear strike. And accidental launch is very much possible due to faulty circuit.
Good luck to their theories. But it's a manual process, nothing to do with circuits. I'd rather bet on aliens instead.
Brahmos launch is not automated, only SAMs are automated because of the low reaction time needed. But nobody in their right mind will automate the launch of an offensive missile. The dead man's switch applies here.
Only defensive weapons are automated. For offensive purposes, countries are still debating whether it should be done or not. It's part of the big AI debate. Right now, even the so-called unmanned systems are still remotely operated by humans. So an automatic launch is not just beyond the realms of possibility due to the design of the control systems, goes back to the Premier Padmini example, it's unthinkable.
If it wasn't an authorised launch, then worst case, we have saboteurs in our midst. Or aliens, definitely aliens.